DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns sign QB Case Keenum

Those numbers kinda confirm it, but the drop in Rodgers play has been noticeable to me.

IMO he’s one of the best QB’s of all time ... just a phenomenal player. But last year he didn’t seem to be at the same level.

Little Petey Warrick?

Agree - he's the perfect back up as he's good and will win games - not what I want in as a starter but good enough to step in for 3-4-5 games and play well. I think more than that - as we have seen when he is the starter - either defenses catch up or he starts to slow down.

I agree. And at his age, he could be a solid backup here for a very long time.

U best watch your step dawg ... ...

You should get Perfectspiral to join up to make it the perverZas.

I agree, and even if there is no QB competition and Bake starts the season, Fanski has no qualms about playing Case if Baker is slumping.

It's a healthy situation, IMO.

All QB's are going to miss throws just like receivers are going to drop some balls and backs are going to fumble.

It's just that when they do it too often you might need to try something else.

Looks like Case called out Mary Kay ... jesus, Mary Kay.

I don't think it was that bad of a question. I think you are an honest poster, so why do you think it was such a bad question?

"So...what's your name?" "My name is Mary Kay."

That was GREAT!

He's here to be a backup...everyone knows it...except the dingbat. I love the guy even more now.

Best answer to this is below. lol.

I think it was a question that is asked of almost all qbs who have had previous starting experience.

I think its a question that doesn't need to be asked. To me, it's a little disrespectful to ask about the known.

'Hey QB. You use to be a starter. How do you feel about being a back up now?'

It's kind of a slap in the face. Reports feel like they have every right to NOT be tactful anymore. Especially coming from Mary Kay, as she will be the first to block you on twitter for questions like these. I think there are a number of other questions a reporter could ask. ie What do you bring to the quarterback room? How do you think you can help this team on and off the field? How do you think you can help Baker?

Mark Kay and Grossi are always looking for a headline. They are self proclaimed Browns fans. It would be nice for once that instead of trying to tear the team down, they could behave in a manner that was more supportive. I know it's not their job to be supportive, and I know people will say it doesn't have any effect on the team, but I think it does. Their constant need for controversy is part of the stinking, losing black cloud of a culture that is the Cleveland Browns.

Baker was second in the entire NFL in interceptions. The only guy to throw more is out of a starting job. Baker's QB rating was 78.8, which was 31st among QBs.

Case Keenum rating was 91.3, which ranked 15th overall. He also played w/far less talent than Baker did.

I am not asking you to agree, but I don't think it was a dumb question.

Oh, before I get called a liar again, here is the link for the QB ratings: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm

I think the main differences between Baker and Case just from the eye test of watching them both play is Baker still has the chance to be a more dynamic player if he can continue to get better. He has the better arm and a more aggressive mentality when it comes to pushing the ball down the field. It's a feeling of if Baker can develop you can potentially win it all whereas with Case you can have solid seasons and a playoff appearance but no real chance to win it all. He's not dynamic enough.

There's a reason one guy went undrafted and one guy was the first overall pick in the draft.

Just my opinion.

Agreed - contrived controversy is the order for the day for most of the media and some posters. Everyone in the world - and most especially the guy who was asked the question - knows it was a sham question. You'd have to be a fool to try and argue anything else, most especially given the reaction Case gave.

I agree w/you.

I also think that Baker should be the starter! He could end up being a very good player. I do think this is a big year for him as far as defining his career, but again, I do think he should be the starter.

I just don't think it was such a bad question. It's what reporters do. Not asking you--or anyone--to agree. Just voicing my opinion.

i agree. Baker has to show the team that he can be the guy this year. I'm not saying that he has to be a 45 TD/6 INT type ..... just that he is starting to fulfill some of the promise he has.

I also agree that sports reporters ask that type of question of a former starter/now backup type.

IIRC, Mariota was asked "the backup question", and he said that he is in Las Vegas to back up Carr. Carr arguably had a better year last year than Baker did.

I never said it was a dumb question. I just think the question could have been asked in a more tactful manner.

As others have noted, seems like they are just looking for a good headline to get clicks.

Thanks for answering w/out resorting to calling me "a fool" like another poster did.

I agree w/ HBYT.

I think the intention of the question can be deduced from the wording/approach. If she sincerely wanted to know his role and for him to give more insight, then it's a straightforward question. "What's your role, how are you going to attack your spot/work with the team?"

Her question is worded in way that tells me she's fishing for a salacious quote. She's trying to get him to say something that sounds like he wants to be the starter. Because of this, I have no problem with Case's response. I also think it's a warning in the vein of "I know what you're doing... I'm not a dummy... knock it off."

How come you didn't use the QBR stat (which you've been using in other threads)?

Baker Mayfield's QBR: 52.4
Case Keenum's QBR: 43.5

Because last time I did--and it was on this thread-- one of you guys said that QBR was a manufactured stat created by ESPN.

How come you have to make this personal instead of just stating your opinions on the topic?

I do want to add that I never understood why people start sentences with "How come..." "How's come..." and especially "How come you..."

Say those to yourself a few times and you will

I've been laughing so hard since I read one particular post that I missed this: Case Keenum had a 43.5 QBR?!?!

Oh my, analytics at work.

I didn't think I was making anything personal, I'm sorry you took it that way. I was just curious. I had missed the criticism of your QBR posts. I view QBR as a much more complete stat than QB rating (which I consider a junk stat).

No worries. I'm just playing around, cfrs.

That is depressing...

Add them together and wee in good shape ...

I don't worry about last years ratings. All that counts is what is done whenever we get the distraction of the NFL back in action.

Last years O was screwed up from the start and never improved. Looking back, there was a disconnect between Kitchens and Monken from the get go. I am surprised Baker did as well as he did, and it wasn't good.

I like Baker. I wanted to draft him, but hey, if he isn't getting it done, Keenum is proven over several seasons. I have no problem handing him the keys at some point in the season. I also like the 3rd QB, name escapes me at the moment. I hope we keep all three.

I am a big proponent of keeping 3 QB's and having them active on game day. I think the active number has gone up with the new CBA, even if not, if anybody is going to benefit with being on the sidelines, it's the 3rd QB. He's on the head set. Listening to the coaches. He is there with the coach talking to the QB on timeouts.

He's there in the event your back-up gets hurt.

All teams have a "emergency" QB. I don't know who has held that designation of late. Maybe Jarvis? I know Cribbs was, and before him, Brian Brennan was the emergency QB. He played it in HS. Before that all teams had 3 QB's on the sidelines. A real qb was your emergency qb.

Not only that, I would always have a QB on the practice squad. It never hurts to have a guy who knows the playbook if he has to be elevated to 3rd string.

Garrett Gilbert I think. Had flashes in preseason and was impressive in the AAF. I was always sort of interested to see what we had in him. I'll also be glad if we keep him as our #3. (Doubt we offer anything to Stanton - assuming he's still around).

Agreed. I had stated near the end of last season to play him...

I like the fact that Keenum can run this offense, and do it well. Baker needs pushed. I hope he feels threatened even if he's not. He has the talent, I think he needs someone to keep the heat on him. What is nice, though, Keenum can win games if needed, and with the firepower on our offence, a capable vet should be able to succeed.

I just don't know if Case Keenum is a capable vet. He's pretty bad. Not Drew Stanton bad but maybe Tyrod Taylor bad.

I think he is better than that. I think you under rate the guy.

Don't bother posting up some stat. Stats aren't for losers, but in that sense, they don't always tell the tale.

Keenum is a pretty good QB. He is good enough to win games and not be the reason we lose games.

Pretty good? If Keenum is pretty good then what does that make QBs that are actually good? If you're a pretty good QB you aren't on four different teams the last four seasons. If Case Keenum is starting a game for you are more likely than not have the worst of the two QBs in that game.