DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus The remarkable collapse of Donald Trump's polling numbers

I don't know that it is even about a 3rd party.

I think we keep thinking changing the political party in charge will fix things, but it doesn't.

Maybe it is time for the people to really push for Congress term limits. It seems the only way to really fix this thing might be to not have them just "campaigning" to stay in office forever.

Three 2 year terms, rotate 1/3 of congress every 2 years. They've have a max of 6 years to accomplish something or do something to be remembered for (Hopefully something that made the Country better), and move on.

It should be a public service, not a career.

New rules not required....put simply, trump screwed this country up. Like no president ever has. Nobody has ever seen it this bad. I’ve heard it. Everybody is saying it.

So are you calling Byner a Cockalorum?

Betcha trump refuses to debate Biden.

No doubt the presidents numbers are weak. China unleashed this virus to interfere with the election because they don't like President Trump, he plays hardball with them.


I am sure China already has a vaccine for this thing and as soon a President Trump is out of office, it will appear.

Adjust your portfolio's my friends. As soon as it looks like senile Joe is going win, the markets are going to dump.

Think gold coins and foreign bank accounts because the socialists are going to take power in this country. Oh, make sure your passport is current. Once enough start to leave, they will shut it down. You are soon to go from willing prisoners to prisoners who have no hope.

Haha...stupid sheep. Run off the cliff because the dumb ass in front of you did.

Not this guy. I am too old to fight. The will is there, but I have to be realistic. My wife and I have recently bought our landing spot, and it isn't in this country. This country is going to crap.

It isn't the country, it's the greatest that has ever existed. It's the scum buckets that reside here these days. This country is doomed, and it pains me to say that.

It is what it is. Things change and I am not willing to make that change.

Love this bs.

I figured you would. I didn't expect any better.

Be that as it may, I don't trust polls because what's missing is what questions they ask and they way they are worded.

Show me Poll results then show me the questions then I'll know more.

Well, to be honest, I didn't vote for Trump last time and I won't time either. But for sure, Biden wasn't my 1st choice,, hell he wasn't my 5th choice, but now, he's the only choice. He gets my vote simply because I don't have any other choice.

Really Peen? You use to come off as conservative, but sane. This is the ranting of someone that had Hannity and Rush melt their brain.

You've obviously had first hand experiences that have set your opinion on what is going on across the whole of the USA in stone. I don't doubt what you say - I just don't think it is reflective of what we see everywhere across the country. SC is a relatively poor state (10th in the USA) maybe that has something to do with the situation? Maybe the demographics? idk. Money misspent is frustrating too and happens a lot whether it's in consideration of minorities, growing populations and demand for schools ... whatever. I see School boards and commissions that seem to me to be short sighted and make bad choices every fiscal year.

Treating everyone equally is absolutely the goal. However - we disagree that simply doing so from this day forward is enough to address and fix the deep rooted issues that exist today. So while it sounds silly if someone says "Equality is not enough" - I suspect that the long winded reply you referred to related to that? Thinking about this - I believe what is needed to address the deep rooted issues is effort. Effort by everyone to proactively treat everyone the same - very different than passively treat everyone the same .... but in reality that is not going to happen for a lot of different reasons. The issue with 'equality' - as I alluded to with WP - is that if you have two kids equally educated and from the same social/economic background, equal in every way including grades attained - the White kid is going to go on to be more successful. That's statistically proven. So unless someone believes skin color has a bearing on drive and motivation - which I don't - then there is a significant problem to be corrected.

I think more people with your perspective helps - but doesn't fix the problem, least ways doesn't fix it fast enough. Corrective action is needed - what that is I don't know. And simply throwing money at it isn't an answer either. That's my opinion and I don't mind disagreeing with people while discussing it.

Agree with everything you said ... even this part, though I might exchange "Many" for "most".

The trouble I see with the 2 party system we have (which isn't changing ANYTIME no matter what people think) is that anyone starting out in Politics for the right reason soon get compromised and having to kowtow to party lines whether it's for support, funding, recognition .... they get corrupted.

Regardless of politics and party, I like politicians who state what they believe in and are as transparent as a politician can be. . . . I think it's the same reason why Bernie is so popular. It's not his policies (of which I think some are really too too far left) it's the fact that people see a guy standing up for what he believes in and he's been consistent with that his whole life.

Regarding the environment - Trump's undone so much, it's really sickening. And much like the unnecessary tax cuts that did nothing other than add debt, the environmental regs that Trump unwound did NOTHING for US citizens or the economy, but made a few fat cats a little fatter.

I think this has been a fair exchange of ideas. I will try and clarify a couple of things.

--I taught in Ohio and NC as well. I won't add NC to this conversation because it was in the Outer Banks and there were very few minorities. I did teach at an alternative school in E. Cleveland. This was before the Equality vs Equity thing, but I do know that we got a ton of funding and had all the latest technology.

--I actually support providing more dollars going to educating our children who live in lower economic communities. I am a big believer in the power of education and I think it's worthwhile to allocate more funding to those schools. I will say it get annoying at times when students who qualify for free lunches have more expensive shoes/clothes, newer and more expensive tech devices, etc than we do.......but, there will always be people who exploit the system. We have to overlook that and try and educate them as best we can.

--I think that it's important to try and get people to work/earn what they get. I think it is harmful just to give people things. That is why I brought up the proposals to bridge the wealth discrepancy gap. I actually believe some of the programs that are in place act as a pacifier toward the poor and assists in keeping them down. I will always promote more education and hard work over handouts.

--This won't be popular, but I think that blacks need to be more accountable for their situation. I know a ton of successful black people. While teachers don't make a ton of money, it's still an honorable profession and some of the best teachers I have ever worked with are black. There are many blacks who are administrators, attorneys, doctors, nurses, judges, CEO's, engineers, business owners, etc. The opportunities are there. Yes, they face discrimination along the way, but they can overcome it. The proof is that so many have. Here is the part that won't sit well w/some folks. I think that there needs to be more emphasis on the family. Too many children are born to mothers who have babies w/different men. Not enough men are in the households in many of the impoverished communities. The amount of crime needs to be lowered. Also, a greater effort has to be made to combat gangs. The poor communities greatest enemy are gangs. The shootings, selling drugs, crime, etc are huge at disabling those communities. The police thing is a popular sounding board right now, but gangs and all that comes w/them are more destructive to poor communities than anything else. I have shared this before, but one of my all-time favorite students was raped, beaten, and murdered in a parking lot in E. Cleveland. I despise the gang mentality and what they have done and are doing to the people who reside in those communities.

--I don't think I have any true solutions because I am probably not intelligent enough to come up w/them. I do think some of focus in misplaced.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

This country has been getting more screwed up for a long time. Long before Trump, Obama, Bush, etc.

We've allowed the people in control, to maintain control for way too long, and they have proven not to care about the general population, but only about themselves and maintaining their positions in the government.

We don't allow any President more than 8 years, so why do we allow the people who truly make the laws unlimited careers?

I think you make a very valid point. There's only one problem I see that prevents it. The people in charge of invoking those changes are the very people who hold that power. As we've seen, people will not simply give up their power.

The "we" you used no longer actually make a difference.

Then "we" aren't doing our job.

Are we too stupid or just way too comfortable??

I don't think some of us are too stupid. I think some of us are.

You see, it's the voters who keep electing these people over and over again. People keep electing those who would never pass laws to limit their own terms. The system is set up in a manner where the longer you hold office, the more power you're given.

That gives people like McConnell and Pelosi more power than anyone else in the house of congress and the senate. The two parties set laws and guidelines. In the case of McConnell, hundreds of bills sit in his office that he refuses to even bring to the floor for debate.

This isn't the way our government is supposed to work. We all know this and yet people continue to elect the same puppets over and over again somehow thinking the puppet show they will be watching will be new.

So "we" if taken in the collective sense are "too stupid".

‘The remarkable collapse of Donald Trump” thread
I was just trying to get the thread back on topic. I’ll back out. Beep. Beep. Beep.

You should have stopped at the presidents numbers are weak!

I suppose you think that Hillary ran a brothel out of the basement of a DC pizza shop right.

Geez Peen,,, I never took you for a conspiracy kinda guy....

Thanks for the sane comment. Seriously. I very much still am.

It isn't Hannity or Rush....I don't really like Rush all that much, I do like Hannity to a degree.

The problem is the left wing of the Democratic party that is taking over your party. They are making this country unlivable. They want it to be like the Soviet Union.

Sorry my friend, I don't want any part of that.

The problem with you is that you fail to acknowledge that we do represent most of Americans. You're just too blind to understand that. When you when by that method of voting it means that your message appeals to more Americans overall across the nation, simple as that. If you used just the popular vote LA and NY would decide the election every year which would be idiotic.

Remember when you were wrong in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019? You remember that? You're going to experience the same feelings later this year. You've been wrong for over 4 years in a row yet you fail to see that. It's quite sad really. I pay attention to the methods of voting that actually matter because that's the most intelligent thing to do.

The only thing I care about is the electoral college because that's the method that decides who the President of the United States should be. And by that Trump will win and it will be a landslide. You can vote for Biden or whoever you want either because you're a Democrat or RHINO. It won't change the fact that Trump is going to win.

You must have missed the news. Biden won the nomination, not Bernie. I mean if you really wish to speak in terms of what the average Democrat in this nation supports.

So to you, some Americans mean more than other Americans depending on where they live. Actual math does not support that theory.

Do you mean the 2018 when Democrats took over the majority in congress? Yeah, I remember that.

j/c...



Fox's Gasparino: GOP operatives raising possibility Trump 'could drop out of race' if polls don't rebound
By Joe Concha - 06/29/20 10:17 AM EDT

A Fox News report on Sunday says that "GOP operatives are for the first time raising the possibility" that President Trump could drop out of the 2020 presidential race "if his poll numbers don’t rebound" against presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

The report by Fox Business Network senior correspondent Charlie Gasparino, political reporter Andrew O'Reilly and producer Lydia Moynihan comes as the former vice president leads the Republican incumbent by 9.2 points in the RealClearPolitics index of major polls.

The lead for Biden was 5.5 points right before the police killing of George Floyd, which sparked protests and unrest throughout the country. This came amid the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed more than 120,000 people in the United States. Trump has been heavily criticized for the administration's response to the crisis.

“It’s too early, but if the polls continue to worsen, you can see a scenario where he drops out,” a GOP operative who asked to remain anonymous told Fox News.

Gasparino also reported that one "major player" within the Republican Party described "Trump's current psyche as 'fragile.'"

Gasparino said he's "not convinced yet" that Trump will bow out. He noted that Biden has been largely pushed off the campaign trail by the coronavirus.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/50499...rop-out-of-race

Here's what Trump said in a town hall to Sean Hannity Friday...

"I don’t want to be nice or un-nice, okay? But I mean, the man can’t speak," Trump said, falling back on one of his repeated critiques of Biden. "And he's going to be your president 'cause some people don't love me, maybe, and you know, all I'm doing is doing my job."

https://people.com/politics/trump-says-b...e-dont-love-me/

So we have to choose between 2 people who can't form coherent sentences (for different reasons).

If this upcoming election doesn't push a legit 3rd party option, then it'll never happen.

Fine. On two counts:

1. Even if there is a coup at the GOP convention, and his replacement wins the election, I'll be happier than I am now. I've lived in a USA led by Rep POTUSes in the past. I've never had to live under something this- insane.

2. The earlier he leaves, the sooner SDNY can get to work on his criminal prosecution.

I would love for that to happen. And happen soon.

I don't want to vote for Trump under any circumstances. On the other hand, the more I investigate, the Democratic party is not my father's Democratic party. They used to support the working class. Now, they want to abuse us and give things to people who don't want to work. I don't want to support a party that exploits my family and principles. We still believe in education and hard work.

Are there any Republicans that are more centrist rather than far right? I want to vote for someone who isn't extremist. I want to vote for someone who will try to get people educated and working. I think keeping groups down is a huge problem. I also think giving them things for doing nothing is a huge problem. I think a lot of Americans would like someone who is fair and has the country's best interests at heart.

Problem is, if Trump were to drop out, the most likely default would be Pence. I think he is even further right than Trump. And based on his "leadership" of the coronavirus task force, he doesn't seem too bright.

I don't want Pence, either.

That would assume that Barr has been put out to pasture as well...

Oh dear! Lindsay Graham would be much more preferable...

No.

As far as what you want to vote for, the GOP has done the exact same thing you accuse the Dems of doing. All center-right GOP's were primaried, cowed, and/or run out of the party.

They've made themselves into the P.O.T. and are either gonna sink or swim because of their ass-up fealty to him. All because they're scared of a tweet. Invertebrates, the lot of them. Or hangers-on.

Face it- your choices suck over on that side, too.

Oh, the GOP Hillary Clinton? The one who only takes a position if it gets him something?

Bank it.

Dude is the very 2nd one to be handed his walking papers.
Transparently, totally compromised. Assterisk's favorite boy, because he has a lower ethical bar than even Mr. Magoo.

I think I might have to bow out of this forum. Some things that have occurred have really depressed me.

However, I do want to say that I have never voted for a Republican in my life. I'm 63 freaking years old. That might be a bad thing, but I always despised that party.

If what you are saying is true, I still despise them. I just haven't paid attention to them because their policies disgusted me.

Now, I am disgusted by the Dems, too. The constant name-calling. The shunning of those who want to promote education and work ethic.

It seems that both sides, at least to my simpleton mind, concentrate more on pointing fingers, assigning blame, and alienating folks than they do on working on solutions.

Anyone who is even halfway intelligent can identify our problems and what needs to be amended. However, I think that fixating on differences, hate, and bias is very dangerous. I have tried to preach about the importance of uniting and working together to solve problems for years.

That message is largely ignored. I can see both sides becoming so angry w/the other side that true civil unrest that involves massive amounts of violence becomes a reality.

Compromise, cooperation, collaboration are vital right now and I don't think the extremists on both sides see that. Of course, the media fans these flames depending on which side they represent.

Since one side is all trump. What the hell do you expect the dems and the rest of us to do? Ignore his name calling and dumb ass policies? Ignore his racist tweets while his supporters double down with him? You’re mad at the dems for throwing it back onto trump and his supporters.. ok bro smh.