“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
2 hours at the funeral home tomorrow night calling hours. You are not allowed in this place without a mask
Okay. So mask up with an N95, or KN95 if you’re going to be around others in this setting. I’d graciously decline the offer to go to the bar afterwards. If your family has an issue with this it’s on them, not you. You’re looking out for them as much as yourself through your declining the offer. If you do go to the bar, make your appearance brief. Keep your mask on. Have a beer at home later if you need/want one. If I had an N95/KN95 in this situation I’d likely ‘risk’ hugging some of my family. It’s a risk but in the case of losing a loved one it’s important to connect with those we love. That said, I’d get home and disrobe at the door. Put my clothing directly in the wash. Shower immediately.
It sucks that families are faced with these types of choices in such tough times. Just remember that this is a long game. You choosing to not gather now means you’ll be healthy, alive, to gather for years to come. People keep acting with short game mindsets. Don’t give into the temptation.
2 hours at the funeral home tomorrow night calling hours. You are not allowed in this place without a mask
Okay. So mask up with an N95, or KN95 if you’re going to be around others in this setting. I’d graciously decline the offer to go to the bar afterwards. If your family has an issue with this it’s on them, not you. You’re looking out for them as much as yourself through your declining the offer. If you do go to the bar, make your appearance brief. Keep your mask on. Have a beer at home later if you need/want one. If I had an N95/KN95 in this situation I’d likely ‘risk’ hugging some of my family. It’s a risk but in the case of losing a loved one it’s important to connect with those we love. That said, I’d get home and disrobe at the door. Put my clothing directly in the wash. Shower immediately.
It sucks that families are faced with these types of choices in such tough times. Just remember that this is a long game. You choosing to not gather now means you’ll be healthy, alive, to gather for years to come. People keep acting with short game mindsets. Don’t give into the temptation.
My mom texted earlier this week - she and dad had covid, don't have it, but are still dealing with the after effects.
She said "we won't be getting together for Thanksgiving, and not sure about Christmas yet."
Good decision, as we'd have people from Columbus, 3 different cities/towns in Indiana, and some (2) from Colorado.
My wife's family, on the other hand, is full steam ahead for Thanksgiving. I've told my wife I don't think we should go........her reply was "It's family. It's you and I, Sooga, her boyfriend, mom and dad, and my sis, her husband both nephews and and 1 girlfriend."
I said I know it's family. How many people have you been in contact with at work, or when you went out to eat last night? And Sooga, living on campus, in a dorm with 3 others in the room. And your sis.......how many people does she come in contact with on a daily basis? And bro in law. And both nephews.......how many people do they come in contact with on a daily basis? And your mom, and dad. (her dad has had serious, serious heart issues). What about Sooga's boyfriend? He's in class at Findlay, he works part time at a bank. And nephew's girlfriend? She's 1 of 6 people in her family, and they all are out and about each day."
My wife, and her family, are bull headed, no doubt.......we'll see how it goes. I know I don't have to attend, but if wife and daughter do, and come home........
Got a friend that is positive now as well. Have had many friends, and family, that were positive..son works in health care.
And, JUST found out a friend of mine was hospitalized recently, and he coded (meaning close to death I believe) and was life flighted to St. V's in Toledo. My age.
arch— I’d honestly put my foot down on this. This isn’t a game. You don’t see it coming. It’s not ‘just family’. People struggle to grasp the reality, the magnitude, of exponential growth. For each person testing positive currently, now over 160,000 per day, how many people have they infected. And on down the line the number grows. Fast. Incredibly fast. And these are only the reported cases. Facts are this virus is in every corner of every community at this point. You’re very right about your assessment of the situation as it pertains then to the dinner guests. Each of those people at the dinner table have had how many contacts... who’ve had how many contacts... and down the line. What’s the likelihood at this point of sitting in a room of ten people and not having it somewhere within their peer group. Maybe not directly but close. We know we’re all 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon (one man) ... do the math on COVID.
Tough times call for tough choices. My two cents... put your foot down. Not out of authoritarianism. Out of love.
Do you "have a hand on the wheel" in terms of the bar portion of the schedule? Could you come up with a better idea and convince others on a gathering there?
I only suggest that because I know in my family the after events are the real events, so to speak. That's where the talking and reminiscing happens. It's not a celebration of life in my family unless there's talking, laughing, etc. So if I were in your situation, just going to the service and not attending after would be pointless. I'd look to get a more COVID-friendly (or would it be unfriendly) location and go from there in terms of distancing and whatnot.
At the end of the day, however, one of Portland's statements kinda rises to the top. If they have a problem with it, that's on them. I have a whole bunch of family that are super-duper-anti-mask and all that. There's a sorta unspoken guideline... I won't give you grief if you don't give me grief. It works because it's closest to respecting each others' differences as we're going to get.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Hope your parents get better, Arch. I remember you said they were struggling with it.
Two of my nieces have it, and I just found out that my daughter's kindergarten teacher has it, so my daughter has to quarantine until December 1st. My wife and I are already working from home right now as it is.
Craziness. Hope that vaccine gets developed quickly.
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I also just wanna say that I feel for you 'lima. Dealing with hard-headed family with stuff like this is really hard. We lucked out regarding Thanksgiving... lots of other stuff going on that's preventing the family from coming together. Otherwise many from the one side would be acting like nothing is going on at all.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I think, hope, that perhaps knowing a class mate of hers, a friend of hers, a friend of my m.i.l. will drive this point home? I can only spout stats. But, I married into a bull headed family, and trust me, I don't dislike them.
I did just get done sending an e-mail to my son, wife, and daughter about where all the important documents are, where the keys for the lock box at the bank are, details on both life insurance policies are, details about my hospitalization policy is...............where the guns are, titles, how to get into the safe.
This thing has me worried, and it ain't gonna get better. It'll get worse. I've had a good life. My son had had a great life. My daughter will as well, with me or without me, and I guarantee, if I die, when my wife is ready, if she ever is, she will 'replace' me, while never forgetting me. And I'm cool with that.
Meanwhile, taking all the precautions I can, cause, you know, I gotta work to pay bills, but I love my wife, son, and daughter and want to spend decades more with them. Even 1 decade more.
Do you "have a hand on the wheel" in terms of the bar portion of the schedule? Could you come up with a better idea and convince others on a gathering there?
I only suggest that because I know in my family the after events are the real events, so to speak. That's where the talking and reminiscing happens. It's not a celebration of life in my family unless there's talking, laughing, etc. So if I were in your situation, just going to the service and not attending after would be pointless. I'd look to get a more COVID-friendly (or would it be unfriendly) location and go from there in terms of distancing and whatnot.
At the end of the day, however, one of Portland's statements kinda rises to the top. If they have a problem with it, that's on them. I have a whole bunch of family that are super-duper-anti-mask and all that. There's a sorta unspoken guideline... I won't give you grief if you don't give me grief. It works because it's closest to respecting each others' differences as we're going to get.
No I didn't have a hand on the wheel, as I was telling my sister that I don't think this is a good idea, my brother walked past me and told her that he could arrange every thing. The bar set up a really nice after funeral for my mom. there was also about 50-75 people there. This place is really nice inside-but it is alot of people inside.
And yes, we have had this kind of gathering at quite a few funerals with family, friends, etc.
A celebration of someone’s life can happen at anytime. Make a date for warmer weather when outdoors becomes an option, and hopefully vaccines are being given widely. Plan a get together then with everybody.
I got a call from Marty this Spring. She wanted to ask me if I'd play at her Dad's memorial/life celebration ceremony. Marty is a dear friend from childhood, as are all 5 of her other siblings.
You see- Marty's Dad was the first person to ever place a cello in my hands. He was the first person to show me how to hold the bow. The first person to show me where to put my fingers. He knew when to hand me off to a private teacher, then became my Middle School orchestra director for one year, and director of our local youth symphony through my 9th grade year, and High School director through my graduation. When I stopped out of school, he taught me how to play casual dates (gigs), and formed a trio that kept me playing. I was one of a quartet of kids/best friends he'd trained since childhood who referred to him as 'Uncle Bert.'
When she called, I was rendered speechless. The catch in my throat was interfering with my breathing. I said, "I'm flattered, M... but why me? All of you kids play as well as me..."
"You are our Family too, Bobby. You are the one we all chose, because of how much you and he loved each other. We know we can celebrate Dad, and not have to worry about the music."
It was supposed to happen a couple weeks ago.
Marty called to say that they are pushing back The Gathering, because something this important deserves full attendance... and they are willing to wait, for the sake of everyone who loved him.
Back in April, I told this entire board that everyone here will eventually be touched by this awful thing. I've never been so unhappy to have been proven right in all my life.
The last thing Bert A. Blair ever read from me was a text message, just weeks before he passed away:
That’s a military town worth of people in the hospital.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It took Rep Governor Sununu in NH 2mo’s to finally mandate masks after weeks of continued increases of cases. Irresponsibility is the key word for our current leadership. We had no early voting or mail in voting. I saw poll workers forcing voters to take their mask off if they had political messages on them. I said “damn just put it on backwards girl.” She didn’t.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Both my parents were positive. My brother, biggest lib I know in person, was positive.
All three of them are retired, and took this seriously.
Let me count my friends that have been positive: I think, off hand, 10. Dems and reps. 3 have died, 1 is still currently hospitalized, although his kidney's are starting to work again, but he's intubated.
This is exactly what I was talking about. You say 'reckless family'. The digs at Trump and his family just don't stop, do they?
I've noticed pit hasn't posted since the 3rd of November. Odd. You suppose he has covid and been hospitalized? If so, he must have been reckless, right?
All three of them are retired, and took this seriously.
I respectfully disagree with your comparison/equivalence arch.
The entire Trump cadre behaved exactly opposite of taking it seriously. In fact, they not only made sport of folks like your fam, but encouraged others to do the same. They openly mocked people who followed CDC guidelines, attended/led maskless mega-rallies, and encouraged ordinary citizens to 'rise up' against state governors who initiated CoVid protocols.
I'd say that if anything, your friends and family were polar opposites of the Trump bunch.
I still have a hard time understanding why you seem to still strongly identify with this man who is so unlike you and the people you love and respect.
It's a convo I invite us to have in PM's, to keep the talk uncluttered by others.
If you want. Because try as I might, I just can't wrap my brain around it.
Ok. I'll say this though: i don't need a president to tell me what to do.
And actually, I'm headed to bed. Yes, at 8:40 pm on a friday night, going to bed. I get to work tomorrow, and I'm happy about it. I know of 2 people on here that would be amazed by that..............2 people, at a minimum, that think I need help.
So there is a virtual G20 summit for world leaders to discuss the virus. trump decided its more important for him to go golfing. This guy doesnt care how many US citizens die.
Can we swear in Biden now, please? This clown clearly has no desire to do his actual job, after all. All he did was show up to the opening conference and then golfed all day.
We’re clearing 170k cases a day like an Olympian pole vaulter. And yet all this loser does is golf and rage tweet.
Such an embarrassment.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
LOL trump still thinks his proud boys are coming to his rescue. And poor Donny jr won’t get the special treatment papa got if he’s admitted into a hospital.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Cleveland coronavirus cases up 1,200 percent since early October
The Cleveland area has seen its number of coronavirus cases skyrocket by 1,259 percent in the past seven weeks according to the Ohio Department of Health, as cases across the country continue to climb.
On Oct. 1, when Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (R) released an advisory alert map, the Cleveland/Akron area was reporting an average of 83 cases a day, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Now, the area is averaging 1,134 cases a day.
The Buckeye State, like many states in recent weeks, on Friday broke its record for new cases in a single day, reporting 8,808 cases. So far, 343,286 coronavirus cases and 5,984 deaths have been reported in Ohio.
Last week Franklin County, where the state’s capital of Columbus is located, was elevated to the highest public emergency level, indicating a risk of “severe exposure and spread.” The recommendation for residents in a county at this level is to “only leave home for supplies and services.”
Last week, Columbus health officials announced a month-long health advisory, urging residents to only leave the home for essential needs, work and school.
“I'm not going to mince words: We have entered a dangerous time in our fight against COVID-19. This surge is much scarier than we saw in the spring or again in the summer," Columbus Mayor Andrew Ginther (D) said after the advisory was announced.
When the advisory system was first released on Oct. 1, 11 counties were classified as Level 3. Now, of Ohio's 88 counties, 15 are at Level 2, one is at Level 4 and the rest are Level 3.
In a tweet last week, DeWine warned that “Other counties may not yet be seeing continuous, uninterrupted increases in the same way that is causing Franklin to move to purple, but make no mistake—almost all counties are seeing more cases and more healthcare use that could threaten the medical system if they continue.”
Talking to some of the people working in some of the Columbus hospitals, they are saying that they have had very few COVID patients. There may be some regional flare ups that are stressing very specific hospitals, but on the regional scale, there is not problem with hospital capacity.
A couple things to keep in mind: 1. Lately, spread has been more among younger people and people are doing a better job distancing from the high risk. So the damage is less. 2. Cold and flu season is here. That means a lot of people are getting a cough from standard cold or flue and they are getting tested. The false positive rate on these tests is 3%, so if you have an uptick in the common cold or flu, then you are going to get a massive uptick in Covid numbers caused by false positives. 3. Even to date, most people that get tested come back negative, only about 6.5% actually test positive. If the false positive rate is 3%, then about half of the people that think that they have had Covid, actually had something else.
I know the numbers, but at the end of the day we are talking 1500-2000 deaths a day. All more or less needless and I refuse to rationalize or try to justify that in the face of great stupidity and willful ignorance.
I know the numbers, but at the end of the day we are talking 1500-2000 deaths a day. All more or less needless and I refuse to rationalize or try to justify that in the face of great stupidity and willful ignorance.
Another interesting finding is that fear of COVID doesn't statistically correlate with intelligence or politics or many of the things people might think that it does. But it very strongly correlates with a person's proclivity toward anxiety and depression.
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