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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Odell speaks out:

""Obviously with everything that's going on, it doesn't make sense why we're trying to do this. I can understand basketball was already in the playoffs. Five-on-five basketball in an arena is going to be more intense than regular-season games. Hooping is different than playing an eleven-on-eleven contact sport where there's 80 people in a locker room. We're not ready for football season. So why are we trying to push forward? It's obviously for their money. And that bothers me because there's always been this—and I hate saying it like that—but the owners' [attitude is], 'Oh we own you guys,' and just kind of that unfairness going on that they don't see us as human. I just feel like the season shouldn't happen and I'm prepared for it to not happen and I wouldn't mind not having it."

Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com later reported that Beckham "has no plans of opting out" after seeing "how safe" the Browns' facility was."


It will always be about the money.




Especially when it's time to redo his contract. rolleyesdevil


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Years ago I had to go to Birmingham Al. for a training class. I checked in to the hotel and found out I was sharing a room. I was a bit surprised by rolled with it. Ends up it is a former OL. He was a marginal guy and played for a number of teams.

Over the class course I got to know the guy.

He told me how cold pro football really is. He said most players find out quick that it is about money. The team rah rah is for the fans. Owners want more money. Players learn. Get all you can when you can.


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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Odell speaks out:

""Obviously with everything that's going on, it doesn't make sense why we're trying to do this. I can understand basketball was already in the playoffs. Five-on-five basketball in an arena is going to be more intense than regular-season games. Hooping is different than playing an eleven-on-eleven contact sport where there's 80 people in a locker room. We're not ready for football season. So why are we trying to push forward? It's obviously for their money. And that bothers me because there's always been this—and I hate saying it like that—but the owners' [attitude is], 'Oh we own you guys,' and just kind of that unfairness going on that they don't see us as human. I just feel like the season shouldn't happen and I'm prepared for it to not happen and I wouldn't mind not having it."

Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com later reported that Beckham "has no plans of opting out" after seeing "how safe" the Browns' facility was."


It will always be about the money.



OBJ's comments were made before the testing and safety guidelines were put in place. In the original article, which for some reason was in the Wall Street Journal, it stated that fact.

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At this point who the hell knows how this will go?


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Originally Posted By: bonefish

At this point who the hell knows how this will go?



I know.

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Then tell us oh wise one. How will it go?


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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Odell speaks out:

""Obviously with everything that's going on, it doesn't make sense why we're trying to do this. I can understand basketball was already in the playoffs. Five-on-five basketball in an arena is going to be more intense than regular-season games. Hooping is different than playing an eleven-on-eleven contact sport where there's 80 people in a locker room. We're not ready for football season. So why are we trying to push forward? It's obviously for their money. And that bothers me because there's always been this—and I hate saying it like that—but the owners' [attitude is], 'Oh we own you guys,' and just kind of that unfairness going on that they don't see us as human. I just feel like the season shouldn't happen and I'm prepared for it to not happen and I wouldn't mind not having it."

Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com later reported that Beckham "has no plans of opting out" after seeing "how safe" the Browns' facility was."


It will always be about the money.



OBJ's comments were made before the testing and safety guidelines were put in place. In the original article, which for some reason was in the Wall Street Journal, it stated that fact.


and, he's not wrong.

It is going ahead ONLY because of the owner's money, and nothing else.
And, if MLB has already shown anything, it is that this will run roughshod over entire rosters very, very quickly.

I fully expect the season to start.
I also fully expect the season to be abbreviated and abandoned at some point before Christmas.


Browns is the Browns

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Then tell us oh wise one. How will it go?


No.

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At this point who the hell knows how this will go?



I know.




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Then tell us oh wise one. How will it go?


No.


I have known people who have used this tactic before. It allows them to say "I knew it all along" no matter what happens.


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Then tell us oh wise one. How will it go?


No.


I have known people who have used this tactic before. It allows them to say "I knew it all along" no matter what happens.


Or they are just joking with people who don’t get jokes.

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No, a team wouldn't shut down. However, if it happens that star players from a few of the top teams have to quarantine, there will always be an asterisk attached to this season and nobody will consider it as legitimate.


This would be the year the Browns win the Superbowl and it will be looked at as a Covid fluke that no one will respect. Don't get me wrong, I'd be in hog heaven regardless.


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Either is possibility.


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No, a team wouldn't shut down. However, if it happens that star players from a few of the top teams have to quarantine, there will always be an asterisk attached to this season and nobody will consider it as legitimate.


This would be the year the Browns win the Superbowl and it will be looked at as a Covid fluke that no one will respect. Don't get me wrong, I'd be in hog heaven regardless.


If the whole season is played with no missing games I don’t see why any team’s championship would be tainted.

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No, a team wouldn't shut down. However, if it happens that star players from a few of the top teams have to quarantine, there will always be an asterisk attached to this season and nobody will consider it as legitimate.


This would be the year the Browns win the Superbowl and it will be looked at as a Covid fluke that no one will respect. Don't get me wrong, I'd be in hog heaven regardless.


I don't care, cause I get to collect in Vegas anyway. smile


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I don't know about that. How many star players did you avoid facing due to Covid? I guess one could say that the rules are the same for everyone. However, if a team makes it to the SB by avoiding facing some opponents star players in the playoffs, it's not going to be seen as legit. And really it won't be.


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I don't know about that. How many star players did you avoid facing due to Covid? I guess one could say that the rules are the same for everyone. However, if a team makes it to the SB by avoiding facing some opponents star players in the playoffs, it's not going to be seen as legit. And really it won't be.




If you play the season, it is a season. It's no different if players go down with a knee injury, or something else.

My personal feeling is they shouldn't, but that is JMO.


But if they do, no matter who may go out, it is a legit season. Everybody faced the same deal.


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Correct. With that said, I don't foresee a season happening.

And also, I've heard rumors that the state of Ohio will not allow spectators at any "contact" sport, including high school, college, a pro levels.

And lastly, I won't get hyped up about the Browns unless and until they show the came to play and win games.

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Couldn’t agree less ...

NE’s D has been decimated by opt outs ... who have we lost? ... that doesn’t seem like everyone facing the same deal to me ... it is the sa,e deal but that deal is affecting everyone differently ...

Losing a player to COVID is like losing someone to a knee injury ... come on my friend ... knee injuries don’t spread through the team and cost u 1/2 your roster ... see the marlins ... no way bro ... not even close to the same ,,,

To me this will be a joke of a season ... i believe like in baseball that they will start but not finish ... if they do ... i bet not all the teams play the same amount of games ... in baseball there going by winning % for when that happens ...




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Hopefully, the NFL is learning from the mistakes of MLB and the success of the NBA.

I would also like to add that while we will all have our own opinions of whether the SB champ is legit or not, I am on the side that it is legit.

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Couldn’t agree less ...

NE’s D has been decimated by opt outs ... who have we lost? ... that doesn’t seem like everyone facing the same deal to me ... it is the sa,e deal but that deal is affecting everyone differently ...

Losing a player to COVID is like losing someone to a knee injury ... come on my friend ... knee injuries don’t spread through the team and cost u 1/2 your roster ... see the marlins ... no way bro ... not even close to the same ,,,

To me this will be a joke of a season ... i believe like in baseball that they will start but not finish ... if they do ... i bet not all the teams play the same amount of games ... in baseball there going by winning % for when that happens ...



The impacts from team to team might be different, but everybody faces the same deal. No different than a team who gets hit by injuries


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baseball has the absolute worse program in playing the season and coping with the virus.



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Couldn’t agree less ...

NE’s D has been decimated by opt outs ... who have we lost? ... that doesn’t seem like everyone facing the same deal to me ... it is the sa,e deal but that deal is affecting everyone differently ...

Losing a player to COVID is like losing someone to a knee injury ... come on my friend ... knee injuries don’t spread through the team and cost u 1/2 your roster ... see the marlins ... no way bro ... not even close to the same ,,,

To me this will be a joke of a season ... i believe like in baseball that they will start but not finish ... if they do ... i bet not all the teams play the same amount of games ... in baseball there going by winning % for when that happens ...



The impacts from team to team might be different, but everybody faces the same deal. No different than a team who gets hit by injuries


OK Pit ... let me know the next time one player goes down with a knee and it spreads to 4 or 5 other players ... thumbsup

Your math is Pitesque here my friend ...




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baseball has the absolute worse program in playing the season and coping with the virus.



How is football’s different bro?




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Only Pit agrees with you. So how's your math today? Have you managed to get beyond 0+0=0 yet?


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Couldn’t agree less ...

NE’s D has been decimated by opt outs ... who have we lost? ... that doesn’t seem like everyone facing the same deal to me ... it is the sa,e deal but that deal is affecting everyone differently ...

Losing a player to COVID is like losing someone to a knee injury ... come on my friend ... knee injuries don’t spread through the team and cost u 1/2 your roster ... see the marlins ... no way bro ... not even close to the same ,,,

To me this will be a joke of a season ... i believe like in baseball that they will start but not finish ... if they do ... i bet not all the teams play the same amount of games ... in baseball there going by winning % for when that happens ...



The impacts from team to team might be different, but everybody faces the same deal. No different than a team who gets hit by injuries


OK Pit ... let me know the next time one player goes down with a knee and it spreads to 4 or 5 other players ... thumbsup

Your math is Pitesque here my friend ...





Not sure where Pit factors in but everybody faces the same challenges. It isn't exclusive to a team or two.

When you are 24, you want to bump your sweaty belly with a sweaty woman belly.


Just the way it is. That instinct never fades.

Just saying....


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Curious as to your thought process here ...


About what? The NFL learning from the NBA and the mistakes of MLB? Or if the season will be legit or not?

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Well, I think we all will have our own separate opinions on that and we won't be able to prove our opinions.

If they are able to crown a SB champ, I will consider it legit. I say that because I know just hard it is to win even one football game, never mind being the last one standing when all is said and done.

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.... never mind being the last one standing when all is said and done.


No pun intended? wink


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Then tell us oh wise one. How will it go?


I'll have a lash. A number of these players WILL contract Covid-19. There is no doubt of that. Some of those will get very sick. A few may even die. A few will recover but be out of the league for a year or more to FULLY recover from the damage the virus caused. You don't just get better from Covid and hit the ground running. It lingers.

A number of coaches will contract Covid-19. This is more worrisome. There are many coaches in the danger zone age/health wise. Some will get very sick. A few may even die.

These are all facts. It is not possible to keep players and coaches safe. There are far too many factors to cover everything. Travel, hotels, etc. Lockerrooms, team meetings, etc. Even if you could quarantine the entire team, keeping them away from family and friends for the entire season(and that isn't possible) it would still be impossible to keep every single player and coach safe. All it takes is ONE. Someone that contracts Covid and doesn't know it. He gives it to others and they don't know it. In 14 days a LOT of people can be infected. It is what it is. The players have the option to opt out and that is exactly what they should do. But their egos preclude it so they risk their career and life. Make no mistake though, it is a risk. Some will lose that gamble. II don't blame anyone for opting out. It is the smart thing to do.


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Well, I think we all will have our own separate opinions on that and we won't be able to prove our opinions.

If they are able to crown a SB champ, I will consider it legit. I say that because I know just hard it is to win even one football game, never mind being the last one standing when all is said and done.


I agree and it will be even harder this season. The risks are higher, there may well be an outbreak that hits teams hard. If a team can go through all of this and win then it is definitely legit. I think it is stupid to have a season but if they do then the winners earned it!


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Feels like it may play out like strike ball for those old enough to remember it. If you can't, well. a lot of the flavor of this season might be reminiscent of The Replacements. The virus could win all ties. We seem OK so far.

Stay tuned!


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I’m way more worried about the coaches or staff members getting it severely than the players. Sure, there may be a few players who get a severe case, but a guy like Bruce Arians? Not good


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Then tell us oh wise one. How will it go?


I'll have a lash. A number of these players WILL contract Covid-19. There is no doubt of that. Some of those will get very sick. A few may even die. A few will recover but be out of the league for a year or more to FULLY recover from the damage the virus caused. You don't just get better from Covid and hit the ground running. It lingers.

A number of coaches will contract Covid-19. This is more worrisome. There are many coaches in the danger zone age/health wise. Some will get very sick. A few may even die.

These are all facts. It is not possible to keep players and coaches safe. There are far too many factors to cover everything. Travel, hotels, etc. Lockerrooms, team meetings, etc. Even if you could quarantine the entire team, keeping them away from family and friends for the entire season(and that isn't possible) it would still be impossible to keep every single player and coach safe. All it takes is ONE. Someone that contracts Covid and doesn't know it. He gives it to others and they don't know it. In 14 days a LOT of people can be infected. It is what it is. The players have the option to opt out and that is exactly what they should do. But their egos preclude it so they risk their career and life. Make no mistake though, it is a risk. Some will lose that gamble. II don't blame anyone for opting out. It is the smart thing to do.



Here's a thought... if we "listen to the science" that means professional athletes would fall in to the tiniest of risk categories. Only a handful of them have a comorbidity that in reality would move them out of that risk group in to another.

Now I would agree that many of the coaches and coordinators would be in a higher risk category such as Bruce Arians. If those people have assessed the situation and team/League procedures and choose to coach this season, maybe we ought to trust them?

The only real ego being exhibited is by those who keep characterizing anyone who doesn't believe the way they do that they are merely stupid or selfish, as if they know better than anyone else.

I'd be curious to know for any of you guys who believe the players should opt out because its the "right" thing to do, would this mean if there are any games played you'll refuse to watch them? After all anyone who does watch them is at least implicitly supporting such a dangerous and selfish thing. If you guys still will watch them, that's cool. I'm not trying to play the "Who's a Hypocrite" game. I'm just curious when people take a strong position as to how strong it is. You know? Like, if we cheer because Nick Chubb in no uncertain terms gets the Rushing Title this year, do we also hold a memorial service for all the people who dies to make that happen?


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I watched the Browns for years, including the "Owen" season and strike ball. I am conditioned to watch disasters, like train wrecks and Browns games. If they are willing I will honor it from a safe distance. But I am a fan, which conditionally means I may be a hypocrite at times and hold conflicting decisions' positions. Fans aren't the pistons driving the problem; I doubt that those fans embody the real solution either. But it is between me and the Browns. Make up your own mind for yourself.


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