It's only in your head and those like you that want to lump the looters and rioters in 100% with the protesters and make them all part of the same initial group.
Never said that once. Please get a better understanding of what someone is saying before replying.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
And there you have it. The false narrative you just can't seem to help yourself from perpetuating. There is overwhelming evidence that shows there are many groups involved in these riots. Everything from liberal to conservative groups.
Yet you can't seem to help yourself from posting from a man that has no way of substantiating which groups these rioters belong to. You can stop pretending this isn't what you're doing. It's disinformation in the highest degree.
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All the cities rife with Violence and murder are run by Democrats and have been run by Democrats for 15 years.
When are people going to wake up and realize its time to try a different approach. Put in a Republican in Chicago, NY, etc...what do you have to lose at this point? Nothing...the Democrats are running these cities into the ground.
Take New York City for example
People are leaving in Droves, when NY Govenor Cuomo acknowledges it:
“I literally talk to people all day long who are in their Hamptons house who also lived here . . . or in their Connecticut weekend house, and I say, ‘You gotta come back,’ ” he related. He even offered to cook dinner.
No luck; they’re not returning. Instead, they’re thinking: “If I stay there, I pay a lower income tax, because they don’t pay the New York City surcharge,” he added.
Cuomo’s right: Some of the city’s wealthiest neighborhoods lost as many as 40 percent of their residents between March and May, thanks to the COVID-19 outbreak.
And new levies — a billionaires’ tax, an ultra-millionaires’ tax, etc. are among several ideas Dems are eyeing to plug Albany’s $30 billion two-year budget hole — will only push the rich to flee permanently. Taking their tax money with them.
It’s no coincidence, after all, that New York, where “1 percent of the population pays 50 percent of the taxes,” as Cuomo notes, has been steadily losing residents
the 1% that pays 50% of the taxes in New York City are leaving. They are done...NY will be in trouble in a few years begging for a Federal bailout.
Again, these cities have been run by Democrats for 15 years and they are poor, violent, over run by murders like Chicago and Detroit....when are people going to wake up and realize Democrat polices have FAILED in these cities...the Dems have had 15 years and can't fix anything, bout time people woke up and gave the other party a chance they couldn't possibly do any worse.
Im sorry but its horse **** that 1% pays over 50% of the total tax revenue. That's just insane. Who would want to live in a **** hole where they penalize you for success.
I think early on, in the first week or so, the rioting and looting was largely done by legitimate protestors.. maybe even a lot who didn't go there with that in mind, but hey, when somebody busts out a window and it's free stuff and nobody is getting caught.. why not.
As it dragged into later weeks it became pretty evident that the violence was overwhelmingly caused by white people. In fact the majority of people at the protests and riots were white people. I would assume it was some mix of whites trying to make BLM look bad, others who thought they were standing up for "the cause", and probably some were just punks who thought they could get away with being destructive but had no real agenda.
Saw a stat the other day that support for BLM passed 30%, up about 7% from it's recent high... I bet 4 or 5 weeks ago it was a lot higher than that.. but this dragging out the violence and the riots is eroding support.
I don't disagree with any of that. I think maybe the % of opportunists who aren't part of the protesting is maybe higher than you suggest - initially and all the time since - but there's no way to prove that one way or the other.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
It's only in your head and those like you that want to lump the looters and rioters in 100% with the protesters and make them all part of the same initial group.
Never said that once. Please get a better understanding of what someone is saying before replying.
Well if the rioters and looters are different than the peaceful protesters - which is what you seem to suggest here - then you can't use your analogy of bad cops within the police force. You see that right? Bad Cops are still cops. If rioters are not the same as/part of peaceful protesters your analogy falls has no basis.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Andy Cuong Ngô is an American conservative social media activist and journalist best known for covering street protests in Portland, Oregon. He is editor at large of The Post Millennial, a Canadian conservative news website. Wikipedia Born: 1986 (age 34 years), Portland, OR Nationality: American Education: University of California, Los Angeles (2009), Portland State University"
Until recently, he was pretty much not known
What is your argument here? The videos speak for themselves.
Andy Cuong Ngô is an American conservative social media activist and journalist best known for covering street protests in Portland, Oregon. He is editor at large of The Post Millennial, a Canadian conservative news website. Wikipedia Born: 1986 (age 34 years), Portland, OR Nationality: American Education: University of California, Los Angeles (2009), Portland State University"
Until recently, he was pretty much not known
What is your argument here? The videos speak for themselves.
NO THEY DON'T! Context is everything and NGOs bias and narration twists the facts from the first word. Point to one single shred of proof that these people are ANTIFA. You got nothing but his word.
Andy Cuong Ngô is an American conservative social media activist and journalist best known for covering street protests in Portland, Oregon. He is editor at large of The Post Millennial, a Canadian conservative news website. Wikipedia Born: 1986 (age 34 years), Portland, OR Nationality: American Education: University of California, Los Angeles (2009), Portland State University"
Until recently, he was pretty much not known
What is your argument here? The videos speak for themselves.
NO THEY DON'T! Context is everything and NGOs bias and narration twists the facts from the first word. Point to one single shred of proof that these people are ANTIFA. You got nothing but his word.
Yeah we know bro, it's definitely right wing white supremacists burning federal courthouses in the name of BLM.
You really haven't been following the news have you? Many groups have been associated with these riots. Yes, some conservative. Arrests have been made by many people not associated with Antifa. Many are simply anti government anarchists.
Once again people love to just spout things without knowing what's actually going on here.
What we do and don't know about the extremists taking part in riots across the US
3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests
My favorite part of these antifa morons, are how people on the left side seem to be ok with it because antifa stands for anti-fascist, and "it's just like our soldiers in ww2 who were also fighting fascists!"
Like, uh, no? You can't just destroy property and assault people and call yourself antifa. That's not how this works.
I also don't really buy into them being some huge organization. I don't think they are really organized at all. It's just people using the BLM movement as a way to destroy property.
I've even seen them talking about how they basically just want to take down the whole country, which is hilarious. If they only put that kind of effort into going out and trying to get a job!
Morons. Sorry, not sorry.
And no, I am not going to just loop these guys in with the BLM protestors. They aren't the same. I'm so tired of white hipsters trying to speak for everyone. Go back to your mom's basement and get a job.
Everybody at the protests are just wild hippies who don't have jobs... get off my lawn! smh
I'm not a hipster and don't live in a basement and I'm damn tired of backwoods toothless hicks driving the conversation about where our country needs to go... go back to your caves! And most on the left are educated and have better paying jobs.
oh believe me know how educated the left are, they will absolutely let you know.
Just for the record, I don't play for either side. Conservatives are just as terrible as liberals are.
I tend to agree with more liberal opinions and theories, but my god do liberals love to hear themselves talk, and they absolutely love to speak for minorities.
So, thank you for taking my comment to heart, and also taking it 100% seriously, cause obviously I think every protestor is some jobless hippie.
Most people that others 'claim" to be on the left think criminal activity should be punished by the justice system no matter who commits those crimes. Of course there are those on the fringe who feel differently but it's certainly not reflective of those people labeled as being on the left.
It's also not true that all of those doing the rioting associate themselves with Antifa.
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Most people that others 'claim" to be on the left think criminal activity should be punished by the justice system no matter who commits those crimes. Of course there are those on the fringe who feel differently but it's certainly not reflective of those people labeled as being on the left.
It's also not true that all of those doing the rioting associate themselves with Antifa.
100%.
I am in Chicago and there has been a spike this week. People stealing from Michigan Ave stores, and of course, nobody here doing anything about it.
This activity isn't BLM or antifa. Its just people taking advantage of the situation. These people are scum.
You won't catch me protecting rioters, but I also won't let the left be smeared for what I think is mostly a right wing narrative and sparked by criminal altright actors using the protests as camouflage. If you steal and get caught you should go to jail. If you destroy business or homes you should go to jail. I do not count toppling controversial statues as part of that destruction. Nor do I think that more than a few percent of protesters are involved in the violence and should be condemned or stopped for it.
There was a clip going around the Chicago area from the local news where a woman involved with BLM was trying to excuse all the looting because of reparations. Yeah, no, that's not how that works. Nice try though.
Also, excusing any of the looting or destruction by saying "they have insurance" is one of the funniest, most uneducated (hey, speaking of education) takes I have ever heard. No, that doesn't excuse it at all. These people don't understand how insurance works.
And again, that ladies comments that were televised for everyone to see does not speak for everyone involved in these protests. This is just one really terrible opinion that made the rounds.
True or not about it being BLM, or antifa........that's just sad.
The people doing it don't realize the harm they are doing, not only to the businesses, buildings, etc - but the harm they are doing to the city. It will create a lack of desire to visit. When it's happening in the loop, the miracle mile, Michigan avenue, what ever you want to call it - the city isn't safe.
what if i'm a minority who loves speaking for white people?
what a paradox.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
True or not about it being BLM, or antifa........that's just sad.
The people doing it don't realize the harm they are doing, not only to the businesses, buildings, etc - but the harm they are doing to the city. It will create a lack of desire to visit. When it's happening in the loop, the miracle mile, Michigan avenue, what ever you want to call it - the city isn't safe.
It's a huge chip in the city's tourism sector. Tourism is obviously down, but these kinds of actions can really hurt so many businesses which in turn can harm the job scene down there. Hotels, restaurants, stores, etc.
I have zero interest in going down there right now.
And believe me, Chicago PD needs a serious reform project. There have been incidents throughout the years where the police did not act correctly.
The protests are just. The destruction and looting aren't.
Wife and I certainly planning ANY weekend get a way there.
And yes, we have been there many, many times. In the past.
Same thing will happen for us, in Cleveland, IF there is football this year. If they are looting and rioting and all kinds of crap downtown? We'll just skip spending the weekend there.
I love the Browns, I love the city. I'm just not going to go IF that happens. Shoot, I turned down a double header softball game locally, because it was scheduled for the NFL's opening day.
Colorado Springs officer suspended after investigation finds he posted "Kill them all" on protest livestream
Colorado Springs officer suspended after investigation finds he posted "Kill them all" on protest livestream
By Jordan Freiman
August 11, 2020 / 10:43 PM / CBS News
A Colorado Springs police officer has been temporarily suspended and transferred after an internal investigation revealed he used a fake name on Facebook to post comments that called for violence against protesters, CBS Denver reports. Sergeant Keith Wrede responded to a livestream of a protest in late June with the comments "KILL THEM ALL" and "KILL EM ALL" while using a Facebook profile with the name Steven Eric, the investigation found.
Wrede allegedly made the comments on June 30, when a group of Black Lives Matter protesters shut down traffic on Interstate 25 for a little over an hour. According to CBS Denver, most demonstrators dispersed before law enforcement ever arrived.
"It was determined that the comments were made off-duty out of frustration and there was no indication of any physical action or intent to cause harm," CSPD Chief Vince Niski said in an open letter. "I am in no way minimizing Sergeant Wrede's words. His comments were unacceptable, have damaged our relationship with members of our community, and fell short of our standards."
In the letter, Niski also defended not firing the officer.
"While his statements were harmful and reprehensible, I cannot deprive the community of a good police officer and his services because of an isolated incident of an error in judgment," Niski stated. "We hope that you can accept our apology and be assured that the CSPD and Sgt. Wrede will continue to faithfully serve the public."
Wrede was given a 40-hour suspension and was forced to give up more than $2,000 in wages. He was also removed from his specialized unit and reassignment to a different position in the department, CBS Denver reports.
You really haven't been following the news have you? Many groups have been associated with these riots. Yes, some conservative. Arrests have been made by many people not associated with Antifa. Many are simply anti government anarchists.
Once again people love to just spout things without knowing what's actually going on here.
What we do and don't know about the extremists taking part in riots across the US
3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests
This isn't a one size fits all some of you would like to portray.
It's funny what a title or heading says and what quotes actually show.
Federal law enforcement sees extremists across spectrum Quote from National Security advisor..." On CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday, national security adviser Robert O'Brien said, "These Antifa groups are organized and use Molotov cocktails and fireworks and gas to burn down our cities." Asked by CNN's Jake Tapper about far-right groups participating in the violence, O'Brien said: "I haven't seen the reports on far-right groups. This is being driven by Antifa."
"Denver Mayor Michael Hancock told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Sunday he "wouldn't be surprised if Antifa" was behind some of the actions in his city. "We don't have the specific information they're directly engaged, but we have intel, we have watched and intercepted, frankly, groups coming into Denver. We have confiscated weapons, including assault weapons, that were heading to the demonstrations."
"In New York, investigators are also searching social media to identify leaders who are trying to get protestors to gather to incite violence, a law enforcement official told CNN. Investigators there have seen antagonizers more affiliated with Antifa and far-left causes, and not necessarily white supremacist groups."
There was one report shown by Milk Man a few months ago involving a riot started by a far right group. So far that has been it and I condemned it. But feel free to post videos of others, and I will denounce it as much as anyone, but don't pretend what we've seen in Portland, Seattle, and Chicago is due to far-right extremists.
From the other article: As demonstrations spread from Minneapolis to the White House, New York City and overseas, federal law enforcement officials insisted far-left groups were stoking violence. Meanwhile, experts who track extremist groups also reported seeing evidence of the far-right at work."
And I would welcome the outcome of these experts tracking far-right groups. Because after these reports came out, please point out what they found tied the consistent rioting we've seen.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Several buildings damaged; courthouse closed again Thursday
RICHMOND, Va. (WWBT) - Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney says overnight rioting left 22 windows damaged at the John Marshall Courts Building and a trail of damage at other businesses in parts of downtown.
“If you want to break windows, damage property, vandalize and undermine this moment of pain, you’re going to be alone doing that,” said Stoney. Stoney said the group called Richmond Strike is responsible for the damage. Vandals sprayed graffiti in the area. Other buildings that were damaged include the Wells Fargo building, the Omni hotel and a Starbucks.
That group organized a Tuesday night solidarity event with other cities, they say, are fighting back against police brutality. Police say four people - Julius Dela Cruz, Lakshmi Menon, Kyra Nguyen and Brian Quach - were charged with rioting.
“The vandalism of our courts building and downtown businesses last night was unacceptable and misguided,” said Mayor Levar Stoney in a statement. “Those working peacefully for change are welcome here. Those intent on creating chaos and confrontation, who riot and commit violence against our community, will go to jail. Period.”
Officers seized several items, including a metal crowbar and a hammer from those arrested. Richmond strike is not offering up any comment at this point. NBC12 did reach out. Online, the group says it’s an autonomous decentralized network for direct action in Richmond.
Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney says overnight rioting left 22 windows damaged at the John Marshall Courts Building and a trail of damage at other businesses in parts of downtown.
“What happened at the courthouse was a travesty and the people who did this should be ashamed of themselves because they are the ones who are denying other people the access to justice they say they have been denied,” said Colette McEachin, Richmond Commonwealth’s Attorney.
That includes the now-delayed sentencing of Quinshawn Betts. He was supposed to go before a judge Wednesday, but with court closed that didn’t happen. Betts is guilty of second-degree murder in the killing of 9-year-old Markiya Dickson during a Memorial Day weekend cookout.
“Markyia Dickson’s family was coming to court today to finally see one of the murderers of their daughters sentenced and that couldn’t happen because court was closed because people did this,” said McEachin.
There was a clip going around the Chicago area from the local news where a woman involved with BLM was trying to excuse all the looting because of reparations. Yeah, no, that's not how that works. Nice try though.
Also, excusing any of the looting or destruction by saying "they have insurance" is one of the funniest, most uneducated (hey, speaking of education) takes I have ever heard. No, that doesn't excuse it at all. These people don't understand how insurance works.
And again, that ladies comments that were televised for everyone to see does not speak for everyone involved in these protests. This is just one really terrible opinion that made the rounds.
And what evidence does Ngo have that they belong to Antifa other than he said so?
And yes, the articles I gave links to were not bias. They gave opinions from both sides. Of course you only posted the parts that bolstered your side.
Like I said, there's no real evidence either way except there have actually been arrests by members of groups other than the one you wish to blame everything on. Propaganda is posting things without any actual basis in fact. That's what you keep doing by only blaming one group when many are involved.
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the second they start rioting open fire on them with rubber bullets, tear gas, and just keep tossing flash bangs till their ears are bleeding..I want all of them laying on the ground writing in pain so we can move in and arrest these people and haul them away to jail.
We have been way to hands off on this nonsense. We have given up too much ground and allowed these violent people to get away with far too much.
If your present for a riot, your part of it and should be charged...don't want to be charged, leave when people start rioting...its that simple.
We need to be apprehending these people by any means and dragging them into court on terrorism charges... enough is enough.
So if you are engaged in peaceful protests and a small percentage of the people there start engaging in criminal activity, gas them all, shoot them all with rubber bullets and flash grenades?
It's rather odd how up until now the right has refused to call any American criminal a "terrorists" until the people engaging in criminal activity are liberals. They shoot up our schools, commit mass murders in synagogues, yet none of them are labeled terrorists.
We certainly agree that those committing crimes need to be arrested and convicted for their crimes. There is no excuse for that.
The crimes they are committing are things like arson, vandalism, looting and a few others. We have laws on the books for those crimes. Punishments are already in place for those crimes. I support those laws and sentence guidelines be enforced.
Making up new special crimes and calling them terrorists because you don't like the people committing them is an extremist viewpoint.
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Doesn't matter. This has been some of the silliest arguments I've seen on here. Who is Andy Ngo? Doesn't matter. (This is the craziest to me. The videos speak for themselves, doesn't matter if Mickey Mouse posted them. DUH!) What if it's not Antifa? Doesn't matter. What if it's the alt-right? Doesn't matter.
So the narrative goes from "well, it's not really that violent" to "the violence subsided when the feds left" to "yeah there's still violence, but we don't know who is responsible".
We're talking about all that trash, arguing senseless points, etc...
You know what we're not talking about?
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