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All I know for sure is that torn Achilles injuries are not always met with good results. Even when a player comes back often times he isn't the player he once was. I also know you need two good S's, not one. I also know a second round rookie deal is cheap.

Given all of those factors, I think we are in the perfect position to try and land a veteran S. I actually don't think we will. But moving forward I think we will see it would have been a good idea.

Now that's very dependent on what we would have to give up. A bad deal for a needed player still doesn't make it a good deal.

j/c:

I would like to see us get Simmons. I think Delpit might be a better SS than a FS anyway. I'm not positive about that, but that is the sense I got. Actually, I think he seemed more like a Cover 2 safety to me. Remember the old Tampa 2 defense where they played 2 safeties deep? Delpit seems more like Josh Adams than Ed Reed.

I agree with that.

really injury prone... when on the field is a great down the field threat... but has a tendency to miss a lot of games...

Please be because he's coming to Cleveland.

hmmm

That would be nice.

I was listening to an Orange and Brown Talk podcast they reminded me that our defensive coordinator would like to g0 with three safeties on D.

King would be a great pickup. He’s a very good safety and would immediately upgrade our pass D. I’d be tempted to trade a 4, maybe a 3 with performance incentives.

Someone may have already mentioned this but do we know his contract status?
Not concerned with his salary but more so with how many years he has left on it.
Is he a FA at the end of the season? If not, when?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/sort-value/secondary/los-angeles-chargers/limit-100/

Looks like a cheap contract but he is listed here as a FA in 2021. Probably require a new contract to be signed to make it work.

Unrestricted after this season

mgh and 'peen - thanks guys

As best I can tell, people just make these lists based on expiring contracts.

I'd rather get someone with at least 2 years left on their rookie deal.

Teller was drafted in 2018, we traded for him in 2019. Not a FA until after 2021
Ronnie Harrison is also not a FA until after 2021.
When we signed Kareem Hunt we all knew he had a RFA designation coming up due to lack of accrued seasons.

I would just as soon go for someone we like that has that same multi-year advantage (especially with the 2021 cap situation).

Give the Jets a 2nd next year and a 4th in 2022 if the rumors are true they are shopping Quinnen Williams for at least a 2. He is starting to blossom, I think.

I would definitely agree with this

Anthony Harris’ name is on all of these lists. We were rumored to be interested in him in the off-season, several of his former defensive coaches are on our staff, and he shouldn’t be too expensive because of his contract/salary. With our need at safety this looks to obvious to actually happen.

Side note:

Our bye is perfectly timed this year. Guys can’t play for teams for a week after being traded and the trade deadline is Tuesday.

That never even occurred to me.

A trade would allow the player to pass through their 5 day covid protocol and get a week's practice next week before the game.

Now I really want Quinnen Williams.

NFL today mentioned that Houston would not be trading DeShaun Watson and that JJ Watt was unlikely to be traded but said pretty much anyone else was available. A lot of teams are asking about Wil Fuller but the Texans would rather trade Kenny Stills or Brandon Cooks.

They said a lot of teams are asking about players on their defense and mentioned that other than JJ Watt pretty much anyone was available including Whitney Mercilus. That caught my ear. I looked him up. He is listed as a 6'4 258# OLB. Seems that he is built to be a 3-4 OLB but with that size I think he could move to DE. Anyone have an opinion on that or if he has done that in the past (college?)?

Mercilus is a quality NFL starter. If my memory serves me right I would have picked him over Weeden. Yeah,

That's not saying much. I would have picked you over weeden

jc

should we actually trade for anyone that isn't just a depth move?

especially on defense, we aren't one player away from competing. we need serious help, and i rather us just keep competing for a WC spot, then go all in during the '21 offseason to win.

steelers got better with that trade.

Williamson is someone I wanted, too. Whether it’s the cost or him not fitting into our system (whatever system that is haha) I’m not sure

This ^

We need sooooo much help on defense that I'm not sure it's even possible to make a dent in the need at just the trade deadline.

DE, DT, LBs, S - (5) players needed...easily.

Man, I'm really curious to see if we get anything done. We definitely have a value-oriented FO, and they aren't going to want to "lose" any deals. I can't imagine any decent players coming cheap.

I think a lot of it also hinges on how much pressure Stefanski and Berry feel to win THIS year and/or make the playoffs. My concern here is always that Haslam may say that he's fine with a plan to not make any trades and then blow things up at the end of the year when we miss the playoffs.

IMO, it's not about this year. This team has too many holes to feel confident going into the playoffs.

But it might be an opportunity to get a valuable piece on the cheap.

We definitely need a FS, DT, and a complete LB in the WORST ways.

Add in another pass rusher and another complimentary LB to make me feel even better.

I wonder if the Jets would be willing to move CJ Mosely? He wouldn't help this year but is relatively young and just signed a five year deal in 2019. His 2019 season was almost nonexistent and then he opted out for 2020. I would imagine the Jets are questioning their investment at this point. And we seem to like the SEC guys.

they probably would but his contract is massive

Starting to agree about that w/Njoku. He doesn’t give us much ... the occasional red zone play, but he graded out terribly yesterday and seems to have costly drops and missed blocks.

At some point “potential” fades. He’s in year 4 ... still nothing

How many guys need to go before we address a bigger problem? Coaches have been blamed. The OL was blamed. People said we would be better off w/out OBJ. Now, Njoku has to go? Who is next? Landry?

Yeah, I mean his measurables and stuff are probably outstanding. But he’s inconsistent and hasn’t panned out. Plus, injuries have derailed him a bit.

He’s not the worst bust we’ve ever had. He’s stuck around 4 years and has had some production, but he’s not worth another contract or any more time.

Wish we still had Fells.

I'd take a low 5th for Njoku at this point. A 6th with some possible improvement if he plays and reaches performance criteria. As you and the post above says - he really brings little to the team other than a perceived athletic threat.

To me it isn't about making the playoffs, it is about winning the playoffs.
Anything less than a Super Bowl win is a failed season in my book.

One or two players attained mid-season isn't going to get us to winning the playoffs.

Oh...JC

So we are crystal clear and do not manipulate your intentions - it appears you are talking about Baker. And a need to address the QB position? Please clarify because we'd hate to misunderstand your take.

I don't want to touch the QB position until the offseason. There's nothing we could actually do to improve (personnel-wise) until then, anyway.