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CDC: Some people are drinking and inhaling cleaning products in attempt to fight coronavirus

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Orion Rummler
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The CDC released data on Friday from a survey commissioned to understand why more people have been calling poison control centers during the coronavirus pandemic.

What they found: Roughly 200 adults who responded to the survey in May said they intentionally inhaled disinfectants, washed food with bleach, or applied household cleaning products to bare skin to combat the virus — all of which are dangerous.

Fewer respondents reported drinking or gargling household cleaners and soapy water to fight COVID-19, or inhaling bleach and other cleaners.
Flashback: President Trump said in April that disinfectants may be used to treat coronavirus, which doctors quickly warned people against doing on social media. Trump later said that his comments had been sarcastic.

The survey did not address Trump's comments as a contributing factor.
Methodology: The opt-in online survey of 502 U.S. adults was conducted on May 4 by the Porter Novelli Public Services. The median age of respondents was 46 and 52% of respondents were women, while 63% were white. Respondents included all U.S. Census regions, with most from the South.

Survey responses were weighted to be nationally representative of U.S. demographics, but do not represent the U.S. population as a whole.
What's next: The CDC is collecting more data to understand some Americans' lack of knowledge when handling household cleaners, and plans to look more closely at demographics.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cdc-bleach-09fd3abd-f8ae-4f2c-a67a-5b2d3cc0ab2b.html

Thin the herd; disinfect the gene pool.

Of course, it is an early analysis, and robust numbers are difficult -- but that's good evidence for the efficacy of the lockdown.

We didn't learn in 2008, we aren't going to learn now.

I don't care what the fiasco or crisis is, STOP BAILING OUT COMPANIES.

and it's probably the same modeling skills that showed apocalyptic numbers by early April.

In other words, at best, it is likely one tenth that.

Probably the same modeling skills.... but it's not worth checking, of course...

Here is the March 22 paper from the same group:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040642v1.external-links.html?versioned=true

I don't doubt that it's had an effect; I question the magnitude, just as I question the early estimate of just how widespread it was.

With us just now hitting 2 million cumulative cases, I just don't see the 60 (or 80 in that second link) million number being valid. Yes, I understand exponential growth. No, I don't believe the natural path would have followed a purely linear exponential track; especially in a country as large and spread out as this one.

I think a lot of bigger cities would have been hit like NYC if we had not locked down. NYC got hit early and hard.

but they're too big to fail, purp! THEYRE TOO BIG TO FAIL!!!!

I completely agree, though I was under the impression from reading the title that top execs were giving themselves some of the bailout money. After reading the article, some took paycuts and that 874 million figure is from data prior to the pandemic.

The furloughs and layoffs of lower paid hospital workers sucks the big one. I know a lot of these people and they are hard working front line staff who don't deserve this type of treatment. They work short all the time and I don't see how eliminating positions benefits anybody.

Assuming an IFR of 0.006 (which seems to be the best result from the world average), there have been about 18M cases in the US thus far (based on 110,000 deaths).

That is what the 60M deaths are being compared to. So they think the lockdown roughly decreased the number of cases by a factor of 3 (maybe 4, in the model with 80M cases).

They say we would have detected 4.5M cases without a lockdown -- currently we've detected right about 2M, so that is a little more than a factor of 2 decrease (we would have missed more early cases, because our testing capability wasn't there yet).

So they are predicting roughly a factor of three change, not a factor of 30-40.

eh, ok... I can get with that, kinda, but it seems pretty damn weak and super cheesy to be claiming an extrapolated/projected success from an inferred/guessed at number just so you can boost your claim.

It's a headline attention-grabber, but really just an extrapolation built on an extrapolation.

j/c...

Whoda thunk it?

So we’re really gonna gloss over the fact that over 300k trump supporters are willing to sign a COVID waiver to go to a rally and hear about how it’s a hoax and overblown?

trump supporters

I'm angry and disappointed [which is an even worse emotion for me] that our president and his supporters are making this pandemic a political issue rather than a health issue.

As I said in another thread, my daughter tested positive today. She almost certainly caught it while working at her business. I have also talked about the risk to my wife because she is in health care and is at an advanced age. Trump and his supporters don't seem to care much about us. It's all a freaking political game to them.

Hope she recovers quick. A former colleague who now lives in another area of Alaska caught it and bedridden in her house for 14 days. She’s recovered and her lungs have cleared up.

Thanks. And sorry...I did not mean to make this thread about my daughter and wife. I'm just upset.

And it makes me sick that some folks are treating this as purely a political issue. It ain't political when it's "your" loved ones.

Maybe if everyone had that attitude, we would do a better job of combating the damn virus!

News Flash for you. Its a political game for the Dems as well.

I know.

What gets me is here in town is that 95% of people are great at having a mask on, yet the 5% who typically aren’t wearing masks aren’t Alaska Native. Alaska Natives have dealt with countless pandemics and yet here we have people going on and on about oppressive government while not recognizing the history of how pandemics have impacted Alaska Natives.

Idiots. I share your feelings on this one.

It's infuriating. Hell, more people than not are not wearing masks here in SC.

I was at the grocery store last week and there was this big idiot in a bright green shirt, flip flops, shorts, no mask, and walking down the wrong way of an aisle. He sees a guy he knows who is wearing a mask and traveling the correct way. They exchange hellos and the green-shirted guy is very loud. He shouts: "I see you still have your Covid costume on. That blank is long gone." He laughs loud. I'm right behind his acquaintance and I say: "Blankhole."

I have no problem w/people who want to endanger themselves, but stop putting the rest of us at risk.

I was talking to my daughter today and she was lamenting the fact that she can't prove that those two business clients didn't give her the virus. The fact is that more folks will get the virus because of people who act selfishly.

And here is another thing. I hear these idiots saying "Oh, this virus wasn't that bad. They overstated things and took away our rights." Uhmmm.........did any of those geniuses stop to think that taking precautions actually helped combat the spread of the virus?

in California, Arizona, Florida and Texas it looks like they are setting new highs for new case counts every day

The lock down wasn't effective. It was a delay tactic. If you avoided being exposed, you're still as vulnerable as you were during the lockdown. People that avoided the virus are now out getting exposed, which will be the cause of the 2nd wave.

New Zealand begs to differ.

But now the hospitals aren't overloaded -- and the doctors generally know how to treat patients better. The mortality rate would have been much higher if all the ICUs were overloaded (like in NYC).

We potentially even have Dexamethasone -- with very promising early results. If we can really cut the death rate by a third - that's a huge win for delaying.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

Sorry to hear about your daughter.... Hope she gets through it!

I feel your pain on the politics of the pandemic. Shouldn't be political, but it sure is.

Expecting some accountability and leadership in a time of national crisis is not a game.

Sorry to hear about your daughter and I certainly understand the deep concern you have in regards to your wife. Luckily for myself it hasn't hit that close to home... yet. It's beginning to hit many red states hard as of now. Not trying to be political about it, but it does make me wonder if their view of things will change when it starts impacting their communities much more with so many cases hitting close to home..

Well, my son tested positive today.

Damn! With is underlying health issues I certainly hope things work out okay. As a father you must find this devastating news. My prayers go out to your family Vers.

I don't know what the underlying health issues are - but when things like this hit family and friends it brings a different dimension and hits hard. Prayers and best wishes for a fast and complete recovery.

Prayers for your family.
If you have random medical questions, or want to bend a nurse’s ear, feel free to message me.

He is a cancer survivor and his immune system isn't what it should be.

Thanks guys, but I am going to bow out now and let the discussion get back to politics. I probably won't look at this thread again because I really am in no mood to read some of the right-wing takes about how their rights have been infringed upon and how the the restrictions were similar to Nazi Germany.

But, thanks again for your kind words.