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I would actually argue that you are doing that. Its funny, on Social Media I have seen countless post about looting and rioting, saying how awful it is, yet no a single one of those people voiced opinions on the actual problem, that police officers are targeting people of color.

Agreed. Mr. Cooper handled the whole incident like a boss!

AND his interview today? Kudo's to the man. I won't have the words exact, but along the lines of "I'm not dismissing racism, but I don't feel her life should be torn apart over it.".....something like that, anyway.

Kudos to him.

J/C

Am I the only one that noticed the ones complaining about the looting and rioting ALSO complained about Colin SILENTLY taking a knee...…

It seems to me, that some just don't want to hear the message, no matter the way its spread.

And I say this, fully knowing I stated at the time I disagreed with Kap.

I kneel with him today.

Satire from The Onion.

Protestors Criticized For Looting Businesses Without Forming Private Equity Firm First

MINNEAPOLIS — Calling for a more measured way to express opposition to police brutality, critics slammed demonstrators Thursday for recklessly looting businesses without forming a private equity firm first. “Look, we all have the right to protest, but that doesn’t mean you can just rush in and destroy any business without gathering a group of clandestine investors to purchase it at a severely reduced price and slowly bleed it to death,” said Facebook commenter Amy Mulrain, echoing the sentiments of detractors nationwide who blasted the demonstrators for not hiring a consultant group to take stock of a struggling company’s assets before plundering. “I understand that people are angry, but they shouldn’t just endanger businesses without even a thought to enriching themselves through leveraged buyouts and across-the-board terminations. It’s disgusting to put workers at risk by looting. You do it by chipping away at their health benefits and eventually laying them off. There’s a right way and wrong way to do this.” At press time, critics recommended that protestors hold law enforcement accountable by simply purchasing the Minneapolis police department from taxpayers.

https://www.theonion.com/protestors-criticized-for-looting-businesses-without-fo-1843735351

I think the cops murdered that man and should be charged with the crime of murder. These looters and rioters are also committing crimes and should be charged with the crimes they are committing.

Wow! How stupid. I am so mad I think I am going to just destroy my neighborhood. That is just plain ignorant.

The dog whistles in this thread are strong. You aren't the only one hearing them.

j/c...

I agree, but when you burn down blocks of a city, people change their minds.


This isn't like the 60's where black folk stood alone.


Somebody elected President Obama, and it wasn't just because of the black vote. More white people voted for President Obama then did black folk.


Yep, burn down the neighborhood. That accomplished a lot.
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Yep, burn down the Target, loot it, now they leave and you don't have a store.


Way to go, you made things better for sure.

Because A is wrong does not make B or C right.

In this case all are wrong, and should be treated as such.

I agree.


It started at A. It needs to end there. It should never go to B,C and D.

That doesn't help anything. It only hurts.

What is with the dog whistle comment ?

i agree .. B, C, and D end up hurting things more ... and then it leads to more A, B, C, and D

It's just rocket, the resident sjw.

I did not want to see the video. I heard the description of what happened, and that was awful enough. That is not how you are supposed to detain someone unless the circumstances are deadly and absolutely call for it. And shame on those other 3 officers who stood there and let it happen.

I have seen a lot of cops on social media calling this behavior out, and I am happy to see it.

This makes their job harder, and broadens the the gap of the relationship between the police and the communities they are supposed to protect.

I think all 4 men should be tried.

And shame on people who turned peaceful protesting into violence and destruction. And shame on the people on social media defending that behavior. As someone married to a first responder. When you burn a building down, when you destroy property. Fire and police have to respond. People can be hurt. Just because one guy lost his life due to awful circumstances, doesn't make it right for you to cause other losses of life. I don't care what your angle is.

I have also seen graphics and memes lumping this incident in with the incident recently in the news with the man that was shot to death in the street in Georgia. I would like people to keep in mind that those 2 men weren't police officers. The men were able to walk for almost 3 months with no charges brought upon them, but that was not due to the police not doing their job, that was due to the dirty politics involved with the local DA. I think people just want to lump that in because it sounds good.

I feel awful for that man's family. He didn't deserve to lose his life, and I am glad that it's being universally agreed upon that the officers involved should be put before a jury of their peers. It's shameful on their part.

I didn't. Kaepernick was fully within his rights and I feel he was blackballed for a good, peaceful protest meant to bring attention to certain events. The league was wrong with how they handled it.

Here, stealing and looting are making people in to criminals. The murder is an excuse for tons of people to steal. It is taking the attention from the murder and turning it to the looting. It's doing the opposite of good

I’ve had numerous state police officers who are friends post similar stuff ... I’m glad to see it. There’s a huge line between supporting your brother and knowing what’s morally right of course

And they have all said the same thing. He was fine. He stopped resisting. You had 3 other officers there. This cop has a bad track record too. There should be an investigation into his past and why nothing was done. Maybe he should have been removed from the force prior to this even happening.

I watch a lot of LivePD. I think the officers on the show do a tremendous job, and it also shows the scum and garbage that they have to deal with. They are so good at keeping their cool and sticking with the task at hand. They have to detain people multiple times every single night. Honestly at this point, it should be clockwork on what you are supposed to do when you have to detain someone. This guy was on the force long enough. He's just an awful person.

A lot of the officers on the show have become celebrities a little bit, especially on twitter. A lot of them have been speaking out. I think that's great. They have the forum that most officers don't have, and that may allow those same officers to have the courage to come forward and speak out against this. It just shouldn't happen.

I hate it. I know a lot of cops. They are all great people who care about their communities. They have been attacked, spit on, shot at, etc, and they get up every day and do it again. This should anger all of them, because it makes their job harder. It makes the job more dangerous than it already is, and right now in 2020 it's pretty bad already.

Well said. I think any good police officer would watch that clip and be enraged.

I know it probably applies to every area of work, but it sucks when the BAD workers tarnish the work of the GOOD workers. It sucks that police officers get such a bad rap, especially from inner city areas (and if I were from there, I’d probably feel some of the same feelings)

I have nothing but respect for the men and women who are Police officers. I was brought up that way and have instilled the same in my children. I believe 99% of them do their job well and are good people. The video sickened me. It was an example of someone who should not have been a Police officer and will make the others job that much harder. My heart and prayers go out to George Floyds family. I can't imagine the grief they are feeling.

Agreed. This thug cop made every other cops job more difficult.




The rioting and looting also made every cops job more difficult. That statement in NO way takes away from what the cop did, by any means.

It sure did. This circling the wagons when "one of our own" does something this malicious has got to stop. It's for their own good.

I am so tired of hate filled people spreading their ignorance everywhere. Being in positions where they can hurt or kill others makes it even worse.

All the way around, it’s sickening. I’m losing faith in everyone at this point.

Some positivity...

Hundreds in the streets of Columbus.

Dunno.

Didn't make one.

The police station is on fire

Wow

This is just crazy

No police presence, no fire department, no national guard.
Multiple issues in Minneapolis and St. Paul

Protestors have broken into the Ohio Capitol bldg and are setting fires nearby. about 15 minutes old

Also, protest growing in LA, Phoenix and Denver

I remember.

You and I talked about it back then in the thread(s).

I told myself: "This is going to take time. Good folks aren't yet ready to hear this. Just keep talking."
Well... that was a good many years ago.

I got worn out.

I'm over 60 years of age, and have been sending this message since my early 20's. Even when My Pops was running our local Uniform Division with his badge on, 5 days/wk. I did it in local Indi papers, and later, online- in places just like this.

I tried talking about the origins of BLM at this web address, and was shouted down/drowned out by folks who weren't tryna hear me. For them, Kaep was a middling football talent who "disrespected our troops and flag," and BLM were a "domestic terror organization." I tried to speak openly and honestly about the origins of both, seeing as how I was ahead of the news curve on both. Those who took issue with me, chose to listen to sources other than me, presumably because the message they needed to hear at that time was easier to swallow/identify with than my posts. At any rate, their overwhelming response was:



It's been this way all along, willit. I was a kid when MLK marched across that bridge in AL. I was a young man in my early 30's when Rodney King was struck 52-56 times by 2-4 L.A. officers with batons. I was an older, middle-aged man when Eric Garner was choked to death after being stopped on the street for selling 'loosies' (individual cigarettes). And here I am again, 6 more years later, watching another thread like this grow, evolve... and eventually die. With another Fellow Human Being's life snuffed out.

With nothing ever changing.

Yet another- again.
After all the others... yet again.


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At this moment, I'd like to take a short break... and ask this rhetorical question of my fellow pound mates:
"How many times have you been pulled over/ticketed/questioned in your life?"

If your answer is 2 or 3, you're probably in the 'overwhelming majority' crowd.
If your answer is 4-6, you were probably a bit of a hellraiser in your younger days. The type of stuff that gets you the best cocktail party points, when juiced-up stories start gettin' shared.


Let me tell you about my life.


4 stops were my average per year from the time I turned 21, until I reached my early 30's. The number of stops decreased throughout my 30's, and finally stopped, only when when my hair started turning gray, early 40's.

(Profiling is real. Just like we've been telling you, all along.)

CLEMLIFE:
4-6 times per year when I was 21.
When I was 22.
When I was 23.
When I was 24.
when I was 25.
When I was 26...
...for almost 1/3 of the life I've now lived.

Every. F'kng. Year.
Like clockwork.
Year after year.
Because I don't look like the cop who's looking at me.

How many of you have experienced this as a regular feature of your lives?
Yeah- that's what I thought. Not very many of you.

I'd venture to guess that only Swish's and a scant handful of other Dawgs' Life Experiences come close- and you wonder why he and I speak as we do.

So ask yourselves: could you successfully make it through 30 copstops in 10 years?

You'd have to, if you wanted to live long enough to post on this website as Clemdawg- in May, 2020.
I'm not sure how many of you actually possess what it takes to have lived my life.

Because I wasn't just raised by My Parents.
I was raised... and trained.

Responsible, successful parents give their offspring the requisite survival skills to navigate life in the wild. Some parents need to give their babies extra training, if they are to be 'successful parents,' and raise babies who will not only survive, but also thrive.

**short break over.**


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It always happened when I was out-of-town. Why was that?

Local police left me alone because they knew me. They'd watched me grow up at the station, and knew what kind of person I was. In my home town, as I was growing up, Men In Blue were my extended family; my uncles. But truth be told: I was only 'safe' in my home town, and I was never truly worry-free even then. When I left the safety of Home, all bets were off. I had 2 or 3 encounters that still raise my heart rate whenever I think of them, some 25 years later. Truly sketchy close calls, with me unarmed (because why would a classical musician feel the need to walk around strapped?), and the other person outfitted with a 3 ft stick, mace canister, a set of cuffs, and a lethal weapon- 18 inches from his dominant hand.

willitevachange: In 2011, I fulfilled My Parents' wildest imaginings for their musically-inclined son: I performed on the stage of Stern Auditorium at Carnegie Hall. And I'm convinced that back in 1979, I came within 3-4 minutes from ever even knowing you, or seeing that incredible weekend in NYC. (If that older cop hadn't rolled up when he did- oh, my God....).

PTSD is something very real. Even now, I am concentrating on controlling my breathing cadence. It helps to control my pulse.

I am totally convinced that I survived those moments because I was taught to suppress my fight/flight response, control my breathing, answer in short, flat sentences, and make NO SUDDEN MOVES. Of any sort. Not ever.

In short: My Father trained me, and trained me, and trained me. Even when my eyes rolled.
Because he was a cop.
And because he was the father of a black son.


He knew The Truth. And he also understood his responsibility to his son.
Not everyone was fortunate enough to be raised by RLOne©. Folks who aren't trained in 'emergency situation response' are at a distinct disadvantage in on-the-street encounters with local constabulary.

Ask yourself: of your family and close friends, how many of them ever felt the need to:

1. know this sort of thing, and
2. feel it's important enough to drill it into the heads of their loved ones?

It's a right of passage in My Community.
If you know how, try to search this site's archives for a thread that was dedicated to 'The Talk.'

Spoiler: when Black Fathers sit their tween sons down for 'The Talk,' they aren't talking about 'the birds & the bees.'

They are training their sons to survive as adolescent/young adult Black Men in a world that sees them as perennial, existential threats.

______________________


I was OK with Kaep kneeling. I was OK with BLM, too.

Because I was OK with MLK. And Malcolm.
Because I was also OK with 'my glove-fisted Big Brothers' at the '68 Olympics in Mexico City. And Stokely. And Marley. And Richard Wright. And Ta-Nehisi Coates. And any number of dozens more of deep-thought Af/Am intellectuals who have spoken Truth, which has always placed them at the bleeding edge of that intersection of mortality/1A public discourse.

I'm OK with all of our voices singing out- in different keys, meters, modes, even languages.

Because the text hasn't changed since colonial times.

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So... welcome to my life, willit.

I hope this post of mine helps to further your exploration of some other Browns fan's "American Experience."

And in appreciation/acknowledgement of your post, I'll add this sentiment:






Thank you for hearing us.
Please add your voice to Our Righteous Chorus.
We need all of us in this.
And we need all The Good Cops on our side, as well.


p.s I don't usually write long-form epics like this any more at this site. I was inspired to do so tonight, because of what you shared with us. Please know that your voice is appreciated in this conversation.

I'll PM you

Just catching up on what’s going on ... this is just a tragic event IMO

Twitter gave President Trump a violence tag and warning on a tweet that said looting will be met with shooting.

I think the biggest atrocity amongst the looting is that everybody keeps breaking into these stores and stealing everything but Kirk cousins jerseys.

Anyone else want to say it with me? Now's your time. Take a stand.

Black. Lives. Matter.