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He seems to be the only one setting guidelines based solely on politics.

Opinions based on factual data from doctors and teachers are now less valuable than anti-science government bureaucrats.

Should be fun to see how this thread goes. I'm probably going to stay out of it. If you won't listen to black Americans share their story on this forum, then why would I think you'd listen to me?

If any of you are interested in an educators thoughts on this, you can reach me via PM.

Here's what we do know, in Phoenix last week, one in four people tested positive for Covid 19.

In many states at this very moment, Texas, Florida, Arizona and more, this virus is worse than it's ever been. Trump seems hell bent on purposefully killing more people. Some would see it as murder by proxy.

Yet somehow he remains with around a 40% approval rating.

One of my fears is that it will take the deaths of Children and School employees to make the idiots out there finally realize that Trump isn't their friend..

BUT, my biggest fear is that even those deaths won't convince anyone that trump is a jackass

j/c

Just wondering. If it's safe enough for our children to go back to school, come home and spread the virus around to the rest of their family, isn't it safe enough for Roger Stone to start serving his prison sentence?

Lol Or I’ll hold back funding? What funding?

You wanna know how? I'll give you two words.

Joe Biden

This is the wrong approach. Let's try and work together?

There are a handful of OH politicians that aren't doing much better recently.

School district near me (not mine) has just announced reopening plans - in a nut shell Elementary Schools will have usual full time schedule - Middle School will have A and B groups alternating between class room and virtual days - High School is essentially the same as Middle School.

If anyone wishes to go virtual schooling full time, they can.

Seems a pretty sensible compromise ... young kids that can't stay home alone without a parent can go back to 'usual' schedule. Older kids that potentially can learn from home without a parent are switching in and out to reduce the school population. Masks obligatory in Mid-High school, strongly recommended for Elementary.

This will be yet another item on a long list of disasters.

Maybe ... the thing is the rest of the world is figuring it out. Germany is back to school etc ....

The issue is here in the USA

- we had too many people (led by Trump) who wanted to down play this to begin with so we got more spread.

- we didn't have enough testing so we didn't know how chronic the spread was

- when we did self isolate and try to flatten the curve, we still had yoyo's who didnt believe because they heard Trump say it was a hoax ... we had riots and protests recently that without doubt added to the spread, we had states in denial because they weren't testing and they wanted to say this was a Liberal thing "just look at all the places worst affected, whadda they have in commmon"

- We did begin to flatten the curve - but Trump in a desperate attempt to salvage his election hopes has and is pressurizing everyone to open up too soon.

- So now - instead of being on top and in control, Trump wants to limit testing so the numbers look better and open up. Trouble is we are not at the peak of 'First Wave' yet.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Daily new cases now touching over 60K - highest so far. I stopped paying attention to this for a month or so, but it's relevant again.

Hopefully schools can get it right and put in place controls and testing that will minimize the impact of any cases that show up in staff or students.

In case you hadn't seen it, other nations who opened their schools did so after they had the virus under control, not in the midst of a huge spike in cases and deaths. Yes, as common sense would dictate the death count is now rising again.

So can schools be opened? They certainly can. Just not the way things currently stand. Had the will to mitigate the virus been stronger, we would look a lot more like nations who have it under control. Our leaders and many of our people didn't pay attention which has led us to where we are now.

Yes - that was why I laid out the fact that we aren't like most of the rest of the world - we do not have it close to being under control.

Reopening schools “highest risk”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-high-risk-schools-reopening/index.html

People seriously need to read that article. Once again Trump and politicians are ignoring the CDC to push an agenda and push against a virus that knows no party.

When are people going to figure out that's why we are where we are now?

Write those words on the chalkboard 100 times until you can understand it and act responsibly by living it...

It's a complex issue, I know, but why not wait until next January? Perhaps we'll have a vaccine by then...

hater.

screw your facts.

Too many folks simply want money for nothing. It's almost as if they think that CV-19 is so far away.

J/C
But lets cheer on the protesters the rioters and looters the blm that were all encouraged by the crazy left. MILLIONS of them marching without masks and no social distancing I guess the dems cant spread the virus only the repubs can pffft.....smfh

Well, it is about schools.

Get this: Daughter got a text from the U. of Toledo. According to her, classes will be on line. I guess it's deemed not safe enough to have class in person. Fine.

But, students will still need to be on campus, in dorms. I guess that's safe? Follow the money.


Now, I will say, I've not gotten an e-mail from the university. Yet. But, it's Saturday night.

Any clue how ticked off I'll be if my daughter is required to live on campus, but take her classes on line?

I guarantee not a soul on her knows how ticked I'll be, IF that is the case.

Follow the money folks, in everything. You'll learn a lot.

BUT don't downplay the fact they are doing the right thing with the online only classes.

What? If on line classes are the safe thing, why demand students live in dorms? Makes no sense, what so ever, other than a money grab. Get the room and board, right?

I'll know more Monday. I think.

I'm with arch on this one.

If classrooms are deemed to be unsafe, rooms 1/10th their size should be deemed unsafe, as well (duh-). In fact, they should be considered ten times more unsafe, just by common sense alone.

If a course can be taken online from a dorm room in Toledo, it can be taken online from a house 45 minutes west of campus. The choice should be left up to the consumer, not the service provider.

arch may or may not be correct about the money trail aspect. I suspect that he's probably more wrong than right about the engine driving this particular policy. My concern isn't about money, and for the time being, it shouldn't be the engine behind the school's decisions, either. Public/personal safety is the only- the ONLY consideration that matters, in my opinion. "Dying to get an education" should always be a figure of speech, not a declaration of fact.

UT's endowment is muscular enough to float them for 2 years uninterrupted, if they had to. That's what endowments were set up to do (along with playing The Market for profit). 2 years is most likely long enough for a mass-effective vaccine/prevention protocol to be developed/distributed widespread.

If money is influencing policy, death will follow their decisions, as well. It's inevitable.


I don't think any of these schools should be considering mass gatherings in the middle of an uncontrolled pandemic. Not until there is a vaccine or surefire life-saving cure.

130,000 of our citizens were alive on New Year's Day. They are now gone forever. And that thing is still out there.

People are not taking this seriously enough Not at all.

I had bad feelings about this when it first started ravaging people in far-off lands. By the time Italy was in the news, we already had examples of good control (S.Korea, Taiwan) and no control. We basically knew what mitigation protocols worked/didn't. And from the start, we all knew (or should have known) that handling/surviving this disease was going to require three things of us all: patience, maturity and discipline- three traits that are abundantly absent in our culture.

Look around you when you venture outside your house. This country had failure written into this script from The Jump.

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arch: has your family considered 'stopping out' for a semester/year as a viable option? Keep yours safe, dawg.

yep. i hope this doesnt extend to the nonsense trump is trying to pull by not letting student visa holders in the country if everything is swap to online.

but just overall, i agree. if we're gonna move classes online, theres no point in making students move into dorms. sit they asses at home and show the discipline to do the work.

regardless of how crappy this virus is, we have a chance to essentially kill two birds with one stone.

1. keep everybody healthy by not opening up dorms rooms, and

2. save our future workers a crap ton of money by not going into debt paying for overpriced student housing.

Has ANYBODY in an official capacity said that she will have to live in a dorm to attend online? That would defeat the purpose. I think this is much ado about nothing and just something you concocted to be worked up about WHILE downplaying that they did the right thing.

Now if your fear, or intuition about this materializes, then I'm in your camp that it would be ridiculous, otherwise you are just getting bent out of shape for nothing because the school did something sensible.

And pay attention to the next stimulus-the senate republicans want to revise tort reform so schools, businesses would have no liability. They want the kids to go back to school in person but if they get sick-I guess it’s thoughts and prayers, but you signed the paper and sent them back-you ate on your own