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That is such old, tired BS. We keep making stupid hires...the problem isn't in the firing, it's in the hiring. It has nothing to do with the fans.

How many former Browns HCs have gone on to have success anywhere else as a HC? Romeo failed in his 2nd HC gig...Shurmur failed in his 2nd HC gig...Davis and Mangini never sniffed another NFL gig...Chudzinski is no longer even on a milk carton...Pettine was a last resort mistake...Hue Jackson...my goodness.

Blaming the fans for a HC firing with the Browns is beyond ridiculous.

A good head coach should be able to take the players he has and create a system to play to their strengths. Our problem is we get coaches/GMs that have inflated egos and want to get "their guys" and play to whatever scheme they're familiar with. Roster turnover ensues and we're stuck watching guys that look like they've never played football together.

If I owned the team, the first question I'd ask an incoming coach would be ... "How do you take the roster we have now and win?" And if their answer start with, "Well, first I'd look to bring in a new ...", then I'd probably cross them off the list.

I have no proof obviously but I think this is what McDaniels is seeing here. A tweak here and there, attitude changes and you have something possibly special.

And yet we had him out there yesterday in a game that could not have been less meaningful.

And Higgins was inactive.

We need more than a tweak here and there....our LB's are the softest in the league and plainly NOT very good. Our CB's are woos boys and make no impact plays. Very simply, the D is full of holes...

Only thing tweakable is the offense with some good olinemen and addition of Hunt.

Yet it has happened over and over again.



Yes we do. But that doesn't change the fact that every HC, every OC and Dc has their own system. Even a good hire will want to run his system. That will involve turnover in the roster and the fans whining about it.



Nobody is blaming the fans for the firings and hirings. The blame on the fans goes to the fact that even when they get what they want they will find a reason to complain about it. I guess you missed that part.

Chad Thomas, Jermaine Whitehead, Larry Ogunjobi, and Mack Wilson were among the worst at their positions in the league.

Ogunjobi disappeared this season.

how is it possible that scho could have graded below a 60?

he led the team in tackles #10 in the NFL
he led interceptions tied for #11 in the NFL.
he played solid all season.

Schobert was awful in coverage the first half of the season.

j/c...

But he is a bust according to a few posters who know who they are

But they will never admit it.

Larry O and Mack Wilson were simply not good for us this season. DT and LB are needs, but we have a lot of them

Denzel has skills, no one can doubt that. he needs some coaching (needs to get that head around and play the ball more), but idc how good a player is - if hes not on the field - hes not helping.

He needs to stay healthy.

I think highlighting a single stat (good or bad) is misleading, especially with our secondary. I think both Ward and Greedy will be fine, and this season will go a long way in their development. They took their lumps, like all do, this season.

Strength work for both

I thought Greedy played pretty well for a rookie starting pretty much straight out the gate... and who also, allegedly, couldn't tackle.

Dude tackled well for a guy who can't tackle. :-p

He literally whiffed on like 100 tackles against Joe Mixon.

Hes not a great tackler.

This reminds me of when Joe Carter and Cory Snyder were on the cover of SI.

If you take the effort of last game as your barometer of individual talent of this team, then you're looking at returning maybe 4-5 players.

He had 8 missed tackles to 47 combined tackles for a missed tackle rate of 14.5%

To compare, Jermaine Whitehead - who we ALL BLASTED as a poor tackler, had a missed tackle rate of 10.9%.

He needs to get better at tackling.

Poor ball skills too, not good in zone coverage. Not a good fit in Wilks schema, IMO. Ward, too. Both are better in man coverage, IMO.

LB is the glaring hole

This in spades ... lots and lots of spades.

Have the Browns ever had a formdible LB core?
That group looks very very uninspiring overall

Didn't Chip Banks, Clay Matthews, and Mike Johnson all play together? That was one of the best LBer trios I have ever seen. Mike Johnson was so underrated.

I never saw them play, but watching old films I cant believe how BIG the LBs are ... maybe it was just the shoulder pads haha, but the game was definitely a more smash mouth type game. MLBs were animals

The shoulder pads were big, bro.

I have a story for you. One of my fellow coaches and I went to a Brown's TC back in the day. There was this tackling drill where a LBer would pretend to be a running back and run laterally across the field. They had this huge mat behind the area where the guys ran. The next LBer in line would tackle the guy.

The coaching strategy is that you get your head in front of the guys legs, wrap, and lift. Even if you miss or the guy is way stronger, you trip him up because your head--and ultimately most of your body--is in front of the ball carriers legs.

Mike Johnson put on a show. He was going full freaking speed. He would hit, wrap, lift, and then pile drive the dudes into the mat. Even other players were hooting and hollaring. Marty loved that dude.

Here is another cool story. It might have been the same camp or maybe not. I can't remember for sure, but it happened.

The Browns were running 7 on 7 drills in the red zone. WRs and TE would be in line and corners and safeties would be in the opposite line. They were running fades to the back corner of the end zone. Webstar Slaughter was up. Felix Wright was the guy in coverage. Webstar comes off the line and Felix Wright delivers a two-hand punch to Slaughter's chin. Jacked him up real good! Webstar keeps running and catches a beautiful throw from Bernie in the back of the end zone. He manages to tip-toe and get both feet down. He then turns around and spikes the ball really hard and the ball comes up and drills Wright in the face. Players were going nuts. So were us fans. LOL

Loved that team!

When football was football - not this crap they play today.

How is WR a need???

Hammer, Training Camps were a totally different animal back in the day. They used to really go at it.

You know the weird thing........there seemed to be less injuries. I have some theories on that, but that is for another discussion on another day.

This might explain it?

I did a double-take on that as well...especially over S.

If Higgins doesn't come back, I suppose we would be relying on some unknowns at WR #3-x...even though I imagine we won't run a ton of 3WR sets.

How does this explain it?


Our top two wr's are coming off major surgeries.