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You know Belichick has to have his post Brady tactics in place. Maybe you just described one of them?

That's a thought-provoking issue. Perhaps an unrestricted movement of practice squad players back-n-forth or an increase to the roster of sorts...

Yea, but how would it be if we lost Mayfield, Chubb, OBJ, Myles, etc for several weeks, while Baltimore was lucky and didn't lose anyone. Or in the playoffs half the teams who were made up of mostly scrubs faced off against relatively healthy teams. There would be no credibility. Would be worse than having someone major out due to injuries.

But it may not even reach that point. College sports are now being affected a lot. NFL for sure is taking notice.

With the large number of people (players, coaches, etc) involved, I just don't see how they can pull this season off.

If one player, coach, trainer, etc. tested positive, I would think the entire team would need to quarantine for 2 weeks.

I wonder what would happen if a team had 5-6 players die from the virus. Would they get some special draft status?

Even if the NFL embraced a "The Game must go on!" mantra and position, the reality would have to include some kind of roster upkeep and allocation to compensate for COVID quarantine numbers. Still have enough to play is a necessity.

I wonder this morning what the bookies are thinking while football is all covered up with the variables.

Another is this: As a player, do I have the right to sign a waiver and declare myself as a player even though I have proof of confirmed exposure, that I accept the risk and will play anyway? This opens another can of worms completely. How long does exposure results last? Will you ever clear tests again?

Oh wow. I don't think any players will be dying from it.

Some players will want to sign a waiver and some players will want to protect their family, not to mention their parents. Players may not die but it's not unlikely that some parents of players may die.

This might sound loony, but when you join the army, you go away for months at a time, so why can’t NFL teams go into quarantine for the entire five-month season?

They could stay in close contact (via computers) with their families. I understand it would suck, but do they wanna play and get paid?

Just throwing that out there.

This is what I was thinking to. Once the season starts the teams would stay quarantined.

The good news is that AstraZeneca reports that they are currently conducting tests for a vaccine on humans which has so far proved successful in other trials. If it is effective on humans they have signed agreements for at least 400 million doses at first and have secured total manufacturing capacity for one billion doses so far and will begin first deliveries in September 2020.

I imagine that the NFL would make sure that they are at the front of the line.

Yup, it's just a deployment.
Easy peasy, and tens thousands of men & women do it every year for WAAAAY less money and with WAAAY more personal risk.

1. It is WAY too early to see any impact from the protests/riots. Give it three weeks.

2. One of the last organizations I'd take at face value in all of this is WHO. They have repeatedly and consistently been wrong before having to walk back proclamations.

3. Washing hands doesn't do anything when there are 21 other guys on the field with you all breathing heavily from exertion.

Fyi-

"The World Health Organization’s new announcement about COVID-19 was a huge mistake"

Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit] acknowledged that some studies have indicated asymptomatic or presymptomatic spread in nursing homes and in household settings.

More research and data are needed to “truly answer” the question of whether the coronavirus can spread widely through asymptomatic carriers, Van Kerkhove added.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/the-wor...m_campaign=4738

I don’t understand at this point why anyone would follow the WHO or CDC for guidelines. I know I don’t... I just do everything in my power to protect myself. Cloth masks when around any public, N95 masks when in enclosed public spaces, strict policies about coming and going from home including using the garage door instead of the front door, shoes off, clothes off, cleaning my phone or other objects that have been used while out, quarantining mail, washing hands well after any outside of home appearances, no one in my home except me and my girlfriend, small social circle and social distancing within that group... etc.
I don’t need the WHO or anyone else to tell me to protect myself. Do it all and you’ll know you’ve done everything in your power to protect yourself and your family.

It's hard to find comprehensive data*, but looking over several stories from the web search "Who is dying from COVID-19", it looks like the overwhelming majority of deaths are people older than 60, and most if not all of those under 60 had major health issues.

Young, world-class athletes have a near 0% chance of death from COVID-19, both because of their state of health, and their access to high-end health care. The possibility of pro football players dying are pretty much non-existent, let alone 5-6 players from the same team.

*There's lots of data on deaths, but little breakdown of correlation to other health conditions beyond 'other health conditions.'

The likelihood of death is relatively low for these players. Though obesity is a comorbidity. There’s a few linemen that fall into that category. The bigger thing is if a player gets it damn near the entire team will end up with it. Too many air-conditioned meeting rooms, too much physical contact at practice, etc. If even 20 of your 53 get ill they’ll miss 14 days minimum from the time of their sickness. Two games of playing with half a roster... how will that work?

They either quarantine teams for the entire season or I just don’t know how they play this year.

I don't disagree with you Portland, I was responding to the specific suggestion of players dying from the virus.

Also, there's a difference between fat OL who are still very physically active with healthy lungs, and a fat person who gets winded walking to the corner.

Well, it's always good to combine research with practical experience to get a full view of the picture. And no doubt that washing hands, by almost every account, is the best prevention to catching the disease.

But masks being over rated? Personally, I have to question that. According to WebMD more than 600 healthcare workers have died from Covid-19 nationally, and more than 450,000 health workers may have contacted Covid-19, even though that figure may be less than actual.

And what group of people are more conscious of washing their hands than healthcare workers? Not to mention that most of the ones on the front line are most likely not in the high risk age groups. If they are catching it and are probably the group that are most stringent washing their hands and wearing masks, then imo this thing is highly contagious and anything that can possibly protect you is worth considering.

Not to mention that almost all research says that after direct contact, catching it from someone sneezing or coughing is the 2nd most easiest way to catch it.

I agree, and I have season tickets. Just not sure if that is going to happen. I hope it does.

I have told my wife that if the teams do play without fans, we are still heading up to Cleveland at least a couple of time to watch on TV there. Spending nights in a Marriott Courtyard, attending the games is just a part of what I like to do. I am not going to totally give that up.

I am determined that in these trying times, I am going to make smart, safe choices, at least as safe as one can without heading down the rabbit hole for good, and try to lead a normal life as much as possible.

I can watch a game at a bar. If the bar does a poor job of providing adequate space, pick another that does. Watch the bar/restaurants cleaning procedures when a customer leaves. Are they spraying down or just wiping down with a napkin and that is that.

There is a little meat and 3 plate lunch diner I like to eat at 3-4 times a week for lunch. They do a really good job. Every other table, no salt and pepper on the tables. It is collected and wiped down in a bleach solution and kept under plastic on one of the tables not in use. They are taking the proper steps.

Be observant.

I know this discussion has been talked about a lot elsewhere but to be honest I haven't read it. So I will just ask a couple of things, if that's cool:

1) I agree that politicians, for the most part, suck. But does that mean everything they say is BS? Can some of them be right about anything, especially if it follows the advice of almost the entire scientific community?

2) For that matter, why even listen to them? They aren't the experts- the scientists are. And yea, some things the CDC and WHO have said are complete [censored], and some are contradictory. But if 90% of scientists agree on something, doesn't that say something?

3) If you are in a store and someone near you sneezes, wouldn't you feel a bit more comfortable if they had a mask on when they sneezed? Of if a loved one was there? What about you sneezing? Does it matter that you have a better chance of infecting someone like yourself because you don't have a mask on?

These are just some thoughts I had while reading your comments and was curious.

Unless they are going to start writing fines for not wearing masks, people will decide for themselves if they want to wear one or not.

Sometimes that decision is based on scientific evidence, sometimes it's just to not be the pariah in public, and sometimes it's just because they don't give a rats behind and are going to do what they want, how they want.

Much like the lock downs, there was not much enforcement, it was basically left to people to respect the request or not.

A lot of times, I think politicians use the fear angle to get the results they want, rather than the compassion and courtesy angle. You know, like the old saying, "You catch more flies with honey"

Of course it doesn't help when at first we didn't need masks and then we did, and then they might not really be helping, and then and then and then. When the message changes on a daily basis, it is hard to get compliance.

Shhhh, he's on a roll. Give it a minute and we'll hear how the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Don't tell him that around 40% of those afflicted with Coronavirus are asymptomatic and that taking people's temperatures only make people feel better about it. Those who are asymptomatic and have not yet shown symptoms can still spread the virus.

But I read just yesterday I think, from the cdc or who, that asymptomatic people aren't spreading the virus, but maybe they are. 2 different articles.

Yeah, pick one. How many times have you heard of a person that has a contagious disease that they can't spread? And what about those who will show symptoms but haven't yet?

No need to reply arch. I know you just want to argue while the virus is once again increasing in over 20 states.

Dude, I wasn't arguing - at all. I read that yesterday, that asymptomatic people aren't spreading it, and a few articles later they thought (cdc, or who) they were.

Wear masks, one says, don't wear masks unless you're sick another says. Then a day or a week later it changes again.

The distinction is supposedly in asymptomatic people who will never have symptoms vs asymptomatic people who will eventually have symptoms and become sick. The former, apparently/supposedly, do not easily spread the virus. The latter, still spreads it quite easily.

The information is mostly useless because you will never know who is who, or when because.... they don't have symptoms (not even a fever for the people to check at the front door).

So in none of those cases does it say asymptomatic people do not spread the virus. The only disagreement seems to be on how much they spread the virus.

Okay, argue all you want. I was agreeing with you, and listed why it's all confusing as hell. Carry on with knocking me any chance you think you can.

I don't do it "any chance I can". I choose my battles with you. And in case you missed it, which obviously you did, I simply summed up the point of the discussion in the articles you posted.

Cool I am all for $10,000 fines.

I don't want to get into this too much because it appears that a lot of the opinions are politically motivated. However, I will say that of course there is going to be conflicting information. It's a new virus. We don't have all the answers. We are trying to figure it out as we go.

I think the restrictions helped a lot. I think folks are not being cautious enough in these last 2-3 weeks. I think that when we don't have all the answers, it would be wise to error on the side of caution rather than be selfish and indulgent. I think we should put the interests of others ahead of own when it comes to situations like this one.