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They were talking about this during the Pats/Cowboys game, more teams are building around their offenses because while defense wins championships, more often than not when going up against a juggernaut O, even the best D's will lose unless they have the O to keep up with it.
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I really feel that our defense will look much stronger with a better group on the line. We have NO pass rush. Our linemen don't keep our linebackers free from blockers. Our secondary is having to cover for an awfully long time. We can't stop the run up the middle. Giving up control of the line of scrimmage is costing us big time.
I agree with you jeep.
We'll be a little bit limited without a # 1 pick but we might be able to fox a lot of problems by just fixing that one area...the DL.
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It's a glaring lack of effectiveness on the defensive line. It's pretty simple.
There are 7 teams that run a 3-4. In order I'll rank the quality of their 3 man front.
New England: Seymore, Wilfork, Warren - Unbelieveably great - 3 very good first rounder picks working in tandem
San Diego: Castillo, Williams, Olshansky - Great NT, Very Very Good young DE, and Olshansky is awfully tought to move
Pittsburgh: Keisel, Hampton, Aaron Smith - Great NT, Servicable DEs
Baltimore: Ngata, Gregg, Price - Oustanding group, Price was great, now good. Gregg is a fighter and Ngata is athletic when he wants to be
Dallas: Spears, Ratliff, Canty - Not near the class of above but Spears can cause problems and Canty is getting better.
New York Jets: Coleman, Robertson, Ellis - Not terrible but not very good, Ellis only remarkable player IMO. Roberston underachiever.
Cleveland: Roye, Washington, Smith - Terrible. Old, Very Old and OK
We don't have a single DL that would start for any other team running the 3-4. Think about that for a second.
Then look at the first 4 teams: NE, Chargers, Squeelers, Ravens
Rediculous. There is no comparison between those DLs and ours. None.
The one thing I will say is that you need at least one, preferably two guys that can get after the QB from the LB position and we have Wimbley. I believe he can compare at least to Thomas, Merriman, Farrior and Suggs.
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Nice addition to the thread.
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... " Wimbley. I believe he can compare at least to Thomas, Merriman, Farrior and Suggs.. "
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San Fran also runs a 34 D, making it 8. 
Their starters are: Bryant Young, Aubrayo Franklin, & Marques Douglas.
Currently their D ranks 22nd against the run, giving up 124.2 yds per game.
Just a bit on how they were acquired:
Young - Originally a first round (seventh pick overall) draft choice by San Francisco in 1994. Young
Franklin - "Originally a fifth round (146th pick overall) draft choice by the Baltimore Ravens in 2003…Was the first of two (Tony Pashos, 173rd overall) fifth-round selections for the Ravens in 2003…Signed by San Francisco as an unrestricted free agent from Baltimore on March 3, 2007. " Franklin
Douglas - "Originally signed by Baltimore as an undrafted free agent on April 23, 1999...Waived by Baltimore on September 4, 1999...Signed by Baltimore on December 22, 1999...Waived by Baltimore on August 27, 2000...Claimed by New Orleans off waivers from Baltimore on August 28, 2000...Waived by New Orleans on September 2, 2001...Signed by New Orleans to the practice squad on September 3, 2001...Signed by Baltimore to the 53-man roster from the New Orleans practice squad on November 28, 2001...Signed by San Francisco as an unrestricted free agent from Baltimore on April 7, 2005." Douglas
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I think he's weak as a DC..his defenses in Houston were weak...even though there was a lack of talent there also..
I didn't respond that last time you said that. Grantham was the defensive line coach in Houston. He wasn't the DC there. It wasn't his defense.
I still maintain that the youngin's just need experience. We have so many young players on defense that mistakes are being made nearly every play even if it's a different one each time.
Toward the end of the season I expect to see a much imporved defense. Wimbley, DQ, and Williams are 2nd year guys. Pool is starting for the first time and Wright is a raw rookie. That's a lot of youth all at once.
Let's see where they are in the year we are supposed to be able to judge them good or bad for their draft position. The end of '08 for the linebackers and maybe Pool and '10 for Wright.
Funny how we know we have to wait to judge the draft, but still think we can judge them as a unit much sooner.
Grantham will look a lot better as these young players gain experience and improve.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
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Toward the end of the season I expect to see a much imporved defense. Wimbley, DQ, and Williams are 2nd year guys. Pool is starting for the first time and Wright is a raw rookie. That's a lot of youth all at once.
Ddub my friend, I'd encourage you to have even more patience than that, hehe.
Even good linebackers can't play well if they have 300-pound fatties pushing them into the secondary on every play, and we have to face the fact that we don't have anyone on our defensive line that's really prototypical for this scheme. Until we do, the undersized Jackson and the mediocre Davis won't stand a chance. Wright needs to get his feet wet, and he'll get toasted more until we can generate more of a pass rush. See the above to fix that one as well
Like the offense this season, it's gonna take some BIG money contracts (assuming guys are even available  ) as well as some high draft picks to get this unit turned around.
If it means anything, we were one of the worst teams in the league because our offense and defense stunk. Now we have a bottom-five defense and a top-10 offense, so we're a .500 team. Amazing how that happens, eh? *L* When a couple of years worth of defensive drafts and player-signings come together, we'll be in good shape.
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I said improved, not great. A lot of our problem is young guys getting confused and being out of position, over pursuing and otherwise leaving their assignments. That is what I expect to improve as the season nears the end. Agreed that we need talent on the line and in a big way. Much like the offensive line got it's shot. It's likely to take two years for that as well. By then, the youngins of today will be peaking. 
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Like the offense this season, it's gonna take some BIG money contracts (assuming guys are even available ) as well as some high draft picks to get this unit turned around.
Well the FA class doesn't seem too intriguing(sp?) next year aside from maybe a few guy's so it looks like a majority of our improvements are going to have to come down to addition by subtraction (Washington, maybe Roye), young guy's stepping up and through the draft. Unless we can pull of a descent trade. Anderson?
Jared Allen, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Simeon Rice, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Justin Smith, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens 4-3 DE-3-4 LB
Mike Rucker, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Albert Haynesworth, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Jordan Carstens UFA Carolina Panthers
Ebenezer Ekuban UFA Denver Broncos
Tommy Kelly UFA Oakland Raiders
Sam Rayburn UFA San Francisco 49ers
Paul Spicer UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
Randy Starks UFA Tennessee Titans
Renaldo Wynn UFA Washington Redskins
Hopefully we can continue getting some younger guy's in there a little more this year so we can get them a little bit of experience so we can try to improve the line next year. I know some of the younger guy's are gaining a litle bit of experience right now and that's good because they will need it.
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Speaking of geeting defensive line help in the draft.
I was browsing around NFLdraftcountdown and noticed a few players that seem to fit the prototypical NT position and was wondering if anybody knew anything about these guy's and where they might go in the draft. They don't seem to have a scouting report on them yet. I usually wait until they put one out and then I try to catch a few of their games to get a good idea about them.
B.J Raji- Boston College 6'1" 340lbs
Jason Shirley- Fresno St 6'5" 330lbs a bit tall it seems for a NT
Frank Morton- Tulane 6'2" 331lbs
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Speaking of geeting defensive line help in the draft.
B.J Raji- Boston College 6'1" 340lbs
Jason Shirley- Fresno St 6'5" 330lbs a bit tall it seems for a NT
Frank Morton- Tulane 6'2" 331lbs
Just a heads up on Shirley. Has been suspended indefinately from the team. The latest issue was getting a DUI after crashing his car into an apartment building and fleeing the scene.   Don't think he should make the cut as a 'draftable' player for us.
Frank Morton is a possiblity, but a late rounder at this time (imo).
BJ Raji is currently red-shirting this season after being suspended by the NCAA for academic inelligibility. So not sure if he will come out this year or not. He is a senior, but if he gets another year he may stay and play (in 2008) to try and improve his stock.
Not to kabash the names you listed, just some info that I felt should be known.
To add some other names out there; I think a few of the following could be around in the second round when we pick.
Frank Okam, Texas - Thought to be a 1st rounder, but may slip due to not having an expected 'outstanding' season. Odds against him actually being there, but a name to follow, just in case.
Dre Moore, Maryland (6'4" 311).
Red Bryant, Texas A&M (6'5" 324)
DeMario Pressley, NC State (6'3" 295)
Going to cut the list short, as of right now I am tracking about 45 DL prospects, thats just seniors, for the upcoming draft. Don't think listing them all would be all that useful, at this time. Those listed are top possiblities that we may have a shot at drafting. Declaring juniors and the rest of the season yet (injuries, legal, etc) will determine final rankings for all the prospects.
However these are a few names to watch that will be available for the draft. 
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When a couple of years worth of defensive drafts and player-signings come together, we'll be in good shape.
Assuming some offensive players don't move on or get hurt and assuming Chud doesn't get a head coaching job leaving us with Romeo to finish out the last year or two of his career.
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Speaking of geeting defensive line help in the draft.
I was browsing around NFLdraftcountdown and noticed a few players that seem to fit the prototypical NT position and was wondering if anybody knew anything about these guy's and where they might go in the draft. They don't seem to have a scouting report on them yet. I usually wait until they put one out and then I try to catch a few of their games to get a good idea about them.
B.J Raji- Boston College 6'1" 340lbs
Jason Shirley- Fresno St 6'5" 330lbs a bit tall it seems for a NT
Frank Morton- Tulane 6'2" 331lbs
I'd pass on Raji since he's ineligible this season.
Dre Mooe has the chance to be a good DE in the 3-4.
Others to watch...
Kevin Brown UCLA
Wallace Gilberry Alabama
Kendall Langford Hampton (note, he's MASSIVE)
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Kendall Langford is a very good prospect from D1AA's Hampton. He is 6'6" 295, quick and athletic. The entire Hampton D-Line is pretty good, they play in a 4-3, but the others are more late rounders to UDFA's.
Kevin Brown (6'2", 295) is another good late round prospect, at this time.
Wallace Gilberry is a bit smaller, 6-3, 265, possibly more of a 34 olb, but he isn't the fastest, he is tenacious though.
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I've already been on the website..I was looking at DT/DE's, ILB's and FS's..
Thats what I do at this time..
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didn't respond that last time you said that. Grantham was the defensive line coach in Houston. He wasn't the DC there. It wasn't his defense.
O.k...the Dline was his..and have you seen any improvement in coming here? I still maintain that the youngin's just need experience. We have so many young players on defense that mistakes are being made nearly every play even if it's a different one each time.
It's more than that..we have vets that aren't disciplined enough to do their job. We have old guys who aren't dominate..period. We aren't playing guys to their strengths.. Not that this would make it a top unit but dude if the fundamentals are non-exisistant, that implies more than just youth.. Something is wrong somewhere else also. Funny how we know we have to wait to judge the draft, but still think we can judge them as a unit much sooner.
Because the units are made up of veterans not just rookies Grantham will look a lot better as these young players gain experience and improve.
I think he's a part of the problem..
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The problems on D have ALWAYS BEEN THERE ... ALWAYS ...
Since our return WHEN have we EVER been able to STOP the RUN???
A. NEVER ..... and were still not doing it this year ...
Our pass D is BEIING EXPOSED for two reasons ... it has BEEN WEAK since our return also .. just hasnt always needed to be exposed for a couple of reasons ....
1. Teams didn't need to score points on us cause we couldn't score any ...
2. When u play from ahead (witch almost everyone did against us before we built the OL and got Brey and KW2 catching everyting in sight .. ) U dotn need to pass ....
So this year were getting ahead of teams and FORCING THEM TO PASS ... see the Rats and to some extent the Bungles and Fish (no clue how much the fish passed as I havent seen the game .. just ASSuming ... and lord only knows thats dangerous .. *L*) ...
and add to that the SCHEDULE .. witch is HUGE ... I said before the season our O will look better (no idea it would be this much better .. Joe is playing WAY BETTER than even i imagined in year 1 .. ) .. and our D will look worse just BASED ON SCHEDULE ALONE ...
The Faiders are MUCH IMROVED ON O and the Pats may have the most potent O in the history of the game ... and we've played the always high scoring Bungles .....
so we've played 4 common teams to last year and one is vastly imroved on O (the Faiders) .. and the other 3 pretty much did what they did to us last year in one of their games ... (what did the faiders to do us last year???) .. then u add in the best O we've faced in the last two years the Pats and then in the Fish game we GOT AHEAD and forced them to try and score instead of just run the ball down our throats ...
the D is pretty much where its been since our return (except we have pockets of GOOD YOUNG TALENT as opposed to ever before .. ) ... but just like with the O most of U guys can't put 2 and 2 together to see why IT LOOKS WORSE (the O better) based on OTHER FACTORS not related to the TALENT (on O your all giving DA way to much credit .. and on D your looking for reasons like Russell leaving .. witch has negatively affected us this year but it was THE RIGHT THING TO DO as he is not that good .. just like R. Griffith u guys way over rated Russell) ....
we have SOME HOLES ON D ... and we have LOADS OF YOUTH thats growing and learning together ... couple that with the fact we could never stop the run and the fact we have a young ass secondary and then throw in an O thats putting up points .. then for good measure add in we played the pats O this year as opposed to alot of the inept O's we played last year and U have a RECIPE that spells for a much worse looking D ...
but don't fret .. a few good DLman and a year of experience for the secondary and the young LBer's will do LOADS to IMPROVE this unit for next year ...
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O.k...the Dline was his..and have you seen any improvement in coming here?
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If your're talking AD he's always been like that. As for the others, Peek, McGinest and Thompson, well, I don't think it's as big an issue with them.
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We aren't playing guys to their strengths..
You may have something there. I've read your posts on suggestions for the D-line and came away impressed and the smarter for it. They have made recent changes seemingly toward rotating and getting some others and that may play into individual strengths but I haven't really seen a great deal of improvement from it.
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Not that this would make it a top unit but dude if the fundamentals are non-exisistant, that implies more than just youth..
Something is wrong somewhere else also.
Fundamentals have been bad. I think some of it may be that when you find yourself out of position you are left with little more than reaching with an arm tackle and that don't cut it.
I can't believe that these players came in not knowing the fundamentals and find it even hardere to believe that only we, and not the coaches, see it. And, I find it even harder still to think that NFL coaches have forgotten how to teach the fundamentals when they see it lacking.
It seems to be all over the defense and there's four defensive coaches under Grantham who makes five. Something is wrong somewhere else also.
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But a LOT of young guys. Good defenses can absorb and cover for a couple added to a well established system, but we have a butt load of younger players and very few seasoned vets to cover their mistakes. I think that's big.
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You can think that and I'll keep watching to see if there's any merit to it. It's obvious something isn't working. We seem to have gotten worse since last season. It's hard for me to evaluate the reason other than the youth.
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but don't fret .. a few good DLman and a year of experience for the secondary and the young LBer's will do LOADS to IMPROVE this unit for next year ...
THE FUTURES BRIGHT GUYS .....
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THE FUTURES BRIGHT GUYS .....
Me too!
The other side of the Coin ! I do believe Diam is placing to much credence in the LB' core . I feel they are highly Over Rated .. Need to fix the problem up front first , but that will only expose the LB'ers for what they are ... Ain't good !
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At this point of their careers, with some folks bragging on them the way they do, they are Over Rated. But a year and a quarter of experience for the lot of them, who are all in at once and together, I think it's to be expected that there are some serious, bad-looking growing pains.
We're all in agreement about the line.
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We have to have at least a few keepers on defense. Sometimes it's amazing what a couple well placed players can do for the whole unit (See the Oline now that we have a real Left Tackle). I'm not sure who the real keepers are...the whole is so bad that it's difficult to tell 100% who actually isn't bad.
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Hey gu..ys . I'm on the same page with ya both ! .. But with all the finger pointing at the D line : I need to take exception some times .. I am just sold on the middle of the field & that gos from the NT.to the two Middle LB's to the Safety play .. And I submit a big hell yes , we miss Russell ! 
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If your're talking AD he's always been like that. As for the others, Peek, McGinest and Thompson, well, I don't think it's as big an issue with them.
Our newest addition R.Smith has showed he likes to get up inside his gap rather than string it out allowing him to get pinned down inside  Peek is one diminsional...McGinest is old..he has little left but he's smart.. Fundamentals have been bad. I think some of it may be that when you find yourself out of position you are left with little more than reaching with an arm tackle and that don't cut it.
What about when they have a ballcarrier locked up and don't hit sound enough to bring him down? Even players that are not that talented are still taught to tackle sound.. Where does this go back to ? I can't believe that these players came in not knowing the fundamentals and find it even hardere to believe that only we, and not the coaches, see it. And, I find it even harder still to think that NFL coaches have forgotten how to teach the fundamentals when they see it lacking.
It seems to be all over the defense and there's four defensive coaches under Grantham who makes five. Something is wrong somewhere else also.
They do see and they have to fix it..not running a lot of tackling drills in TC may be part of it.. The coaches under Grantham..well that would be the dline/LB coaches..why are their guys inept at tackling?? You can think that and I'll keep watching to see if there's any merit to it. It's obvious something isn't working. We seem to have gotten worse since last season. It's hard for me to evaluate the reason other than the youth. I'll explain why I think TG is part of the problem. First Rac said he was going to get more involved..well why? Is he finally seeing something internally or feels he needs to have more imput ? What is he going to do that TG can't OR ISN'T doing ? My assumption was that he does like he did with Bellyache..he said BB let him design the scheme and run it.. Well the apple doesn't fall far from the tree..apparently he lets TG design it and run it.. Well think how base it's been since he got here( and it is base because of talent) but have you noticed in the last few weeks to cover up weaknesses and injuries we went from a base 34 to a hybrid 2-4-5 and or sometimes a 4-2-5 scheme? Thats not TG..thats Rac..and thats from the old Giants teams and the NE teams who use mutiple fronts.. I saw McGinest on several series line up as NT..the new looks are more of Rac's imput than Grantham's genius.. Something is amiss.. I am pointing more to the LACK OF FUNDAMENTALS than talent/scheme ddubia..U do not have to be a all-pro in order to hit a guy, wrap him up and bring him down at the point of contact..not gator arm a guy or wildly grab a guys shoulder and think he's going down  The Browns D made Cleo Lemon look like a seasoned vet at times and had he been on target on some of his bad throws.. the game would have been even closer.. They have made recent changes seemingly toward rotating and getting some others and that may play into individual strengths but I haven't really seen a great deal of improvement from it. Because I think they're not playing to the strengths of the guys .. Case in point..Shaun Smith..soon as Roye went down they put him instead of Kelly at DE.. WHY would you do that, when Kelly has never shown he can hold his own at the LOS? He gets pushed back way too easily.. Smith has actually played decently and is built more like a NT so thats where he needs to be..but because they gave him reps at DE they won't move him where he needs to go and it's the one move that has me ticked  This has little to do with TG but Rac just said they are contemplating flipping FS Brodney Pool and SS Sean Jones. Jones has been beaten a lot this year , when he wasn't getting owned last year. Are they confused and/or getting out of position ? Thinking too much and not reacting? Pool hs played better of late but Jones isn't..so something else is not right..
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It's a pretty terrible year for the 3-4. In general, there are no good rush backers outside of Groves, no NT's, and only a few DE's.
As for ILB's...I like whats his nuts from Vanderbilt, but I'm hedging on whether he's 3-4.
The only amazing cover corner out there is Hefney.
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Well think how base it's been since he got here( and it is base because of talent) but have you noticed in the last few weeks to cover up weaknesses and injuries we went from a base 34 to a hybrid 2-4-5 and or sometimes a
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Thats not TG..thats Rac..and thats from the old Giants teams and the NE teams who use mutiple fronts..
Good points all.
Yes I've noticed, but that's interesting as hell. I never gave a thought to who's behind it or the history lesson. I just thought in terms of trying something different.
I forgot about Robaire as well. He does seem an upgrade but I have noticed him having problems getting taken out of plays. I just didn't know why or what was happening. This gives me something to look at.
I think they face a dilema with Shawn Smith. He was supposed to be the NT. Kelly is who you say he is, so I'm asking, what what would be the benefit putting him a DE and Smith at Nose? I understand Smith at NT, but Kelly at DE? Wouldn't that be everey bit as bad or even worse to have him on the end?
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You want the stronger force in the middle..that means he collaspes the center of the LOS...I 'd rather have the ends a bit weaker than the middle..
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I'm with you 100% here. A NT playing poorly can drastically effect the entire defense. If he doesn't occupy his gaps in the run game, guards hit the LB's, thus putting an onus on the S's to come stuff the run.
In the pass game, the interior rush is the most difficult thing for a QB to overcome.
Plus, if you have a solid NT in the ground game, but only okay DE's, your LB's can clean up the exterior. One of the benefits of a good 3-4 is it should push the run game outside, and with the speed at LB, they should be able to stuff it.
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Hey Vette, what's up? I would agree with your analysis completely! Defense wins championships and offense wins games, though you need "some" defense during the games as well. Anyways, I think our offense is improved but still needs a bit more tweaking. Sooner rather than later we will have to sure up the right side of the O line and we will have to develop a "solid" corp of WR's. Joe J. may not be a brown much longer, I think his contract is up after the 2008 season. B.E. has shown good improvement but we must have and desperately need a burner WR to compliment him. Cribbs continues to develop nicely but there's no guarentee and I'm not sure what the hell to think about Travis "I'm the best pick in the draft" Wilson???  I think DA should finish out the season as starter then we should either resign him as BQ's backup or trade him IF we get a decent deal. However, I like the idea of keeping him as the backup since he knows the system very well and has done pretty good as the starter this season. I think we should resign Jamal Lewis and go after Michael Turner to have a one, two punch at RB. Now, our Defense....WE NEED D LINEMEN. (Sorry, not shouting just stressing my point, LOL ) I'm not sure what is wrong with the secondary, I'm not really sure if anything is wrong? I mean they have been beaten yes but they have been beaten by some of the best WR's and teams in general in the NFL. So I'm not sure what to do there? Also, I haven't been able to keep tabs on Brodney Pool...does he seem to be holding his own? If not, then maybe we need to find somebody else? I think we can give Eric Wright a bit of a pass, rookie year, we can't expect him to perform like a veteran CB just yet. Now the LB's! Is it time to replace Andre Davis and/or Willie McG? I'm not really sure why Grantham doesn't have this defense playing better? (not blaming him for there less than stellar play but....he is the D.C.) Sorry for the long winded reply, LOL
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You want the stronger force in the middle..that means he collaspes the center of the LOS...I 'd rather have the ends a bit weaker than the middle..
Just one more thing on that since I understand now.
When Roye went down they immediately put Smith there since he's tougher than Kelly. Maybe they were thinking that Roye's absence wouldn't be for long and Smith could get a little "versitility training".
When Roye's problem lingered then flared up again Smith stayed. My point is, maybe he never really got any reps at NT due to all that. So maybe now they're stuck with leaving him at end for awhiile
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I dunno. Just wondering out loud.
Could've been a mistake from the get go.
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Hey Rabid....sup?
As far as the D goes, we can't be 100% sure what we've got in LB's & DB's because of the DL. Much like the O where nothing worked until the OL got major upgrades.
Obviously Willie M is old and needs a good young guy to mentor.
It should be another very interesting offseason.
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As Big C explained in more detail it was a mistake to put SS out there..they took reps away from him at NT..but since nothing is working..they should put him back there..and not worry..it can't get any worse.
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It was your classic move of getting your best bodies, in general, out on the line, rather than getting the best guys at the right spots. Shaun Smith is a heckuva player.
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Just curious, what about him makes you think he's a good player?
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As I posted in another thread..I have learned that there are some grumblings about Grantham and once again I ask why anyone is enamoured with a guy who just rants and raves on the sidelines but his troops according to Rac: "We have some guys who aren't quite disciplined enough to get aligned where they needed to be aligned to put themselves in position to stop the run," said the coach. "Then we have some guys who get beat at the line of scrimmage. It's all part of it. We have to do a better job of getting those guys to understand where they need to be so that we can stop the run."
Getting beat at the LOS is two-fold..lack of talent/and/or discipline and technique.. what is it? Combination of all things mixed in? And now they're doing tackling drills... 
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That is what I said some time back. Might as well make one position somewhat strong rather than have 2 positions somewhat weak.
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