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This is for those of you who like to analyze the game. I think teams might start blitzing the hell out of Baker. There are stats out there that tell how QBs fare against the blitz. Guys like Mahomes, Rodgers, Josh Allen, Fitz, etc have put up good numbers vs the blitz this year. The key is to recognize it pre-snap and then check to a quick pass that exploits the vacated area where the blitz originated from.

I tried to find all the rankings, but could not find them. Maybe someone will post the complete league rankings vs the blitz. I have a feeling Baker's rating isn't very good vs the blitz this year. After yesterday's game, I wonder if teams will try and blitz Baker a lot and force him into mistakes and sacks?

It's probably something to watch for.

I wonder what Kevin Stefanski thinks of Josh Rosen one of the other 5 QB's taken in 1st round of the "18 draft?

I don't think last year ruined him. I think he has holes in his game.

Baker isnt perfect, but he is learning and growing.

Give the kid time. Its his fourth offense in three seasons. San Diego wrote off drew brees as a bust and we all know how big of a mistake that was. Here is a LINK comparing bakers first three seasons to both brees and farve.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...2625945/?page=1

The Chargers did not give up on Brees.

Stop comparing Baker’s stats to QBs from 30 years ago. The NFL is totally different.

j/c...

Renner: It's time to panic about Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield
By Michael Renner
Oct 19, 2020

For the last year and a half, I’ve repeated one question almost instinctively when asked about Cleveland Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield: “Who at the quarterback position peaked in their first year?”

Outside of injury-addled quarterbacks like Robert Griffin III, you’d be hard-pressed to find many more examples. But after a year and a half of not only not progressing but also regressing in key aspects of the position, it’s time to add Mayfield as an answer to that question.

While Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski insisted that Mayfield’s benching Sunday was purely for health reasons after the quarterback entered the game with a chest injury, that same injury can’t be used as an excuse for his disastrous performance. That’s because — as we’ve seen all season — Mayfield’s issues extend far beyond getting the ball from Point A to Point B (and even that hasn’t been a given).

In the words of PFF’s Seth Galina, a former quarterback coach in his own right, “the confident quarterback we saw in 2018 no longer exists.”

This is evident in a number of different ways. It’s in his shaky pocket presence where he went from being charged only 15 pressures as a rookie to 32 last season and is now on pace for even more than that this year. You can also see it in him holding the ball more, with his average time to throw climbing from 2.66 seconds as a rookie to 2.74 in 2019 to 3.08 in 2020. However, nothing exemplifies his waning confidence more than his performance down the field on traditional dropback passes. If you take away play action, here are Mayfield’s stats in each year of his career on passes thrown 10 or more yards downfield.



While it’s a small fraction of his total number of dropbacks, it’s almost wholly indicative of his decline. He’s not only been erring more on those throws, but he’s also not even finding those opportunities as frequently.

The last row in the table above is far and away the most concerning. His 144 10-plus-yard pass attempts as a rookie were the fifth-most in the NFL — and he didn’t even start the whole season. That number was the same as Patrick Mahomes, and the quarterbacks ahead of him were Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck and Philip Rivers. And that's one of the many reasons why he impressed as a rookie — being able to find opportunities down the field is a tenet of quality quarterback play.

As Galina so eloquently said, though, that guy is gone. His 35 such attempts this season ranks 21st in the NFL. Of quarterbacks who have played six games already this season, only Jared Goff has fewer.

Rarely do you do any significant damage when you drastically trail in games or when you are in end-of-half situations. The needle also doesn't move all that much when you run RPO, play-action and screen passes. You have to be able to attack downfield on dropback concepts, and Mayfield has been nothing short of a liability when asked to do so.

https://twitter.com/RotoStJournal/status/1315417917652172800

So what’s the “fix” for the former No. 1 overall pick? The answer to that would be better answered by Mayfield, Stefanski or a sports psychologist. However, it doesn’t take the latter to realize that the problem with Mayfield's play over the last year and a half is just as mental as it is physical.

While the Browns' four-game winning streak masked Mayfield’s 66.3 passing grade over that span, it’s impossible to mask where Mayfield has struggled when the Browns have to play catchup. If that doesn’t change soon, the Browns can’t be considered serious contenders in the AFC.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-its-time-to-panic-about-cleveland-browns-qb-baker-mayfield

jc

Baker is fine.


People need to realize this loss is a team loss, from the coaches on down.

You cant lay it on any one person and crucify them.

Baker isnt perfect, but he is learning and growing.

Is he though?

Has Fitzpatrick ever held on as a starter for a whole year?

Tua got named the starter for the Dolphins, maybe we can trade for Fitzpatrick to upgrade the QB position. . .