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Sure you wasn’t. I’m sure you’d understand when I say there’s reason to believe that.

I see a lot of insults coming from all directions. I don't keep score about who is saying what.

As for turning a blind eye, I try to not comment on them because that just perpetuates the responses and further derails the thread.

I think if we all stopped responding the insults it would make this board better. But I understand how hard it can be, especially when the insult is directed at you (you meaning whoever is insulted not you meaning vers).

Do my politics play a role? Maybe, it is part of who I am so I can't see how it could not. But I do try to keep out of the insult arena unless if gets too much and I can't resist.

What I said is that the president "threatened to cut off funding to schools that didn't open".

Trump threatens to 'cut off funding' for schools that don't reopen amid pandemic

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/virus-sp...ory?id=71670167

And obviously you don't understand the definition of being civil. Every word I said was true. You didn't disprove a thing I said. The poorest schools get the most federal help. They need it the most and threatening to cut off their funding is using your power to apply pressure.

The saddest part of it is, you can't actually form a cognitive debate to offset anything I said and all you can resort to is the usual, "You just hate Trump" BS.

Well we both know the social justice warrior tries to high jack multiple threads with it.

So, do you want to have a rational discussion about schools or do we all just have to say "this is all Trump's fault?"

I actually tried but as usual all I got back was "You hate Trump".

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So it certainly isn't fair to blame Trump for the virus. It also isn't fair to blame him for all of the deaths that are associated with the virus. What I do feel is fair is to not absolve him of anything.

He worked to undermine the mitigation that his own health experts recommended. He tried to bully schools into opening. He called for a national health emergency while undermining the very people and plan they tried to put in place. Those things did contribute to the situation we find ourselves in now.

How many additional deaths were caused from his actions are up for debate and certainly can not be set to a quantifiable figure.

However, you can not absolve him since a national plan was set by our health experts and he has undermined them at every turn.

I know I am not someone you probably wish to have this debate with, but at least I've tried, for the second time now, to have one that I do not feel is unfair or unrealistic.

j/c

Georgia teens shared photos of maskless students in crowded hallways. Now they’re suspended.

At least two North Paulding High School students who shared images of their jam-packed hallway full of their mostly maskless peers have been suspended, and the principal has warned other students about what could happen if they do the same.

North Paulding High School in Dallas, Ga., about an hour’s drive from Atlanta, was thrust into the national spotlight earlier this week when pictures and videos surfaced of its crowded interior on day one and two of its first week back. The images, which showed a sea of teens clustered close together with no face coverings, raised concerns over how the district is handling reopening schools during a global pandemic.

Facing a fierce online backlash, Paulding County Schools Superintendent Brian Otott told parents and guardian in a letter that the images “didn’t look good.” But he argued that they lacked context about the 2,000-plus student school, where masks are a “personal choice.”

Hannah Watters, 15, wore a mask as she captured the inside of her school. On Wednesday, she ended up with a five-day suspension for violating the district’s student code of conduct, BuzzFeed News reported. The rules bar students from using social media during the day or using recording devices without permission from an administrator.

“Not only did they open, but they have not been safe,” Watters told BuzzFeed News. “Many people are not following CDC guidelines because the county did not make these precautions mandatory.”

The teen, who said she’d never before run afoul of the code of conduct, told the news outlet that she understood she broke the rules. But she also viewed her punishment as overly harsh.

Another anonymous student told BuzzFeed News that he too faced disciplinary action for the same reasons.

On Wednesday, Principal Gabe Carmona warned students about “consequences” if they copied Watters and the other student, according to audio obtained by CBS 46.

“Anything that’s going on social media that’s negative or alike without permission, photography, that’s video or anything, there will be consequences,” he told students over an intercom announcement.

Carmona and Otott didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Watters told BuzzFeed that she and her family intend to fight the suspension. Paulding County’s school code of conduct says the penalty for using social media or recording device can range from in-school suspension to expulsion, based on the degree of the offense.

Watters’s speech probably would have been better protected had she been off school grounds and posted a social media message about what happened based on the district’s policy, said Fred Smith Jr., associate professor of law at Emory University.

“From a rights perspective, the question I would have is whether or not the school has exercised similar discipline for other students who have posted anything during the school day, especially instances of people posting favorable things,” he told The Washington Post on Thursday.

A lack of equal enforcement of the rule could pose a potential First Amendment issue because it could show the school applies rules to preferred speech, he said.

“Schools have a compelling interest in ensuring that there are not substantial disruptions on school grounds,” he said. “As long as that’s what going on, the school’s within its rights.”

Superintendent Otott emailed a letter to parents on Thursday that stated the district will be providing all staff with cloth masks and face shields and attempting to reduce crowding in high school hallways during class changes.

Social distancing and masks are “strongly encouraged,” but the district has not required either and notified parents earlier this month that both would be nearly impossible to enforce on school buses and in classrooms.

Otott said that he and his staff will be “reviewing student discipline matters” that happened this week, likely referring to Watters and the other student.

“This is a new environment for all of us, but I want to reassure our community that we are addressing the issues that have come to light,” he wrote.

The school district is also gaining more unwanted attention after a video shared on Snapchat allegedly showed a student in a virtual classroom using a racial slur, WXIA-TV reported.

One parent told The Washington Post her daughter wanted to return to North Paulding High School because she missed the social aspect. Michelle Salas said her daughter, Chelsea, has been horrified by how the school has handled reopening and how her fellow students have dismissed safety concerns.

Salas said her daughter has been bullied by fellow classmates for being vocal about her disappointment in the school’s response to the virus and to Watters. But, she said, that won’t stop her from speaking out about what she sees wrong in the school – even though consequences are possible.

“It feels like she has her middle finger up but in the right way,” Salas said.

https://www.boston.com/news/education/20...heyre-suspended

Students who want virtual learning are forced into in-person school because of waiting list

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/hea...06-dd21b40d335a

Man I just saw that.

All those teens crowded together.

Think about how many kid around the country live with older parents or grandparents. Think about how many older teachers their are in our education system.

All these kids...and all it takes is one.

Reopening schools is the opposite of being pro-life. They’re literally sentencing people to death.

No, shame on you for your fake agenda.

Any time any parent has to bury their child it's a tragedy. Period. Whether through illness, sickness, car accident, 'gangbangers' - whatever. They are all tragic and sad and I have no idea how parents that suffer the death of a child find the strength to draw another breath or live with themselves through another morning or another night when they lay their head to rest.

Offering thoughts and prayers for one victim of one type of tragedy doesn't mutually exclude caring about or having empathy for any other type of childs death / tragedy .... and you suggesting it does to suit your political agenda is unkind at best.

As for your continually wishing to bring every thread back to black on black crime and 'gangbangers' -- two things:

[1] as others have pointed out, worthy discussion and if you want to start a thread about it, do so. But you can't crow bar it into every other thread and discussion.

[2] With CV-19 and police abuses - there are specific individuals to discuss with specific actions that have caused specific events and results ... these are specific issues and specific topics and specific events that are being talked about. With "gang bangers" and street crime and black and black crime etc -- it's a terrible situation than needs to be discussed, but no one individual is saying something today that has instant ramifications throughout the country to make the situation better or worse. There aren't other countries doing things different on a daily, weekly basis that are instant talking points and comparisons. . . the violence and deaths continue and are tragic, but there isn't a variable that is changing the situation daily, weekly, monthly .... AND from what I can see - the numbers are significantly less than the 150,000 american lives lost in the last 6 months due to CV-19.

So again - shame on you.

Yet, another lie.

No not a lie - though maybe an exaggeration. Something you are extremely adept at yourself when it suits your agenda.

The rest of my post was spot on - SHAME ON YOU.

Putting your reply next to the original comment ... It seems you are equating referring to a woman as a Karen is "not much" different than sexual assault and randomly touching women.

Educate me Professor.

Those are all bad ways to treat women. One does not make the other Ok.

I’ll admit that using a woman’s name to ridicule entitled middle age white people could actually bring more nonsense towards women. My wife and I spent some time talking about it. So I’ll use Karen and Ken respectively for the appropriate gender.

Anyways...I’m glad that kid took those videos. The principal’s claim of “you made the school look bad in a negative light” is nothing but pure gaslighting. I hope more kids take videos!

I believe you live the next school district over from us. We are in a highly democratic area but I would believe both of our schools have more registered R's than D's.

Anyways, our school board had a meeting Wednesday night. They are still struggling to come up with a plan so they moved the start date for the new year back 2 weeks and completely revised the plan. They are now going with a hybrid plan-splitting the groups up into 2 groups to limit occupancy to 50% or less. There also is a remote option. But almost every other option they are looking at to testing before games for athletes, to partitions in schools to dual bus routes -they are having trouble implementing because of money.
they also had a quote to put thermal testing booths at the 3 doors of the schools and are not going to implement because the booths are 10k each and they are already in the hole. The school board put in the last plan that parents would get a sheet of paper sent home and you are supposed to take your kids temperature and if there is a temp, you are supposed to keep them home. They would not check at school doors. After much pushback, they are now looking at maybe having somebody at the door with handheld thermometer and if they have a temp, put them in an isolation room and call for someone to pick them up.

The reason they are on the 5th plan is every plan they have tried to put forth so far either is not doable or simply cost way too much.

They still have many, many items that they simply don't have answers to. They have established a advisory board of parents who are doctors and the county board of health. I am sure the school principals, teachers who helped and the superintendent never thought they would have to be doing something like this.

And every question from the school board to the superintendent was like I am disappointed, if they can go 2 days a week, why not 5. Why did we have to have 2 bus routes, that wastes a lot of gas money. Every question from the posting on facebook were even more asinine and selfish. But one that that i noticed a few people say is that kids can't get this or spread this, so why don't they just go back.

Nice post. Finally, some rational and logical talk. Hope we can discuss the complexities of the situation. It's an important topic w/no easy answers. I'm game for having a logical discussion if you and others are into it. I'll wait until I see the flow of the thread after your post. Will it take an upswing or will it devolve into the usual one-sided rhetoric that plagues almost every thread in this forum?

Crazy ass bigoted women being called "Karen" is a slur! It's also a way to call out their behavior, which I'm sure you condone being white, republican, and southern... Maybe that label hits a little too close to home for you to appreciate what it actually does.

Off to a roaring start. LOL.....

I have never been called that, but we all know that namecalling is basically the only debating skill that you possess. So troll on.

yep, Schools are not prepared to face this safely. All the doom and gloomers saying it will be much worse in the fall/winter must have factored in the utter idiocy of sending kids back to school at this point.

I want kids to get the education and be around other kids for the social benefit too, but not if it's going to cost lives. None of us would kill a kid or follow them home and kill their loved ones... yet we put them in this exact situation to bolster the economy? I just can't see any reason for schools to start "in person classes" right now. None.

As you call me a troll. Shut up. smh

Nah, I'm just going to straight up ask you if you are a 'Karen'? Do you get mad and yell racists crap at people for no reason? Do you feel like you're special and above people of color to the point that you justify calling the police on them for just being somewhere YOU don't think they should be? Not talking about committing actual crimes, I'm talking about 'simply living while being a POC'?

Do you think that behavior is acceptable? Do you think harassing people for speaking a different language or for just being a POC is in any way justified at any time? And yes I will scrutinize your answer, while knowing any deflection or otherwise responding with some sort of attack will tell me all I really need to know.

Do you make up your own definitions for your own purposes? Maybe you should go google what a Karen actually is. I would link it, but profanity.

Oh here is a link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(pejorative)

But nice try to attempt at labeling me a derogatory slur.

What exactly is a 'Karen' and where did the meme come from?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53588201

And that is what I expected. Maybe I should start a thread as to not derail this one, but I think this is worthy of discussion. You have a point if you compare it to calling all black kids in a hoodie a 'thug' BUT if you equate it to behavior, that comparison falls flat.

Maybe don’t use Wikipedia next time?

I could make a Wikipedia page saying Georgia is a derogatory slur.

I realize that.

But I truly do get where you’re coming from. Using a woman’s name as a negative connotation for any entitled act contains a lot behind it. Took me a bit to realize that, so I’ll adjust. Wish we could have a nice non-binary term to use.

Just call an entitled person an entitled peson.

My mother's name is Karen. I don't like the term either, but I get that the point being made with it needs to be made. My elderly mother agrees.

You didn't read what I posted, or you simply cannot comprehend. The funding for schools has already been approved. The president can't over ride that, and neither can devos. Period.

The only body of gov't. that can is congress. Period.

Trump can say whatever, that does not mean he can DO whatever.

To claim that he threatened to with hold funding while having NO ability to do so, and using that as some sort of anti trump move is just dumb.

I didn't form a cognitive debate, primarily because of who I was talking to. I posted facts. And the person I was responding to still doesn't get it. Period.

Trump hatred rules your life.

I went to the definitive source on slang -> Urban dictionary

Karen
The stereotypical name associated with rude, obnoxious and insufferable middle aged white women.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Karen

They give examples of "Karen behavior" as well but there's a lot of off color language and I wasn't sure I could edit it all out. So feel free to follow the link.

Yeah I live in the next town over and money has always been an issue in our district. People think we are well off but the truth is we get very little state funding. We did receive and spent money that was offered under the Covid act on thermal imagers. I believe Poland bought three of them? I know people were complaining about the cost of them but having them will enable us to get kids in school in a somewhat reasonable timely manner.

We have some of the same asinine comments on our Facebook pages. Some people are just idiots.

The busing issues aren’t as bad here since we have no high school busing. We also have a ton of parents that drop and pickup their kids so the schools asked residents to opt out of busing if they aren’t using it.

As far as having more registered Republicans than Democrats I don’t think that is the case. We do have more Republicans than some other communities.

Remember this?

Yet, you ignored my call to have a rational discussion about whether or not we re-open our schools and instead talked about the urban dictionary definition of "Karen." What does that have to do w/schools?

You also ignored Rocket's comments about Trump and vaginas. And 888's masked profanity for another name of that body part. What do those things have to do w/re-opening schools?

You ignored all the posts that placed the blame for re-opening schools on Trump. Anyone w/any sense knows that he wasn't the reason we re-opened schools.

You say you are not keeping score, but it doesn't take a mathematician to know the score.

I posted the urban dictionary to try to end that argument between people with some levity hoping that the thread got back on track.

As for the other stuff, long week of work and didn't feel like getting involved in a serious discussion about anything tonight.

Take that for what you will .
As for masked profanity and trumps and vaginas, I am not a moderator. I don't feel the need to always try to police the board. I often skim posts and if they are not interesting or frankly if they are too long, I mostly skip them. To be honest I missed any masked profanity - either by skipping over it or not getting it at all.

As for Trump being responsible for re-opening schools, I would never say that he is completely responsible but no way you can say he bears no responsibility. He may not be the direct decision maker but he has been exerting influence over those that do. Republican governors are especially susceptible because Trump can really hurt their political futures. Do you disagree?

No problem, Jester. Just remember it was you who called me out first. I didn't call you out. I simply responded to you.

How about this.............you converse w/888, Pit, Rocket, Swish, OCD, and Perfect and keep my name out of your mouth?

In return, I won't talk to you, either.

Deal?

A Gallup poll from late May and early June found the most favorable perspectives on returning to school buildings. Fifty-six percent of parents said they wanted to return to full-time in-person instruction, while 37% preferred a hybrid approach

How about deal for this thread or this forum?
I enjoy our interaction elsewhere

Last time I checked, it has been you that has called me out on these types of threads rather than the other way around.

Whatever..........we just don't have enough people who actually want to have a rational discussion. It's always about "sides." Freaking dumb.

Thursday, July 23, 2020

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of American Adults who have children of elementary or secondary school age believe schools in their community should reopen in the fall. Thirty-two percent (32%) disagree, while 11% are undecided.

Do you think anything has changed since this poll was conducted.? Do you believe the results would be similar now? I dont believe so.