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And they never mention what a great plan Trump said he had for his second term...

"But so I think, I think it would be, I think it would be very, very, I think we'd have a very, very solid, we would continue what we're doing, we'd solidify what we've done, and we have other things on our plate that we want to get done," Trump told The New York Times' Peter Baker.


Yes! I like it, and he forgot to throw in an
" and that I can tell you. "

H'bout this.
" Hey Trump what are you going to do?"
possible answer, " I'm not going to let Pelosi and Schumur ruin your lives"

me: Ok Good deal, Great plan, thumbsup and that I CAN tell you.

oh, Biden's plan?
Nationwide Business shutdown for Covid Fear.

Hey did anybody mention TRUMP's GOT A COVID VACCINE COMING OUT IN LATE OCTOBER 2020? nanner

Biden's plan?
Nationwide business shutdown for Covid Fear, and 4 trillion in tax increases, ok, ok,
to dems credit, I'll say I understand it'll spread out over 10 years, the tax increases,

OH, and give all leverage back to the Chinese in trade,
I'll just guess on the next one: (Make it easier for illegal immigrants, (but how can a person be illegal, a person can't be illegal, just in the country without authorization thus so, a non citizen not should be here)
-easier for them to get health insurance, and probably unemployment, social security other things, than people from , maybe the Midwest whose families, familes were born here, (not just anchor baby born here).
I'm just guessing on that one, but Biden raised his hand at the primary debate.

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Man, the Dems are pulling out all stops.

All I know is that I am not supporting a party that wants to punish hard-working folks like my family by raising our taxes and giving out handouts to the shiftless and excusing criminal activity.

It's not about the man running for office. It's about policies and how those policies affect people that aren't rich or poor, but have to work for a freaking living while supporting the free-loaders. Shock journalism might work on some, but I bet there are a ton of Americans who feel exactly the way I do.

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The shock journalism has been particularly thick the last couple of days.

Interesting timing. LOL


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'll take law enforcement and Trump!


Trump Endorsements Represent over 900,000 Officers; Biden Endorsed by D.A. ‘Who Won’t Charge Rioters’

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5 Sep 2020


Tim Murtaugh, communications director for the Trump reelection campaign, notes that President Trump is endorsed by organizations representing over 900,000 law enforcement officers while Democrat challenger Joe Biden is endorsed by the Portland District Attorney “who won’t charge rioters.”

Murtaugh tweeted:

On August 11, 2020, KPTV reported that “Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt … will not prosecute certain charges stemming from the ongoing protests in Portland.”

Schmidt’s office indicated that the decision to not pursue charges was made to “promote a safe community and reduce the negative and lasting impacts a person can experience once involved in the criminal justice system following an arrest resulting from a peaceful protest or mass demonstration.”

On September 4, 2020, Fox News reported Schmidt’s endorsement of Biden. Schmidt was one of just over 175 former law enforcement officials to endorse Biden.

On August 24, 2020, Breitbart News reported Trump receiving the enthusiastic endorsement of the New York City Police Benevolent Association, a police union of New York City police officers. That union alone represents 24,000 officers.

On September 5, 2020, Fox 35 reported that the national Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) endorsed Trump. That endorsement represents over 355,000 FOP members.

Murtaugh emphasized the hundreds thousands of law enforcement personnel represented by organizations that are endorsing Trump for reelection:

The crown jewels of Joe Biden’s ‘law enforcement coalition’ are the Portland prosecutor who won’t prosecute rioters and the Seattle mayor who withdrew police from the autonomous zone and abandoned a police precinct. If you remove the current and former elected Democrats, he’s down to only a handful of real, actual cops.

There’s a reason that all national police organizations, representing more than 900,000 police officers, have endorsed President Trump. They know the President has their back and supports law enforcement against the mob.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/...charge-rioters/

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You do know he's been the president during this entire time, right? So now you want to keep him in office to do what got us to where we are now? Brilliant!


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Over 190 law enforcement officials endorse Biden

https://www.axios.com/biden-trump-law-enforcement-fbe1d3bd-bb75-4e60-b022-d2c17f68055e.html

Breitbart lies are not welcome.


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A Fox News reporter confirmed The Atlantic’s story about Trump insulting fallen troops. Fox hosts are still calling it a hoax.

The new bombshell report from The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg, reporting that President Donald Trump had repeatedly disparaged fallen U.S. troops as “losers” and “suckers,” has now been confirmed by a rather unexpected media voice: Fox News national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin. This latest confirmation comes after Fox’s previous coverage of the story continually backed Trump’s denials.

Griffin’s reporting corroborated multiple details of The Atlantic’s article: That Trump simply didn’t want to drive to the World War I cemetery, though it was possible to do so; that he did not want wounded veterans included in his July 4, 2019, military parade, calling it “not a good look”; and that Trump maintained an obsessive hatred of the late Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — Trump had famously insulted McCain’s history as a prisoner of war in 2015 — and opposed lowering the American flag to half-staff when McCain died in 2018.

One of Griffin’s sources even added another detail: “When the president spoke about the Vietnam War, he said, ‘It was a stupid war. Anyone who went was a sucker.’”

This of course, completely contradicts Fox News coverage earlier on Friday, in which the network’s commentators insisted that The Atlantic article had to be completely false.

Indeed, in the early evening right after Griffin’s report, co-host Greg Gutfeld continued to dispute the story on The Five, alleging that it was a media plot that seemed to be “created in a lab” to politically target military families ahead of the election.

And as Justin Baragona of The Daily Beast also pointed out, while Fox’s pushback against The Atlantic article hinged on its anonymous sourcing, “without a hint of irony, Fox News correspondent John Roberts on Friday morning cited on-air two anonymous sources refuting the bombshell report, claiming ‘the president never said that according to both of these sources.’”

The Associated Press has obtained its own confirmation of The Atlantic’s story, from a senior Defense Department official and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer, and The Washington Post has also reported further damaging details: “In one account, the president told senior advisers that he didn’t understand why the U.S. government placed such value on finding soldiers missing in action because they had performed poorly and gotten caught and deserved what they got, according to a person familiar with the discussion.”

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fo...roops-fox-hosts

Trump calls for Fox News journalist to be fired for report on war dead scandal

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/205504668...ar-dead-scandal


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Man, the Dems are pulling out all stops.

All I know is that I am not supporting a party that wants to punish hard-working folks like my family by raising our taxes and giving out handouts to the shiftless and excusing criminal activity.

It's not about the man running for office. It's about policies and how those policies affect people that aren't rich or poor, but have to work for a freaking living while supporting the free-loaders. Shock journalism might work on some, but I bet there are a ton of Americans who feel exactly the way I do.


Yeah, that damned FOX News hates Trump!

rofl

You are supporting everything you claim to hate.


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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Boaters are enjoying the blue waves, today!



Speaking of Trump's boat parades...

Trump Boat Parade Organizer Charged With Felony

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-boat-parade-trump-carlos-gavidia-1529086


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Boaters are enjoying the blue waves, today!



Speaking of Trump's boat parades...

Trump Boat Parade Organizer Charged With Felony

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-boat-parade-trump-carlos-gavidia-1529086


Liars, conmen, bigots, grifters.... they flock to trump for a reason. He’s a reflection of them.


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4 years ago I took a road trip through Ohio and noticed that the only signs I saw anywhere were for Trump. Done the same again this year, maybe on a smaller scale. There's certainly more Trump signs out in people's yards then there are Biden signs. However this time there are much fewer Trump signs, and there's significantly more Biden signs than there were Hillary signs. in fact I don't remember seeing a single Hillary sign last time .... Good news.

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4 years ago I took a road trip through Ohio and noticed that the only signs I saw anywhere were for Trump. Done the same again this year, maybe on a smaller scale. There's certainly more Trump signs out in people's yards then there are Biden signs. However this time there are much fewer Trump signs, and there's significantly more Biden signs than there were Hillary signs. in fact I don't remember seeing a single Hillary sign last time .... Good news.


Given the TDS by the leftist on this board, I wouldn't doubt if a little of this is going on grin :


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That's what you call all of the terrible things Trump says or does. You call it TDS because you have no excuse for his childish and divisive behavior. But that's what little Johnnies parents do at school. They blame the chaos he spreads on everyone else.


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I'm voting for Trump because I think the Democratic party and media are enemies of the middle-class, hard-working families.

Turn your back on us and we'll turn our back on you. Good luck.

Wealth distribution?
Reparations?
Defunding the police?
Stricter gun laws?
Allowing criminals to walk because of their race?
Free housing?

Kiss my ass!

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Your free to vote for whoever you wish and everyone should respect that without name calling or telling you what that mean to them in a derogatory fashion .... But you've talked about your wife's income.... And it's top 5% so the notion that you are part of the middle class is a fallicy. You may well still hold on to some middle class values And may choose to live life and budget as if your middle class. But by definition being in the top 5 % of income earners is not middle class. Not a knock or a criticism, it just struck me when You said "us"


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As for free stuff ...I wonder if anyone knows how much free money the Trump admin has given to the farmers because of the trade war with China?? I know it was billions.


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4 years ago you took a road trip through ohio?

I wish I knew where the trip stopped, started, and went in between. There are a lot of different roads in Ohio and I'm beyond sure I could find you some different enviroments to enjoy depending on what roads you chose to take on the trip.

The same with most of America.


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As for free stuff ...I wonder if anyone knows how much free money the Trump admin has given to the farmers because of the trade war with China?? I know it was billions.


BLM is just a prop for the democratic party.
When you go on their website to "donate" the company you are donating to is actually a PAC dedicated to raising funds for democratic candidates.
It is named actblue.

Go check it out and see for yourself.

BLM is a total fake front for getting liberals elected.

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4 years ago it was work based although a light week ...landed in Columbus, spent time in Canal Winchester and Lancaster before driving north but staying off 71 thru a number of small towns including Wooster and ending up in Chesterland ... no matter where I went all I saw was Trump signs.

This week we've been in Cleveland area driving up 77 from NC but really driving around Chardon, Willoughby, Mentor, Chagrin Falls and Chesterland.

One of the things I love about being back is seeing so many Browns tops and jerseys no matter what day of the week... I live in Charlotte and only really see Panthers being supported heavily on game days when they are playing at home... Browns fans are different and I love it.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg

BLM is just a prop for the democratic party.
When you go on their website to "donate" the company you are donating to is actually a PAC dedicated to raising funds for democratic candidates.
It is named actblue.

Go check it out and see for yourself.

BLM is a total fake front for getting liberals elected.


I believe you -- but don't really understand how this is a criticism?

It's no different than a Pro-Life Organization having a donation button that tries to get more Republicans elected to congress (ostensibly because it believes they would push more restrictions on abortion).

BLM advocates for the equal rights for minorities, and for more restrictions on police brutality. This is currently much more aligned with the Democratic Party (look no further than what politicians on both sides say about it) -- it is not surprising, or a bad thing, that they would want to try and get more Democrats elected.


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I feel in Columbus it's way easier to find a BLM sign than a Biden sign, this time, if that means anything.

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Originally Posted By: mgh888
4 years ago it was work based although a light week ...landed in Columbus, spent time in Canal Winchester and Lancaster before driving north but staying off 71 thru a number of small towns including Wooster and ending up in Chesterland ... no matter where I went all I saw was Trump signs.

This week we've been in Cleveland area driving up 77 from NC but really driving around Chardon, Willoughby, Mentor, Chagrin Falls and Chesterland.

One of the things I love about being back is seeing so many Browns tops and jerseys no matter what day of the week... I live in Charlotte and only really see Panthers being supported heavily on game days when they are playing at home... Browns fans are different and I love it.


I think I mentioned this before. I drove the backroads between BG and Toledo a while back, and the Trump signs far outnumbered the Biden signs (I think I only saw one Biden sign once I got out of town. These were mostly upscale rural homes. You can't tell me that they're all dumb racists and bigots as one poster implied. There's a reason that these people are willing to re-elect the arrogant bastage, and calling them names and thinking they're stupid just reinforces that reason. I'm not whoring out my vote to either of these candidates.


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I take a lot of rides on the motorcycle, and There are approx 8 Trump signs to each Biden sign in Columbiana and Mahoning counties.


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Trump Reportedly Spent $58 Million In Campaign Funds On Legal Fees And Compliance

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September 6, 2020, 10:42 AM EDT

President Donald Trump has commandeered an astonishing $58.4 million in campaign donations for legal and compliance fees, The New York Times reported Saturday.

The president has treated campaign coffers like his own “piggy bank,” sending millions to law firms for whatever battle he wants to fight, including some protecting his own interests, according to the Times.

The legal fees are in addition to the contributions that Trump is funneling into his own pockets by charging his campaign and the Republican National Committee for lodging, event space and catering. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago golf resort hoovered up some $400,000 in just two days for a campaign event earlier this year. As of last year, his businesses had collected nearly $17 million since he launched his first presidential campaign.

His campaign is also paying Eric Trump’s wife, Lara Trump, and Donald Trump Jr.’s girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, $180,000 a year each for work, HuffPost has reported.

As for legal expenses, Trump had lawyers seek $1 million in damages from a former campaign aide who had accused another aide of sexual harassment and discrimination, the Times reported.

Trump also reportedly lassoed campaign donations to help him fight a California law that would have blocked him from running in the state unless he released his tax returns. That fight and others handled by the same firm cost his campaign and the RNC $1.8 million in legal fees, according to the Times.

In addition, the president and campaign associates hired lawyers to aid staff and family members — including Donald Trump Jr. and son-in-law Jared Kushner — when they were targeted in Russia and Ukraine probes. The RNC has already paid some $2.5 million in legal bills for that and other legal work, according to the Times.

The president has racked up a total in legal and compliance fees of at least $58.4 million since 2015 from Trump campaign and RNC contributions, according to data gathered by the Times and the Campaign Finance Institute.

Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee spent a fraction of that — $10.7 million — on legal and compliance expenses in the same period of time beginning in 2007.

“Vindicating President Trump’s personal interests is now so intertwined with the interests of the Republican Party they are one and the same — and that includes the legal fights the party is paying for now,” campaign finance lawyer Matthew T. Sanderson told the Times.

The White House refused to respond to the Times’ request for comment.


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There's a reason that these people are willing to re-elect the arrogant bastage, and calling them names and thinking they're stupid just reinforces that reason.


I have never understood why the left continues to employ this strategy. I think there were so many voters who are middle of the road in their political alliances or only lean slightly right who were ripe for recruiting due to Trump's personality and instead of actively recruiting those people w/logic and reason, the left decides to alienate that group by calling them names like Nazis, racists, and fascists while supporting rioters, looters, and protestors. superconfused crazy

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Why does the RIGHT pretend to have the moral high ground while supporting a "known liar", Trump.


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I think one of the things that confuses a lot of people on the "if you vote for trump you are a racist" front is that not all people who vote for trump are racist etc, but "all" racists vote for trump - I put "all" in quotes because I am sure it isn't actually every single one.

Since so many racist vote for trump the lines get blurred and people start feeling that if you vote for trump you must be racist.

My feeling is that for the majority of people who are Republican it is bacause they are passionate about a single issue but that issue varies for the individual. I see those reasons as:

1, Abortion - there are some people so anti-abortion that they will vote Republican no matter what.

2, 2nd Amendment people - There is a real fear that Dems will "take away your guns"

3, CEO's - The Republican Party give big companies such an benefit in corporate tax breaks but more so with deregulation, particularly reduction in environmental protections.

4, Racism - If you don't like blacks or latinos you vote republican.

5, Family tradition - My dad was Republican, his dad was Republican so I am Republican, I have always voted Republican so I am going to keep doing so. It feels like a lot of farmer's fall into this category.

6, The economy does better with a Republican President. While there is a lot of evidence that this is not true, many people believe this and vote Republican for this reason.

Now I am sure this is not a completely inclusive list for why people vote Republican but to me, it seems as if most Republicans get so passionate about 1 or 2 of these that they become devout in there allegiance to the Republican party. JMO

Note that this does not apply people who vote Republican some time and Democrat at other times.


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I see it as the pot calling the kettle black. I don't see how those on the right consider it any different than the things they employ. You have 93% of the protests being peaceful. The vast majority of the protestors are there because they want to stop police brutality. Yet they avoid discussing that like the plague.

They concentrate their efforts on focusing on the 7% of the violent protests and even then, those being violent are a small percentage of the protestors in those crowds. Then they try and claim this is what the Democratic party stands for. They ignore that Biden has been speaking out against the violence since the end of May and act like that didn't happen.

Trump is a man who is the epitome of the very type of person they have always seemed to stand against. He has a history of not being faithful, not being honest, being a liar and being nothing less than a hateful and vile human being.

When looking at their actions, they are the very definition of what they claim to despise and no less guilty of what they accuse others of.

When just looking at this board in general you will see that what they are doing is obvious. There are what, two or maybe three posters that claim Trump voters are all racists? Somehow they wish to depict that as some wide spread thing. Yet it's not.

I certainly would never call all Trump voters racists or Nazi's. What I will say is those who support and vote for him certainly have no problem electing a man who emboldens Nazi's and racists as our president.


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I think one of the things that confuses a lot of people on the "if you vote for trump you are a racist" front is that not all people who vote for trump are racist etc, but "all" racists vote for trump - I put "all" in quotes because I am sure it isn't actually every single one.

Since so many racist vote for trump the lines get blurred and people start feeling that if you vote for trump you must be racist.

My feeling is that for the majority of people who are Republican it is bacause they are passionate about a single issue but that issue varies for the individual. I see those reasons as:

1, Abortion - there are some people so anti-abortion that they will vote Republican no matter what.

2, 2nd Amendment people - There is a real fear that Dems will "take away your guns"

3, CEO's - The Republican Party give big companies such an benefit in corporate tax breaks but more so with deregulation, particularly reduction in environmental protections.

4, Racism - If you don't like blacks or latinos you vote republican.

5, Family tradition - My dad was Republican, his dad was Republican so I am Republican, I have always voted Republican so I am going to keep doing so. It feels like a lot of farmer's fall into this category.

6, The economy does better with a Republican President. While there is a lot of evidence that this is not true, many people believe this and vote Republican for this reason.

Now I am sure this is not a completely inclusive list for why people vote Republican but to me, it seems as if most Republicans get so passionate about 1 or 2 of these that they become devout in there allegiance to the Republican party. JMO

Note that this does not apply people who vote Republican some time and Democrat at other times.




Though you did not put it in your list, this post is precisely why people will vote republican. Every item in your list indicates a fault in one's thinking, as if there's no rational purpose to vote republican. Do you realize how insulting this is? You're more apt to provoke a rebellious response/action than to persuade someone to consider the other side. At least you actually considered why someone might vote that way other than saying they're ignorant, racist or sexist.

To simplify to the extreme, people are voting republican because of strong conservative beliefs (and rightly or wrongly) are fearful of a liberal government. You didn't mention that at all.


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It's funny... we drove about 20 miles to see relatives and just counted signs.

13 Trump
2 Firewood for Sale
1 Biden (tied for third with "Live Bait")

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Yet Trump has not shown himself to be a conservative nor has his life displayed conservative values. IMO this is why many actual conservatives who promote conservative values are speaking out against Trump and are voting Biden.

I've never seen conservatives nor Republicans in the numbers I've seen this year speak out and promote voting Democratic in the presidential election like this before. I believe there are many who recognize just how much Trump actually hurts the conservative brand.


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It's funny... we drove about 20 miles to see relatives and just counted signs.

13 Trump
2 Firewood for Sale
1 Biden (tied for third with "Live Bait")

rofl



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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Yet Trump has not shown himself to be a conservative nor has his life displayed conservative values. IMO this is why many actual conservatives who promote conservative values are speaking out against Trump and are voting Biden.

I've never seen conservatives nor Republicans in the numbers I've seen this year speak out and promote voting Democratic in the presidential election like this before. I believe there are many who recognize just how much Trump actually hurts the conservative brand.


I was responding to a post discussing why people are voting republican, not why they aren't.


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There are two sides to that coin. I see you would rather ignore the other side of it.


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I think one of the things that confuses a lot of people on the "if you vote for trump you are a racist" front is that not all people who vote for trump are racist etc, but "all" racists vote for trump - I put "all" in quotes because I am sure it isn't actually every single one.

Since so many racist vote for trump the lines get blurred and people start feeling that if you vote for trump you must be racist.

My feeling is that for the majority of people who are Republican it is bacause they are passionate about a single issue but that issue varies for the individual. I see those reasons as:

1, Abortion - there are some people so anti-abortion that they will vote Republican no matter what.

2, 2nd Amendment people - There is a real fear that Dems will "take away your guns"

3, CEO's - The Republican Party give big companies such an benefit in corporate tax breaks but more so with deregulation, particularly reduction in environmental protections.

4, Racism - If you don't like blacks or latinos you vote republican.

5, Family tradition - My dad was Republican, his dad was Republican so I am Republican, I have always voted Republican so I am going to keep doing so. It feels like a lot of farmer's fall into this category.

6, The economy does better with a Republican President. While there is a lot of evidence that this is not true, many people believe this and vote Republican for this reason.

Now I am sure this is not a completely inclusive list for why people vote Republican but to me, it seems as if most Republicans get so passionate about 1 or 2 of these that they become devout in there allegiance to the Republican party. JMO

Note that this does not apply people who vote Republican some time and Democrat at other times.




Though you did not put it in your list, this post is precisely why people will vote republican. Every item in your list indicates a fault in one's thinking, as if there's no rational purpose to vote republican. Do you realize how insulting this is? You're more apt to provoke a rebellious response/action than to persuade someone to consider the other side. At least you actually considered why someone might vote that way other than saying they're ignorant, racist or sexist.

To simplify to the extreme, people are voting republican because of strong conservative beliefs (and rightly or wrongly) are fearful of a liberal government. You didn't mention that at all.


Spot on.


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As I said, Trump is neither a conservative nor does he exemplify conservative values.


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