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This is one guy I can't stand at all, even worse than Trump. I'm not going to wish death on him, but I damn sure ain't wishing his ass luck either. He is an absolute cancer and I think he is the root of the fascism. Himmler-like Nazi.
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Is this the guy who keeps preventing the CDC from releasing the message and guidance the scientists want to put out there? I've seen the name but I have long stopped paying close attention to CV-19 ... such a cluster and so much misinformation spread and claimed by Trump supporters ... The very best of which is that the whole virus is going to vanish after the election because it's a program designed to crash Trump's economy and get him out of office. I guess that lie is believable by those who don't realize there is a world beyond the borders of the USA.
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I just popped in a little bit ago and have been reading your posts... I see you are on a roll tonight. Well, you can say or think whatever you want about masks, but these masks are saving lives and have saved lives, PERIOD. And you know I love me some Eve, but all this libtard crap needs to end because that is not who you are at all, poor look for you. Leave that for the lower life forms on the right. Anyway, my biggest reason for responding to you is to say that you need to at minimum play it safe when you are at the bar, etc. because nobody here wants you dying to prove a point rather you feel invincible or not. This virus kills people your age too, just remember that even if you deny everything else all the smart people are telling you. And I am shocked that you of all people aren't backing the science/tech/medical points of view on covid. P.S.- As the weather cools there will be bigger crowds in those public places... Halloween is coming and I know you like this time of year, so maybe you could skip the bar a few times and stay home to brew potions or something... 
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I just popped in a little bit ago and have been reading your posts... I see you are on a roll tonight. Well, you can say or think whatever you want about masks, but these masks are saving lives and have saved lives, PERIOD. And you know I love me some Eve, but all this libtard crap needs to end because that is not who you are at all, poor look for you. Leave that for the lower life forms on the right. Anyway, my biggest reason for responding to you is to say that you need to at minimum play it safe when you are at the bar, etc. because nobody here wants you dying to prove a point rather you feel invincible or not. This virus kills people your age too, just remember that even if you deny everything else all the smart people are telling you. And I am shocked that you of all people aren't backing the science/tech/medical points of view on covid. P.S.- As the weather cools there will be bigger crowds in those public places... Halloween is coming and I know you like this time of year, so maybe you could skip the bar a few times and stay home to brew potions or something...  I'm not sure what your post is about other than I need to be safe at the bar. My county and the next county has only <10 to 20 cases per day out of many tens of thousands of citizens, So I'm pretty sure I'm ok at the bar. But I appreciate the concern (and knock on wood) hugs and kisses.
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Is this the guy who keeps preventing the CDC from releasing the message and guidance the scientists want to put out there? I've seen the name but I have long stopped paying close attention to CV-19 ... such a cluster and so much misinformation spread and claimed by Trump supporters ... The very best of which is that the whole virus is going to vanish after the election because it's a program designed to crash Trump's economy and get him out of office. I guess that lie is believable by those who don't realize there is a world beyond the borders of the USA. He's Trump's primary advisor. He's behind all the harsh immigration crap and IMO the push toward fascist white supremacy. The guy is evil scum.
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Look we disagree - that's fine. One question that does jump out ... was he on the phone with all the governors of every state? Did he lead and help every state equally and without prejudice/preference? You liberals seem to forget that the bogus impeachment hearings was a big distraction for the Trump Administation when the Coronavirus threat began. New York Post Impeachment was a dire distraction from coronavirus for Trump administration: Devine By Miranda Devine April 1, 2020 It’s obvious the Democrats’ impeachment obsession was a damaging distraction for President Trump, as Mitch McConnell says. That was the whole point of it. But what we now know is the coronavirus outbreak emerged right in the middle of the impeachment. The administration was distracted at a crucial time. “I think it diverted the attention of the government, because everything every day was all about impeachment,″ the Senate majority leader said Tuesday. The Democrats’ motive was to weaken the president before the election and hamper his ability to implement his agenda. It wasn’t about principle or the national interest. It was a trivial game to enhance their electoral prospects and appease their Trump-hating base. Even Democrats like Andrew Cuomo said as much. Back in September, the New York governor blamed “leftist” Democrats and described the inquiry as a “governmental shutdown.” “It’s a long and unproductive road. Where does it go ultimately? Nowhere . . . The problem with that is it means nothing else is really going to get done of substance between now and then, and we have so many real issues to deal with.” Truer words were never spoken. Less than eight weeks later, on Nov. 17, a 55-year-old man became the first confirmed case in China of the novel coronavirus, according to the South China Morning Post. Public impeachment hearings had begun three days earlier and dominated the media. The timeline is instructive. On Dec. 1, the next confirmed patient in China fell ill. On Dec. 13, the House Judiciary Committee approved two articles of impeachment. Three days later, a 65-year-old man was admitted to hospital in Wuhan with a lung infection. On Dec. 18, Democrats in the House of Representatives impeached Trump. On Dec. 29, Dr. Ai Fen, the head of emergency at Wuhan Central Hospital, alerted her superiors to seven cases of unexplained pneumonia. She was reprimanded and silenced, according to “60 Minutes Australia.” On Jan. 1, eight Chinese doctors who had posted information about the illness on social media were detained, and laboratories were ordered to destroy virus samples. On Jan. 3, Li Wenliang, a Wuhan ophthalmologist, was forced to sign an official confession that he had spread false “rumors” about the virus. He would later die of the illness. see also Trump and Pelosi want infrastructure in next coronavirus bill China’s coverup was in full swing. On Jan. 6, John Bolton announced he was prepared to testify at Trump’s impeachment trial, and the media went into overdrive. The next day, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a travel warning about “pneumonia of an unknown etiology” in Wuhan. On Jan. 14, the World Health Organization, doing China’s bidding, tweeted that Chinese authorities “have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus.” On Jan. 15, after a one-month delay, Nancy Pelosi used gold pens to sign the impeachment articles and led a ceremonial procession to deliver them to the Senate. The next day, the impeachment trial — presided over by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts — began. On Jan. 20, the first US coronavirus case was reported, in Washington state. On Jan. 22, opening arguments against Trump began in the Senate. On Jan. 25, the State Department prepared to evacuate US citizens from Wuhan. The next day, Bolton accused Trump of saying he would withhold military aid from Ukraine unless it investigated Joe Biden. Less prominent were five cases of coronavirus in the United States. On Jan. 30, WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus praised the Chinese government for “extraordinary measures it has taken to contain the outbreak. [It] is very impressive . . . China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.” It sure was. On Jan. 31, Trump closed the US border to China and quarantined US citizens returning from Hubei province for 14 days, the first time such measures had been taken since 1969. Dr. Anthony Fauci would later say the travel ban was crucial in slowing the spread of the virus. But at the time, it was slammed by WHO and China as racist. Biden called Trump a “xenophobe.” If anything, as a China hawk who believes in border security, Trump was ahead of the Democrats and media who now blame him for the outbreak. Asked Tuesday if impeachment had distracted him, the president mused aloud, “I certainly devoted a little time to think about it, right. “[But] I don’t think I would have done any better had I not been impeached . . . I don’t think I would have acted any faster.” The president doesn’t want to admit it, but there had to be a price for the time and energy the administration and Congress wasted fighting over impeachment. The media was consumed by it and little attention was paid to the catastrophe unfolding in Wuhan. White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx this week pointed out that if medical experts were slow to comprehend the threat, it was because “we were missing a significant amount of the data” from China. We can all play the partisan blame game but that only lets the real culprit off the hook; it is the Chinese Communist Party, whose deceptions cost at least two crucial months and unleashed a pandemic. Soon, there will be a reckoning. Stefanik: China must pay a price Working from home in upstate New York, Republican Congresswoman Elise Stefanik says her constituents tell her they want China to pay for “the significant economic distress to our communities and small businesses” caused by the coronavirus pandemic. When the crisis is over, she says Americans should sue China to recoup their losses. “There needs to be an international investigation into China with financial accountability. The Chinese Communist Party purposefully lied to the Chinese people . . . and the world about this virus, and thousands of lives were lost as well as trillions of economic debt. see also Trump 'so happy' about Romney's coronavirus test results “We need to work with our allies [to] ensure there are consequences for the global wreckage caused by the Chinese government.” As the representative for Fort Drum, home of the 10th Mountain Division, the most deployed unit in the US Army since 9/11, she says China’s attempt to blame the US Army as the source of the virus is “inexcusable, and there must be consequences.” To that end, she has introduced a resolution with Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) to condemn the Chinese Communist Party for covering up the pandemic and called for an international investigation. It’s a good start. Insidious tracking of safe-distancing Ominously, the federal government reportedly is in talks with Big Tech to use location data on our smartphones to track whether we are self-isolating and maintaining safe distances to stem the coronavirus outbreak. You only have to read the latest report of the Justice Department inspector general into the abuse of FISA-court applications to spy on Americans to understand that surveillance measures instituted to protect us after 9/11 have morphed into weapons of state control. The road to tyranny is paved with good intentions. https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/impeachment-a-dire-distraction-from-coronavirus-for-trump-devine/
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He did nothing.
First off he lied.
He said it would go away with warm weather.
He promoted false cures.
He let the governors go on their own and then blamed them.
He made no effort to get with the media.
There was no coordinated plan at all.
He did nothing about schools except telling them to open.
He took no responsibility and gave himself a grade of A+.
He didn't lead. He just lied.
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Not distracted enough to continue the dirt digging of Hunter Biden. Pffft trump and his supporters.
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'It is a slaughter': Infectious disease icon asks CDC director to expose White House, orchestrate his own firing Brett Murphy Letitia Stein USA TODAY A former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and public health titan who led the eradication of smallpox asked the embattled, current CDC leader to expose the failed U.S. response to the new coronavirus, calling on him to orchestrate his own firing to protest White House interference. Dr. William Foege, a renowned epidemiologist who served under Democratic and Republican presidents, detailed in a private letter he sent last month to CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield his alarm over how the agency has fallen in stature while the pandemic raged across America. Foege, who has not previously been a vocal critic of the agency's handling of the novel coronavirus, called on Redfield to openly address the White House’s meddling in the agency’s efforts to manage the COVID-19 crisis and then accept the political sacrifice that would follow. He recommended that Redfield commit to writing the administration's failures — and his own — so there was a record that could not be dismissed. “You could upfront, acknowledge the tragedy of responding poorly, apologize for what has happened and your role in acquiescing,” Foege wrote to Redfield. He added that simply resigning without coming clean would be insufficient. “Don’t shy away from the fact this has been an unacceptable toll on our country. It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.” In this Sept. 16, 2020, file photo Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield appears at a Senate Appropriations subcommittee hearing on a "Review of Coronavirus Response Efforts" on Capitol Hill in Washington. The CDC did not immediately respond to a request for Redfield's response. Redfield, an HIV/AIDS expert and former military physician, lacked experience running a public health agency when Trump selected him to head the CDC in 2018. White House spokesman Judd Deere did not respond to the contents of the letter but said in a statement that the CDC has not been compromised. "This dishonest narrative that the media and Democrats have created that politics is influencing decisions is not only false but is a danger to the American public," Deere said. Foege's Sept. 23 letter, which was obtained by USA TODAY and has not been previously reported, is a striking condemnation from a legendary public health figure who has spent decades helping prevent the spread of diseases while earning the respect of peers. In an interview, Foege said he felt compelled to write to Redfield after the White House appointed Dr. Scott Atlas to the coronavirus task force, even though he is not an infectious disease expert. The Washington Post and other outlets have reported that Atlas has endorsed the controversial strategy of herd immunity, although Atlas has denied doing so. Nevertheless, such reports prompted Foege, who helped successfully steer India away from such a strategy during the smallpox epidemic, to reach out to Redfield. White House coronavirus adviser Dr. Scott Atlas speaks during an event with President Donald Trump about coronavirus testing in the Rose Garden of the White House, Monday, Sept. 28, 2020, in Washington. Now Foege sees an opportunity for Redfield to help the U.S. to turn around its response to COVID-19 if he helps implement the lessons learned from decades of fighting pandemics. “So much of this is the deaths. It's the deaths,” Foege told USA TODAY, noting that he did not want the letter to become public for fears that it may create a political sideshow and add to Redfield’s burden. “Going public can only embarrass him and it doesn't allow him to redeem himself,” Foege said, explaining his motivations. “By doing this privately, he has a chance to do the right thing.” MORE: Help USA TODAY with its contact tracing of Washington D.C.’s recent COVID outbreak Foege’s opinion carries extraordinary weight within a public health community that credits him with decades of accomplishments even beyond the eradication of smallpox. His public health credentials include helping to improve millions of lives with his work to eliminate guinea worm disease and river blindness as executive director of the Carter Center. He also helped to shape the public health efforts of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. In 2012, President Barack Obama awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his contributions. Nancy Cox, former director of the CDC’s influenza division, who worked at the agency for 37 years, told USA TODAY that Foege crystallized how many scientists and experts are feeling. “The fact that Bill Foege went to the trouble to write this is a testament to how much he values the reputation of the CDC,” Cox said after reviewing the letter, “and how concerned he is that the reputation is being besmirched by what is happening.” Dr. Tom Frieden, also a former CDC director, said Foege is not known for being especially partisan, having served in both the Carter and Reagan administrations. Frieden called him the “best CDC director in history.” “Bill Foege is the Babe Ruth of public health,” said Frieden, now the president and CEO of Resolve to Save Lives, an initiative aimed at preventing deaths from cardiovascular disease and epidemics. “Bill Foege really is in a league of his own in terms of accomplishment and is revered with reason by essentially everyone in the public health field.” Foege's letter to Redfield lamented how the CDC’s scientific experts have been rendered impotent during the most significant health crisis in a century while decades of experience have been ignored. “This will go down as a colossal failure of the public health system of this country,” Foege wrote. “The biggest challenge in a century and we let the country down. The public health texts of the future will use this as a lesson on how not to handle an infectious disease pandemic.” Foege added that the CDC's scientific reputation was tainted under White House pressure, citing examples such as publishing official guidance not rooted in science. “The White House has had no hesitation to blame and disgrace CDC, you and state governors,” he wrote. “They will blame you for the disaster. In six months, they have caused CDC to go from gold to tarnished brass.” Foege also described how morale among the agency’s staff had broken down. “At the moment, they feel you accepted the White House orders without sufficient resistance,” he wrote. “You have a short window to change things.” In his letter, Foege called on Redfield to take a strong, public stance against the White House and accept that he would lose his job as a result. “When they fire you, this will be a multi-week story and you can hold your head high. That will take exceptional courage on your part,” Foege wrote in closing. “I can't tell you what to do except to revisit your religious beliefs and ask yourself what is right.” Foege, in his interview with USA TODAY, said he’d like to see the CDC reclaim its leadership role from the White House. “Dr. Redfield could still be a savior in all of this,” he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/inve...ost/5899724002/
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Anyways. The WH is a hot bed of infection. And the entire Joint chiefs of staff quarantined.
We are a weaker state because of the way trump down played and is super spreading the virus personally.
Concentrate on a SC seat before the election and forget about a suffering economy and millions of American’s out of work. Pffft trump
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Facts.
Something that is taboo in this administration.
The policy is basically never tell a truth that hurts your self image.
Ignore science and anything that might make you look bad.
Continue at all costs to promote your Brand.
Never admit wrong doing. Never.
Attack the messenger of any bad news.
Point to others as the problem.
on and on and on. the trump way.
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""Impeachment was a dire distraction from coronavirus for Trump administration: ""
Well it sure as hell wasn't going to be TRUMP's fault for anything - either trying to bribe Ukraine OR his response to CV-19 .... damn, we all know the man can't walk and chew gum, so of course he should be protected from blame. We knew THAT.
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Facts.
Something that is taboo in this administration.
The policy is basically never tell a truth that hurts your self image.
Ignore science and anything that might make you look bad.
Continue at all costs to promote your Brand.
Never admit wrong doing. Never.
Attack the messenger of any bad news.
Point to others as the problem.
on and on and on. the trump way.
I understand the uneducated, and the redneck falling for this. But there are otherwise intelligent individuals who are getting bamboozled by him and I just don't get it. I can understand falling for it in 2016. But the continued failure to see this man for what he is is absolutely dumbfounding.
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That is something I struggle with daily.
It makes me lose faith in common basic values like truth and decency.
I understand that 25% or so of the left and right are off the rails.
But that leaves 50% of those in the middle.
Those people should clearly see that trump is simply not the person to lead this country.
There can be no disputing that. The record is clear of how he has failed in a time of crisis.
I get what you are saying. It is hard to deal with that.
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She knows trump has done the opposite of that. She knows that Trump knew masks would slow down the corpses coming out of our hospitals. She knows Trump doesn't even ask this supporters to wear a mask at his rallies. She knows he's helping kill people.
Speaking of plagues. She'll avoid that part of it like one. I don't really stalk Trump the way you do. You have weird obession with him. But I'll leave that between you and your psychatrist. I don't avoid the plague. I go to bars/restaurants on average 3 times per week. If I'm gonna get it, then I will get it. I'm not a frightened snowflake hiding in my house. I just look at the stats on the Georgia government website, and in reality, the risk is very low for my county. But you for sure need to hide in your basement. Or from whereever you type from. Because it's coming for YOU. Pffft.....Just another trump supporter who thinks she’s a Unicorn and has no respect for human lives. I can't stand Trump, but I have to ask - in earnest - because I see this repeated pattern from you: what do you hope to accomplish by posting "pffft" constantly with a disparaging dismissal that doesn't add anything to the conversation?
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She knows trump has done the opposite of that. She knows that Trump knew masks would slow down the corpses coming out of our hospitals. She knows Trump doesn't even ask this supporters to wear a mask at his rallies. She knows he's helping kill people.
Speaking of plagues. She'll avoid that part of it like one. I don't really stalk Trump the way you do. You have weird obession with him. But I'll leave that between you and your psychatrist. I don't avoid the plague. I go to bars/restaurants on average 3 times per week. If I'm gonna get it, then I will get it. I'm not a frightened snowflake hiding in my house. I just look at the stats on the Georgia government website, and in reality, the risk is very low for my county. But you for sure need to hide in your basement. Or from whereever you type from. Because it's coming for YOU. Pffft.....Just another trump supporter who thinks she’s a Unicorn and has no respect for human lives. I can't stand Trump, but I have to ask - in earnest - because I see this repeated pattern from you: what do you hope to accomplish by posting "pffft" constantly with a disparaging dismissal that doesn't add anything to the conversation? You're thinking of Spiral. I almost never say pffft.
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Foege wasn't only a former CDC director, he was also on the board of Theranos during that massive fraud scandal. link
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I wouldn't be surprised if the super spreader was a liberal plant. so that's where the 'dry cough' comes from-
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This is one guy I can't stand at all, even worse than Trump. I'm not going to wish death on him, but I damn sure ain't wishing his ass luck either. He is an absolute cancer and I think he is the root of the fascism. Himmler-like Nazi. I did nazi that one coming
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I did nazi that one coming
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I wouldn't be surprised if the super spreader was a liberal plant. HMMMMM  I've never heard Pokapornstar described that way before.
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j/c bUT wHaT moRe COuLd trUMp hAVe DonE?! dErP
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You aare so brainwashed, it isn't even worth trying to have a conversation with you I'm guessing wine thirty started little early. Trumpism and alcohol have been known to combine in a disasterous outcome known as word salad.
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I understand the uneducated, and the redneck falling for this. But there are otherwise intelligent individuals who are getting bamboozled by him and I just don't get it. I can understand falling for it in 2016. But the continued failure to see this man for what he is is absolutely dumbfounding.
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White House Blocks New Coronavirus Vaccine Guidelines The F.D.A. proposed stricter guidelines for emergency approval of a coronavirus vaccine, but the White House chief of staff objected to provisions that would push approval past Election Day. WASHINGTON — Top White House officials are blocking strict new federal guidelines for the emergency release of a coronavirus vaccine, objecting to a provision that would almost certainly guarantee that no vaccine could be authorized before the election on Nov. 3, according to people familiar with the approval process. Facing a White House blockade, the Food and Drug Administration is seeking other avenues to ensure that vaccines meet the guidelines. That includes sharing the standards — perhaps as soon as this week — with an outside advisory committee of experts that is supposed to meet publicly before any vaccine is authorized for emergency use. The hope is that the committee will enforce the guidelines, regardless of the White House’s reaction. The struggle over the guidelines is part of a monthslong tug of war between the White House and federal agencies on the front lines of the pandemic response. White House officials have repeatedly intervened to shape decisions and public announcements in ways that paint the administration’s response to the pandemic in a positive light. That pattern has dismayed a growing number of career officials and political appointees involved in the administration’s fight against a virus that has claimed more than 209,000 lives in the United States. The vaccine guidelines carry special significance: By refusing to allow the Food and Drug Administration to release them, the White House is undercutting the government’s effort to reassure the public that any vaccine will be safe and effective, health experts fear. “The public must have full faith in the scientific process and the rigor of F.D.A.’s regulatory oversight if we are to end the pandemic,” the biotech industry’s trade association pleaded on Thursday, in a letter to President Trump’s health secretary, Alex M. Azar II, asking for release of the guidelines. The Food and Drug Administration submitted the guidelines to the Office of Management and Budget for approval more than two weeks ago, but they stalled in the office of Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff. Their approval is now seen as highly unlikely. A main sticking point has been the recommendation that volunteers who have participated in vaccine clinical trials be followed for a median of two months after the final dose before any authorization is granted, according to a senior administration official and others familiar with the situation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Given where the clinical trials stand, that two-month follow-up period would all but preclude any emergency clearance before Election Day. The conflict began almost as soon as the Food and Drug Administration submitted the guidelines to the White House budget office on Monday, Sept. 21. The next day, Dr. Stephen M. Hahn, the F.D.A. commissioner, briefed Mr. Azar on the matter. That Wednesday, Mr. Meadows raised a series of concerns, a senior administration official said. He questioned the need for two months of follow-up data, said that stricter recommendations would change the rules in the middle of clinical trials and suggested that Dr. Hahn was overly influenced by his agency’s career scientists. The White House on Monday did not respond to a request for comment. Speaking to reporters on Sept. 23, Mr. Trump publicly cast doubt on whether the guidance would be approved. “We may or may not approve it,” he said, suggesting that the regulatory action “was a political move more than anything else.” F.D.A. officials later provided additional justification to the White House, explaining that the two-month follow-up was necessary to identify possible side effects and ensure that a vaccine’s protection against Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, was not short-lived. But they have been unable to break the stalemate. The White House has the authority to intervene in such nonbinding guidance documents — a step below enforceable regulations — at least partly because of an October 2019 executive order that tightened restrictions over the issuance of such documents. That order asserted that “agencies have sometimes used this authority inappropriately in attempts to regulate the public.” White House officials have cited it to force the Food and Drug Administration and other agencies to submit pandemic-related guidelines to the White House budget office for review before public release. Staff members at the budget office scrutinize the documents for statements that could undercut the president’s public message that the administration either has the pandemic under control or will soon, according to former and current federal officials. The testing and release of a vaccine is an issue that has gained wide national attention. Mr. Trump has repeatedly misrepresented how quickly a vaccine might be available to most Americans, promising a major breakthrough in vaccine development as early as this month. No clinical trial in the United States has yet advanced far enough to prove that any vaccine is safe and effective, although Pfizer, one vaccine developer, is hoping for interim results soon from its trial. The Food and Drug Administration’s new guidelines were intended to assure companies developing vaccines that they were being held to a common standard and to reassure the public. Polls suggest that Americans are increasingly wary about taking a coronavirus vaccine: A survey published last month by the Pew Research Center found that 51 percent of Americans would either probably or definitely take one, down from 72 percent in May. Dr. Peter Marks, the F.D.A.’s top regulator for vaccines, said last week in an event organized by Friends of Cancer Research that the government had to be transparent about the standards it was using to evaluate experimental vaccines in order to build public trust. He and other health officials have stressed that the companies developing vaccines are already fully aware of the agency’s expectations for products seeking authorization for emergency use. Mr. Azar on Friday played down the conflict with the White House, telling a House panel that those concerned about its involvement in the guidelines were making “a mountain out of a molehill.” “What the commissioner is proposing to put out is public emergency use authorization guidance on a vaccine that would be consistent with letters already sent to the manufacturers,” Mr. Azar said. “The F.D.A. has already told the manufacturers what they’re going to look for.” Some vaccine makers, including Johnson & Johnson, have publicly indicated that they will follow the agency’s recommendations, regardless of the White House’s actions. At a recent meeting with F.D.A. staff members, Dr. Marks said the agency “may hear more noise in the press” about trouble with the guidance but added that the “goal isn’t to get into fights,” according to people familiar with his comments. He said at the Friends of Cancer Research event that there was no reason “to get all excited” because “we are going to have a transparent advisory committee meeting for each and every emergency use authorization that comes through.” Privately, Dr. Marks has told colleagues that an angry tweet from Mr. Trump attacking F.D.A. scientists over the guidelines could damage public confidence in a coronavirus vaccine. The guidance laid out more specific criteria for clinical trial data and recommended that it be reviewed by the advisory committee of independent experts. It is expected to be included in the briefing papers for the committee’s next meeting, scheduled for Oct. 22. Food and Drug Administration officials hope the committee will consider those standards before giving its blessing to any emergency use authorization for a vaccine. The most likely recipients of any vaccine that wins that authorization will be high-risk populations such as health care workers. In addition to the two-month follow-up period, the guidelines stated that there should be at least five cases of severe infection in the placebo group as evidence that a vaccine is effective in preventing more than just mild to moderate illness. About 10 percent of Covid-19 cases are considered severe. The guidelines also laid out the agency’s expectation that vaccine makers would continue to assess the long-term safety and efficacy of the drug, if granted emergency use authorization. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/05/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-guidelines.html
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I work in the medical device sector, and believe me I've shared more than my fair share of complaints about how they do their review... but cutting their legs out from under them during a crisis is not the right way to go. They are responsible for oversight, and while I don't always agree with the 'how', I acknowledge that it's a very tough, thankless job. Ensuring safety for something that's going to be rolled out as quickly as this is to pretty much the entire populace is a daunting task.
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Sorry, I meant to send that to him, not you, Eve.
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It irritates the boards hardcore unbudgeable Trumpians. Is that the end goal?
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It irritates the boards hardcore unbudgeable Trumpians. Is that the end goal? Pretty much. He started doing it when they lost their minds.
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j/c... Trump’s antibody treatment was tested using cells originally derived from an abortionThe Trump administration has looked to curtail research with fetal cells. But when it was life or death for the president, no one objected.by Antonio Regalado October 7, 2020 This week, President Donald Trump extolled the cutting-edge coronavirus treatments he received as “miracles coming down from God.” If that’s true, then God employs cell lines derived from human fetal tissue. The emergency antibody that Trump received last week was developed with the use of a cell line originally derived from abortion tissue, according to Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, the company that developed the experimental drug. The Trump administration has taken an increasingly firm line against medical research using fetal tissue from abortions. For example, when it moved in 2019 to curtail the ability of the National Institutes of Health to fund such research, supporters hailed a “major pro-life victory” and thanked Trump personally for taking decisive action against what they called the “outrageous and disgusting” practice of “experimentation using baby body parts.” But when the president faced a deadly encounter with covid-19, his administration raised no objections over the fact that the new drugs also relied on fetal cells, and anti-abortion campaigners were silent too. Most likely, their hypocrisy was unwitting. Many types of medical and vaccine research employ supplies of cells originally acquired from abortion tissue. It would have taken an expert to realize that was the case with Trump’s treatment. Last Friday, as Trump developed worrisome symptoms of covid-19, the president received an emergency cocktail of anti-coronavirus antibodies made by Regeneron. These molecules are manufactured in cells from a hamster’s ovary, so-called “CHO” cells, according to the company—not in human cells. But cells originally derived from a fetus were used in another way. According to Regeneron, laboratory tests used to assess the potency of its antibodies employed a standardized supply of cells called HEK 293T, whose origin was kidney tissue from an abortion in the Netherlands in the 1970s. Since then, the 293T cells have been “immortalized,” meaning they keep dividing in the lab, somewhat like a cancer, and have undergone other genetic changes and additions. According to Regeneron, it and many other labs employ 293T cells to manufacture virus “pseudoparticles,” which are virus-like structures that contain the “spike” protein of the deadly coronavirus. It needs those to test how well different antibodies will neutralize the virus. The two antibodies Regeneron eventually put forward as an experimental treatment, which may have saved Trump’s life, would have been selected using exactly such tests. Because the 293T cells were acquired so long ago, and have lived so long in the laboratory, they are no longer thought of as involving abortion politics. “It’s how you want to parse it,” says Alexandra Bowie, a Regeneron spokesperson. “But the 293T cell lines available today are not considered fetal tissue, and we did not otherwise use fetal tissue.” The Trump administration has sought to block or curtail research that requires tissue from recently performed abortions. In August, for example, a new board created by the Department of Health and Human Services, and stacked with figures opposed to abortion, voted to withhold funding from 13 of 14 proposals. The rejections centered on research seeking fresh supplies of abortion tissue, rather than ongoing research involving older, well-established cell lines in use for many years, like the type Regeneron employed. However, one reason some scientists want to study abortion tissue is so they can create new and valuable cell lines. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10...om-an-abortion/
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Open up proud boys! Open them schools! Open them campaign rallies GOP. Open the White House to visitors trump! Pfft idiots.
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