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I certainly agree with you about the money grab. That's what has been going on with this entire reopening. Guidelines for reopening were ignored and are still being ignored. Somehow people feel "their freedom" includes spreading a virus to the rest of the nation.

It's the sheer stupidity of it all. Had we of handled the virus as much of the rest of the planet did we may be able to have a rational discussion about opening schools in a safe and responsible manner. As it stands, in many states and locations that's nothing more than a myth.

It appears we will have many universities that will abandon common sense for the money like it seems so may have done to this point.

Everyone is for opening things up. Had we have done so in a safe and responsible manner to begin with we wouldn't be in this position now.

This is what should have been in my previous post.

I didn't concoct anything.

First of all, at UT, first and second year students are required to live on campus IF their home is over 30 miles away (might even be 20 miles, actually). That IS the universities policy.

We live 45-50 miles away. BAM. She's required to live on campus unless we falsify info, claim some weird need, etc. WE don't do that. We don't lie, or cheat the system.


Here is the e-mail I received June 24th.

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(I edited the sender out.)

Keep in mind, that is what I got June 24th. Today is July 12th.

Sooga isn't home right now, so I can't give you the exact info she got. And there's always an outside chance she didn't understand it properly, or didn't relay it to my wife properly.

But, why is under 50 students in a class okay, but over 50 isn't? Keep in mind, the over 50 student classes are in lecture halls. The under 50 student classes are not. They are held in much, much smaller rooms.


But, dorm rooms? They aren't very big. Trust me. Dining halls? Trying to feed people?

I understand there are some classes that you really NEED to be in. She's going into nursing, but that means her first 2 years are NOT nursing classes. (last semester, since the school was closed campus wise, nursing students had to video themselves starting iv's, etc, to send to the prof. Again, my daughter is not in the nursing program at this time.)

When she gets home, I'll know more. But bud, I didn't concoct anything.

The only reason the number 50 is being used is they had to pick some arbitrary number out of their butts. It actually means nothing.

Man I hope you can find some reasonable solution to this. But let's face it, society today doesn't seem to be concerned with what's reasonable from either direction.

I'd drop my kid out of school if they didn't.


We all need education, but we all need to make educated decisions. To me this isn't a hard decision.

Well in your original post it read like you were anticipating them to enforce living on campus. That's the part I can't imagine if they are going to cancel in person classes and move to online only, why would they want students on campus that don't HAVE to be there? Makes no sense.

They ARE enforcing and making 1st and 2nd year students live on campus - minus the caveats I outlined.

They still, as of right now, are saying 'classes of under 50 will meet in person."

That is pending my daughter getting home and me seeing the actual text she got from the University.

My apologies, I misunderstood that.

Devos is an absolute cretin

Devos is an absolute cretin

Decisions to send children back to school hopefully have nothing to do with politics, but based on the best advice of child health experts.

The American Academy of Pediatrics says
"The AAP strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school."

Obviously there full recommendation is more developed and complex and includes guidelines for risk management and safety.

This virus happens to be extremely low risk for children.

I for one am trusting the data and sending my kids back, but fully respect the decisions of parents that want to keep their kids at home.

Schools are underfunded to begin with. They are struggling financially to reopen. Reallocating funds from the police would help them to open faster and safer. Also requiring all kids to have healthcare insurance or governmental universal healthcare before returning to school would help open faster and safer.

Facts

I do not think the schools should reopen. However, w/all the despicable behavior that is going on right now, I sure as hell don't want money taken away from the police.

The most despicable behavior I’ve seen lately is police killing our citizens based on their ethnicity. No justice no peace. Black lives matter.

One of my employees is from a small town. She told me this morning they found the newly appointed super has shot himself in front of his car. They believe that the harassment he got from trying to get the school re-opened was the root cause.

It's your right to think that, but I think that most citizens think the rioting, looting, violent, criminal folks are a bigger threat to this countries well-being than the police are.

How about you go tell that the family members of the police murder victims and listen to what they have to say. Problem is, you wouldn’t listen. You’d think you’re only there to save them from themselves. Pffft.

How about you go talk the families of the thousands and thousands of folks who have lost family members due to gang violence?

The numbers are not close. I'll side w/the police over the criminals every freaking day of the week and twice on Sunday. Y'all ain't going to win by making unreasonable demands.

I knew you wouldn’t listen. Pffft trump supporters.

I knew you would not acknowledge the truth. Pfffttt criminal minds.

So sorry to hear that.

Well turn about should be fair play then. If you think Vers should do that, then you should have to go to all the cops families who have been killed in the line of duty and do the same right.

Pressley hits DeVos over reopening schools: 'I wouldn't trust you to care for a house plant let alone my child'

Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) swiped at Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on Sunday after the Trump administration official doubled down on her push for students to return to school.

In a tweet knocking DeVos on Sunday afternoon, the first-term lawmaker directly called her out, writing, “@BetsyDeVosED you have no plan. Teachers, kids and parents are fearing for their lives.”

“You point to a private sector that has put profits over people and claimed the lives of thousands of essential workers. I wouldn’t trust you to care for a house plant let alone my child,” she continued.



Pressley's tweet came in response to remarks DeVos made in an interview on CNN’s "State of The Union" early Sunday. During her appearance, she reiterated her call for schools to resume in-person classes in the fall and pushed back on social distancing guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommending children’s time meeting in groups be limited to mitigate the spread of COVID-19.

“What we're saying is that kids need to be back in school and that school leaders across the country need to be making plans to do just that. There’s going to be the exception to the rule, but the rule should be that kids go back to school this fall,” DeVos said. “Where there are little flare-ups or hot spots, that can be dealt with on a school-by-school or a case-by-case basis.”

When discussing the role CDC guidelines should play in schools reopening, DeVos said, “The CDC guidelines are just that, meant to be flexible and meant to be applied as appropriate for the situation.”

Earlier this month, DeVos said she was “very seriously” looking at holding back federal funding from schools that don’t reopen in the fall, despite CDC guidelines warning that children meeting in groups "can put everyone at risk."

"We are looking at this very seriously. This is a very serious issue across the country," she said then.

President Trump also threatened to do the same to schools that don’t reopen in a tweet around the same time earlier this month.

"The Dems think it would be bad for them politically if U.S. schools open before the November Election, but is important for the children & families. May cut off funding if not open!" Trump tweeted at the time.

However, it’s unclear how much, if any, funding the Trump administration would be able to cut from schools that don’t reopen come fall, as Congress is tasked with appropriating federal funding for schools.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/50698...u-to-care-for-a


#TRUTH

I certainly do not dismiss the loss of life that police suffer at the hands of criminals. I do however feel that you are making a false comparison here.

You see, every officer who joins the police force understands they are making the obligation to put their life on the line every day. I applaud them for that and it takes a very special individual to take on such a commitment.

However, a young black man walking to the 7/11 did not take on that responsibility.

I think anyone who sends their child back to school in packed classrooms this fall should be charged with neglect and child endangerment. Screw the economy if it means putting my grandkids at risk of death due to the failures of Trump and company. they will get by just fine in the depression in this family, but only if they are alive.

Wow.... thanks for showing us the opposite extreme.

You're welcome. Just had to put that out there to move the convo back to center and level headed. When it comes to economy over kids' safety we need a wake up call. Children are our most valuable asset and most vulnerable population because they don't get a say in most of this.

I responded to a direct quote from another poster who talked about taking money away from the police. I choose the police over criminals.

What does that have to do with police killing people who are not criminals? Bait and switch. The oldest game in the book.

I am saying that I trust the police more than criminals. I would rather the police have the funds to protect honest folks like my family and friends. I am also saying that gangs kill way more people than police do. I am saying that they are a far bigger threat to the safety of our communities than the police are.

I could care less how you try to spin what I'm saying. But, I support the police and I don't want to take funds away from them so that the criminals have an even freer run over our communities than they already do.

And while doing so you ignored the kids and schools who desperately need more funding to safely open this fall, while supporting giving all those available funds to killer cops and their corrupt police departments. You ignored “Schools” Your thread bro ..you derailed your own thread. LOL

First of all, we are not "bros." I don't like you. At all.

Secondly, you think I am a guy who ignores schools?

Finally, you are labeling all police officers as killers and all police departments as corrupt? Where are guys like Pit, 888, OCD, and mac saying it is wrong to label entire groups of people because of the poor actions of a few?

The problem is that there are more than just the police and criminals. It's not an either or proposition. And we certainly agree there are other important issues that certainly need to be dealt with, let's not try to diminish the one currently being fought. I'm not going to be the white guy telling them what cause they should be fighting first. Maybe you are but I'll leave that up to you.

I too support the "good cops". There's no group of people that large where everyone in that group are all good or all bad.

I posted an article here that was a statement of the Davidson County sheriff. that's the county where Nashville is located. Here it is...

https://www.nashville.gov/News-Media/News-Article/ID/4409/Sheriff-Hall-OpEd-in-the-Tennessean

He outlined how the police are forced to work with the mentally ill, the homeless and those things are issues they are neither taught to or know how to deal with properly. How the money the police are using to do this would be better spent in places that can deal with it. That the police are simply having too much being put on their plate.

You have displayed nothing but an "us verses them" way of things which is the exact thing you claim to be railing against. This issue doesn't have to be, nor is it really about that at all.

The mentally ill and homeless are not criminals. The police are not the people to deal with that and most police know that.

You’re right we aren’t bro’s. I do that to put us on the same footing. But you’re triggered again and you seem to lumped protesters and BLM in with criminals. So I can’t do the same? Got it. Not the same footing. Yea boss. Got it. Pffft

Which police? The friendly, from the neighborhood, beat cop that everybody knows and respects? Or the militarized racist murderers killing blacks because they are afraid of them/have small penis with a gun Napoleon complex issues? I think people defending the funding for the latter are the REAL criminals we need protected from the most.