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This isn't "hype".

This is the opinion of medical doctors from those who are dealing with Covid-19 recovery.

This is exactly why this virus is going to do much more damage to our population than is necessary. People like this are what worry people with an ounce of sense and compassion for their fellow humans.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...amp;oe=5F2571C4

I am not really worried about the virus. As a Christian, I believe worse will be coming. My church also tells me to help carry your burden. I will wear a mask and social distance for others. My job is to love others as I am loved. Put their needs before my own.

j/c:

I am not really worried about the virus. As a Christian, I believe worse will be coming. My church also tells me to help carry your burden. I will wear a mask and social distance for others. My job is to love others as I am loved. Put their needs before my own. [/quote]

You are a rare (and most welcome) 'bird'. If more were like you, this pandemic would have been put to bed a while ago...

If it weren't for your parents you would probably have tuberculosis or polio.

I hope you don't conspiracy theory yourself to death.

You may wish to dumb that down for him.

One insult after another. And jfan is not "dumb."

No, he's certainly not dumb. He's one of my fav people here, I like reading his posts.

Of course in your haste to attack you missed his quote I was responding to from jfan...





Try again. A little more effort may need to be provided.

Same here.

Add another to the tally.

And Vers talks about there being a "gang" on this board.

j/c...

Now...130,000 dead Americans on trumps watch. Sad to hear some aren’t concerned. Yeah trump and his supporters are all in....this is 99% harmless ..... 130,000 deaths and untold hospitalizations out of 3mil cases. Not 99% harmless. Pffft trump.

Me 2

j/c...

All of this because we value profits over people.

What a broken country we live in.

https://apple.news/AcZAUVohNSEyohYxheXQPGA


Let’s see if money over life works out......


Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for Covid-19, following months of downplaying the virus.
Bolsonaro himself announced the result, speaking on Brazilian TV channels Tuesday. "Everyone knew that it would reach a considerable part of the population sooner or later. It was positive for me," he said, referring to the Covid-19 test he took Monday.

In Florida, 43 hospital ICU’s in 21 counties have hit capacity and show zero ICU beds available, according to data released by the Agency for Health Care Administration (AHCA). This includes hospitals in the following counties:

Miami-Dade (which includes the city of Miami)
Broward (which includes Fort Lauderdale)
Hillsborough (which includes Tampa)
Orange (which includes Orlando)
Another 32 hospitals show ICU bed availability of 10% or less, per the AHCA data.

In addition, 14 hospitals have hit capacity of non-ICU hospital beds and another 54 hospitals have 10% or less non-ICU hospital beds available.

Just one word on ICU beds. We have some nurses on the board. Maybe they can chime in...

Even in a large medical center, ICU beds are limited, and they don't go unoccupied. If they were, hospitals wouldn't have as many. It's expensive to maintain a ICU. I don't know the standards, maybe a nurse for every 2-3 beds? Maybe 4 beds?

The talk is how COVID patients are overwhelming the system, but the reality is there are many more patients who are in there for other reasons. We have to keep some balance here. It's not like every bed is filled with a COVID patient. People still get shot, have auto accidents, smoked 3 packs a day for 35 years and now can't breath, have heart attacks, whatever.

Current active nurses who are members of this board are probably too busy to reply or sleeping. But that’s just a guess.

They had the head of the local hospital "corporation?" on the news this past weekend, and he talked about ICU beds, and currently in Lee County where I am at, that they are at 80-90% capacity for ICU beds, which he says is typical for this time of year. And that they have procedures in place to turn regular beds into ICU beds to increase it by another 10%.

We have another hospital group in the area as in Collier County, as well as a Cleveland Clinic, and they were reporting the same things.

No doubt I wake earlier than most. Seems that Portland is a nurse. Maybe I am wrong. He posts on a regular basis.

Are you my shadow this morning?

I am just trying to have a conversation here. Not trying to be confrontational. If you have something germane to the discussion, I welcome your thoughts.

You won't have a "conversation" w/that dude. Just ignore him.

Probably so.

I am endowed. I'd just have to measure back maybe 16 times.

I can’t really speak to ICU beds. I’m not a hospital nurse. I have friends that are but not ICU either.
I have worked a few shifts in ICU back in the day. I was assigned 1 or 2 patients only. Busy busy nights even with such a small case load. I don’t miss ICU work.
As to my availability to post here. I post regularly some days because I have breaks in between patients. Sometimes I come home and shower between seeing clients. This gives me small windows to check in and read some of the insanity that is this board. Lol.
All I know is that I wouldn’t want to be in a car accident, or have a heart attack, or generally need an ICU bed right now... or for the foreseeable future. Maybe there’s an open bed... maybe it’s next to someone with COVID.
Mask up. Keep distance. Be safe. Avoid the need for the ICU trip.

jc

so nobody wants to talk about the fact that we got corporations laying off employees, even after receiving all that bail out money?

i said it before, 80% of all the money that went toward bailout efforts shouldve went to individual americans over businesses. it wouldve put in us in much better shape than we're in now.

how in gods name can anybody defend the fact that this economy is 2/3rd consumer spending, yet the government somehow gives the bulk of money to the supply side instead of the FREAKING CONSUMER?

im tired of conservatives and their socialist policies for the royalty class here in america. they cant wait to screw you and themselves over, in the name of owning the libs.

I'll talk to you about it. I agree. And now they will probably have to bail out regular people again with extended unemployment, probably something to help keep the evictions down, maybe food (SNAP) aid and another stimulus check before the end of July or the economy will tank next month and a lot of people will be hurting.

I fully expect another 2-3 trillion dollar package. Dems are pushing for it and republicans are now talking about it being needed. They waited as long as I think they can to address it, next month will be too late by the time the funds roll out.

AND I still haven't got my first damn stimulus check. It's a good thing my work has been steady or we'd be hurting too. My wife's job was paying her a $2 an hour covid essential worker bonus and they ended that at the end of June. So we've been lucky enough to not really feel the financial pain to this point. The company she works for usually ships orders in 2-3 days, they are now shipping in 5-6 weeks because they can't keep up with orders and have delays getting materials. By the end of July they will have sold as much as they sold all last year. And the company makes vinyl fence, but because they are an Amazon seller they qualified as an essential business or they would have been closed during the shut down too. Imagine how much they would have lost.

Her boss is a really good guy and treats his employees very well (as far as bosses go) but I am a little worried that if we start closing things down again, he might stop taking orders temporarily to get caught up with production. A couple weeks or a month of her being off would hurt... I'd sure as hell like to avoid taking that hit.

Disgusting.

The Washington Examiner

Thursday, July 09, 2020

ProPublica is the left's biggest muckraker you never heard of

by Ron Arnold


August 11, 2011




An obscure nonprofit investigative newsroom's editor in chief is paid $585,117 a year and the group gives away its online stories for publication by big-time "partners," including the New York Times, ABC World News, Salon.com and Associated Press. The 32 highly paid reporters seem to investigate only things liberals don't like. The newsroom claims to work only "in the public interest" and to focus exclusively on stories with "moral force."

Don't bother asking "which public" or "whose morals." You're in a left-wing alternate universe 23 floors up in a New York City office building -- the headquarters of ProPublica Inc.

That's the muckraking brainchild of Herb and Marion Sandler, billionaire former mortgage bankers whose Golden West Financial Corp. allegedly targeted subprime borrowers with "pick-a-pay" mortgages that left negative-amortization dupes owing more after each payment.

These toxic assets were largely blamed for the collapse of Wachovia, which had the misfortune of buying Golden West in 2006 -- just before the subprime mortgage meltdown -- and was forced into a takeover by Wells Fargo two years later amid federal investigations of fraud.
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The Sandlers came away from the Wachovia debacle without accusations of wrongdoing and with about $2.4 billion, of which $1.3 billion went into their family foundation, which in turn has pledged $10 million a year to fund ProPublica.

George Soros gave $250,000 in 2010, and his Open Society Institute's former vice president, Gara Lamarche, joined the board of directors, replacing Pew Charitable Trusts President Rebecca Rimel.

The Sandlers are relentlessly partisan, giving millions to the Democratic Party and its allies: $2.5 million to the MoveOn.org Voter Fund, $8.5 million to Citizens for a Strong Senate, and $2 million to the Center for American Progress, liberal think-tank of John Podesta, who led President-elect Barack Obama's transition team in 2008.

These wealthy Democratic partisans pay Paul Steiger, former managing editor of the Wall Street Journal, over half a million dollars to run ProPublica. Steiger maintains he is independent and nonpartisan.

He told "PBS NewsHour" that he accepted the job only after he asked Herb Sandler, "Suppose we did an expose of some of the left-leaning organizations that you have supported?"

When Sandler said, "No problem," Steiger took the money -- and the titles of president and editor in chief as well as a seat on ProPublica's board of directors. But so far Sandler, chairman of the board, had nothing to worry about.

ProPublica's website shows no investigation of MoveOn.org or its Voter Fund or of Podesta's Center for American Progress, or, for that matter, of any other left leaning organization that the Sandlers have supported.

Steiger has said that his history has been doing "down the middle" reporting. One wonders, the middle of what?

ProPublica's investigations include "The Gulf oil spill" (208 stories); "How industry money reaches doctors" (26 stories); "Civilian contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan" (35 stories); "The Wall Street money machine" (28 stories); and "Fracking: Gas drilling's environmental threat" (122 stories).

OK, it's biased. Is it accurate? Dave Kopel, research director at Colorado's Independence Institute, doesn't think so. He checked out ProPublica's assertions about natural gas hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, "suspected of causing hundreds of cases of water contamination."

Colorado and New Mexico officials supposedly "documented more than 1,000 cases where water was contaminated by drilling activities." Kopel called the officials. New Mexico had no fracking cases. Colorado didn't compile fracking numbers.

Kopel concluded that ProPublica cited data about contamination from every drilling-related activity in a story only about fracking.

"ProPublica" is a Latin-sounding coinage intended to mean "for the public," but scholars note that the "a" ending makes it a feminine noun, literally meaning "for the public woman."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/propublica-is-the-lefts-biggest-muckraker-you-never-heard-of

J/C......Lock em up.

Conservatives were the first to say. “We’re in this together.” That’s like the Browns management saying “we’re giving the head coach 5 years to turn this around.”

My vote for idiot of the day goes too... drum roll please.....

Nino Vitale

https://www.cleveland.com/coronavirus/20...oronavirus.html

Lol.