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No one said Myles wasn't a difference maker.
Just that he's the only one. Ok My fault I misread the post forgive me ...
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It is going to be very interesting
If 2 qbs go off the board before 3 there is a excellent chance that 4 qbs go off the board before ten.
It would be a excellent draft with chase young at 5 and redskins have 3 number 1 picks.
That would mean that there are 4 tackles at 5 and Chase Young
WR there is no way 9 picks come and go without 1 wr being drafted.
In conclusion there will be a top tackle available at 10.
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Simmons has great LBer instincts..seems to always be around the ball and gets off blocks quick enough to make the tackle.
I found it interesting the way Clemson used him, lining him up deep..so deep that he played as a Safety, yet with his speed he was able to cover enough ground to be an effective LBer, still making stops near the LOS.
Special talent..but I doubt the Browns will be willing to pay the price to move up from 10 to get him.
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Simmons will probably be gone by the time we pick. We really have a desperate need at LBer due to the moves made and not made this off-season. So, I was thinking of who we could draft to play LBer. I want a guy who is good in coverage. Here is an article from PFF on this year's linebackers. Who stands out to you as a possible LBer who can cover? https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings-linebackers
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Simmons will probably be gone by the time we pick. We really have a desperate need at LBer due to the moves made and not made this off-season. So, I was thinking of who we could draft to play LBer. I want a guy who is good in coverage. Here is an article from PFF on this year's linebackers. Who stands out to you as a possible LBer who can cover? https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings-linebackers The top three LBs' are all pretty good in coverage. (Simmons, Murray, and Queen) The next best coverage LB is Willie Gay. Troy Dye is also good coverage LB too, but he is a terrible run defender and lacks playing strength.
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Thanks. Murray is the one that is a bit confusing. Some sites say he is good in coverage. Others do not. Here is what PFF said: 5. Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma
Draft Board Rank: 52nd
Murray is the type of linebacker that plays the game of football like they’ve been shot out of a cannon. That can get him in trouble at times with 50 missed tackles in his three-year career, but I’d rather teach a guy to tone it down than try to get one to speed it up. Murray is very much in the conversation for the most explosive linebacker in the country as he got home on some blitzes in the blink of an eye.
With all the athleticism in the world, it’s a wonder why he hasn’t been more of a playmaker in coverage over the course of his career. He allowed 82.4% of his targets to be completed in his time at Oklahoma and broke up only 4 of 102 targets with no picks. I will say that his read and react ability looked different down the stretch in 2019 as his processing speed took a noticeable step forward. He finished the year with 66 stops — fourth-most among linebackers in college football.
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I would love to have Patrick Queen I’d we trade down for pick #10.
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Simmons will probably be gone by the time we pick. We really have a desperate need at LBer due to the moves made and not made this off-season. So, I was thinking of who we could draft to play LBer. I want a guy who is good in coverage. Here is an article from PFF on this year's linebackers. Who stands out to you as a possible LBer who can cover? https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings-linebackers The top three LBs' are all pretty good in coverage. (Simmons, Murray, and Queen) The next best coverage LB is Willie Gay. Troy Dye is also good coverage LB too, but he is a terrible run defender and lacks playing strength.
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Simmons will probably be gone by the time we pick. We really have a desperate need at LBer due to the moves made and not made this off-season. So, I was thinking of who we could draft to play LBer. I want a guy who is good in coverage. Here is an article from PFF on this year's linebackers. Who stands out to you as a possible LBer who can cover? https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings-linebackers The top three LBs' are all pretty good in coverage. (Simmons, Murray, and Queen) The next best coverage LB is Willie Gay. Troy Dye is also good coverage LB too, but he is a terrible run defender and lacks playing strength.
jmho I actually would like to clarify my previous post keeping the top three the same, only I shouldn't have included Murray in top coverage LBers. I think that Queen is hands down the best Complete LB in the Draft not named Simmons who I will simple call the defender. Murray is a down hill LB whose talents lend themselves to the college game making splash plays, but overall he shows inconsist play when not making said spash plays, and he was a non factor in their PD. He has all the tools, but he is going to need time in transitioning to the League. A team who Drafts him is going to have to be patient,and the same with Willie Gay imo. The guy I am intrigued with is Logan Wilson, OLB/ILB, Wyoming. Give me OG Jonah Jackson and Logan Wilson with our two 3rd rounds selections.
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That was a good read. Thanks.
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Simmons might be my favorite LB coming out of the draft since Leighton Vander Esch.
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I wanted Aaron Curry too .. yikes. Lol but I think Simmons is a sure shot
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I don't know why but Queen has never been in my radar and I am ignorant on him as a prospect. Only the last couple of days have I heard him mentioned. So hard for me to speak of him.
Murray reminds me of Peppers.
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For a number of reasons I have been almost completely out of this draft.
I just started to look at a couple of players.
Simmons really stands out. My comparison Sean Taylor.
Bucky Brooks made an interesting comment the other day. When he said "if Simmons was there at 10 the Browns would have to take him. He is one guy who could neutralize Lamar."
The article makes perfect sense. Simmons game translates to the NFL today. Offenses are always looking for matchups. Simmons is the type of player that is never mismatched.
I would love to get this guy.
It will be interesting to see how the Browns handle the first round.
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Random thought/prediction; Simmons is special, not so much because his skill set is unique, but because of his ability to apply that skill set so flexibly within a defensive scheme. Like Taysom Hill, others with the same skill set see how he plays and imitate. 2-3 yrs from now, we will be talking about Simmons-type players.
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I don't know why but Queen has never been in my radar and I am ignorant on him as a prospect. Only the last couple of days have I heard him mentioned. So hard for me to speak of him.
Murray reminds me of Peppers.
jmho The problem with those down hill type players in college, like Murray and Peppers, who made the majority of their splash plays attacking the LOS ... is the fact that they will be asked to do many more things in the scheme of the defense that does not play to their strengths of attacking the LOS the majority of the time. Some of these liabilities of inexperience can be overcome if the prospects have the physical attributes, but their physical attributes are no guarantee, nor an indication of mental processing and football IQ going forward. That is the risk incurred in drafting players whose skill set is not a good transition to the next level. The perception is that that they will make simular plays at the next level, but the reality is that know body knows for sure, because there is a lack of evidence of a body of work from which to project. To me Murray falls into the boom or bust moniker.
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We have a serious problem and his name is Lamar Jackson...
I have been in the mindset of drafting a LT at 10 all along but my thoughts around that have started to change. LT is the obvious need but I do believe trying to stop Lamar twice a year and possibly the playoffs outweighs our need for a top of the first round type LT. We did beat him once last year but in the other game he could of ran for 300 yds if he wanted to.
I'm not opposed to drafting Simmons at 10 and I may not be opposed to moving up to get him....he is the ideal player to counter Lamar - top end speed, sure tackler and he can shed and explode through gaps...
Simmons may be more impactful than a top Lt in terms of winning the division we play in.
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I agree w/the thought of stopping Lamar ... but we also have to block Watt, Bush, Minkah, etc too. They expose the crap out of poor OTs
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Agreed, but what's the drop off between Simmons and the next guy, and the top 4 LT and the next level.
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It's why you almost always draft BPA. Of course, there are exceptions, such as if a WR is your highest remaining player, but if it comes down to Simmons and one of the LT's, I think you have to draft your highest rated guy.
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The more I look at this draft. The more I want Simmons.
With Schobert gone and safety a question mark. The Browns need a player like Simmons.
My take is if we can get Simmons we have other options to land a LT. A trade for Williams. Or, a move to land the 5th, 6th or 7th available LT.
Josh Jones, Austin Jackson, or Ezra Cleveland are all possibilities. I am just going off LT prospect rankings. Have not looked at any tape.
Simmons is an impact specialist. A play maker with great versatility and a guy who can bring turnovers. In addition he could be a Lamar stopper.
I am always in favor of players who can change games. Make plays that turn games around. Simmons looks to be that type.
The Giants could very well take him at four. If so go to plan B. If he is there with pick 7. The Browns might have to consider moving up to get him. If there at ten IMO. You gotta take this guy.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Best post of the year vers.
That said if Simmons could just shut down the other teams tight end we win 3 more games putting us in the playoffs.
Playoffs first game he shuts down Travis Kelce we double tyreek
and put ward on Watkins Browns win that game because KC could not stop the run.
This of course is the fan in me speaking but it illustrates the upside of simmons
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If Simmons is there, you take him. He might be the best player in this draft. Then sign Williams. Get a safety in round two, and don't look back.
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Ok so if he is there at 7 do you jump up and trade a 3rd to get him? I would in a heartbeat 
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yep - if that is all it costs. Doubtful, though.
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If Simmons is there, you take him. He might be the best player in this draft. Then sign Williams. Get a safety in round two, and don't look back. Each day, I am more and more in the mindset of getting Simmons. As others have said, he is a difference maker. And would be a huge asset to have to try and neutralize Lamar. Does this mean we need to acquire Williams to play LT? That would cost some capital (draft pick(s)/player(s)). Peters would not cost capital but doesn't have the shelf life of Williams. Getting Simmons might also cost some capital, no guarantee he falls to 10. But what a get he would be.
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yep - if that is all it costs. Doubtful, though. Thats not a big jump altough they could ask for a 2 or maybe a 3 and 5
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My thought on Simmons is he either falls to us at 10, or we take an OT. Trading for Trent Williams might change my mind about that.
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The Draft Chart Has #7 and #10 as a 200 point difference our first 3rd has a value of 230
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My thought on Simmons is he either falls to us at 10, or we take an OT. Trading for Trent Williams might change my mind about that. I am probably leaning this way too with us needing that LT ...
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I think people are going to be very disappointed if they think we will be able to draft Simmons.
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Ok so if he is there at 7 do you jump up and trade a 3rd to get him? I would in a heartbeat If he's there after the Giants pick at four, the phones will be ringing off the hook for the next three teams.5. MIAMI wants their QB - no go. 6. CHARGERS are a possibility, especially since Miami will take their choice at QB 7. PANTHERS - I've said since the beginning that there is no way Simmons gets past Rhule at 7. I doubt that they would trade out. In any event, supply and demand kicks in and these three teams will demand a lot. I doubt if you get there with less than a 1st round swap and your 2nd round pick... that may not even be enough. I would start working on the Chargers now. With the 10 pick they still get their QB... I would offer my 3rd round (no 41) and Kareem Hunt. If the Giants take Simmons you have your pick of OL, BPA or the bevy of offers once teams get itchy for a certain player. This works for the Chargers because their QB will still be there @ 10. Carolina (7) has Bridgewater, Cards (8) have Murray, and Jax has Foles and Minshew and need serious help on the Oline and Dline.
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Kareem Hunt is not under contract.
If the Chargers want a QB why would they screw around and not take him at seven?
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The interesting thing at #4 is the Dave Gettlmen factor. In the past two drafts, he has taken a RB and QB with their first pick. Does he go OT to further protect and justify the prior picks and surround them with line help to possibly benefit both players? Don't forget, he traded for Zeitler.
I also think the LB is losing its value for many teams in the NFL, but I wouldn't believe that Gettleman would be a part of that thinking. He's a "Good Ole Boy", "Trust Your Gut" kinda GM.
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Because they get assets and the QB will still be there at 10.
Forgot about Hunt's situation, at what point can we trade him?
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