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Burrow's arm is super weak. For his sake, he will need to turn into Brees for long term success. It does seem like he has the brain for it. Time will tell as defenses adjust.

I like Baker and would love to see him do well here and become our franchise QB. However, I was just thinking does anybody think that with the KS and the O coaches we have right now would we be better off having Sam Darnold and his skill set here rather than Baker. He's had next to no chance to succeed in NY with that horrible situation. He is bigger with a stronger arm. Thoughts?

I’ll take bake over darnold.... easy call

I don't think Darnold has anywhere near the arm strength - or arm talent - as Baker. Not even close.

I tried to explain Burrow's arm-strength issue with a couple Bengal fan buddies. Needless to say, they weren't hearing it. He's talented, but there will be many throws he won't be able to make in the NFL and - as you said - time will tell as defenses adjust.

"The boy said my name's Baker and it might be a sin"...

How about Nooooo.

I think they should have Baker experiment with a glove/gloves for these bad weather games. Some guys can throw with a glove and some can't but it would be worth checking out to see... Those new gloves are pretty good these days. Just a thought. I don't know if Baker will ultimately be our franchise QB or not but he's shown enough to keep putting him out there and let him grow as a player. This season was a weird one anyway. No off-season to speak of and a shortened camp with no PS games in a brand new system with the brand new coaching staff and we are 7-3? Holy crap is that great under such circumstances!!! We have no reason to complain. The WCO takes a while to learn too. Some say 3 whole years to learn it all. NEXT year(if Covid is under control by then) will tell us a lot more. Bakers second full year in this system with(hopefully) a REAL off-season schedule under his belt will tell the tale.

Get off Baker's back.

He did his job in the bad weather. No INT's and No major mistakes.

He converted on some key 3rd downs.

Let's see what he does in the Florida sun with no SNOW, RAIN and HURRICANE conditions.

J/C

Why is this still a discussion or thread?

We're not dumping him next season.

There's a greater chance of us winning the Superbowl than us moving on from Baker next season.

Sorry, this makes no sense. Darnold does not have a stronger arm than Baker. And I'm not sure if he was ever going to be any good (I did not think he was good in college at all...for the life of me I still cannot understand what the fanfare was with him), but if he was, that ship has sailed. He's damaged goods at this point.

I think that's a very fair assessment.

If Darnold ended up going to Pittsburgh or The Saints or even a team like Dallas - who would bet against him not being dramatically improved and possibly good ... or V good?

I believe that Darnold's immediate future (upon the inevitable release from NYJ) is as a backup somewhere. It would allow him to assimilate the experience of the last several years and potentially reclaim his career. I've thought that Cleveland was as good a spot as any for that to happen.

That's basically all I was saying. It was more of a speculation on my part. He still is young. He's had next to no chance to succeed where he is now. I really think that if he could go to a stable situation with good coaching and talent around him he could be an above average QB that could lead a winning team. I like Baker and want him to be our QB for many years to come.

Baker's stats this year:

2108 passing yards
92.3 Rating
61.22 completion%
17 TD's 7 INT's
192 yards per game


He should end up around
3000 passing yards
90.0 rating
62% completion
28 TD's
11 INT's


that's a solid year

Nope. We need to cut or shop him. He'll cost us games and doesn't have the trust of the team.

I think he will go to Pittsburgh to be Big Ben's heir.

When was the last time we had a qb that was able to string together games with no picks?

bakermayfield
hasn't thrown an interception in his past 123 consecutive passing attempts, spanning five games. During that stretch, he has 7 passing TDs, 0 INTs, a 106.9 rating, 1 AFC Offensive Player of the Week award and the Browns are 4-1.

He ducking sucks!

I have something that I call the "curse of the press" and also the "curse of the announcers."

You see it happen in games all the time, where the announcers will keep saying something like "The Browns haven't fumbled in X number of games, which is great for them." Then, like two plays later, we fumble.

I'm worried that a lot is being made of Mayfield's lack of recent interceptions.

I’d be a lot more worried if he didn’t have a lack of recent interceptions

Well, then, look on the bright side... when he does finally throw one, it will be the fault of the curse and not Baker

Ha, I can get on board with that, at least!

Here I go, being the wet blanket again....

Baker and the D haven't exactly faced a Murderer's Row of defenses. Stiff test this coming week. Hoping we are bringing more guys back rather than putting them on the shelf. Baker and the team need to be at full strength for a couple of our upcoming games.

There are certainly a bunch of people that don't like Baker and do think he sucks. His performance yesterday was labeled "AWFUL" in Post Game and it was much worse in Game thread...

I didn't think the performance yesterday was awful. I think every QB misses throws - even easy ones. I do find it concerning and worrying that Baker missed 2 easy TD's last week and another couple easy throws this week no doubt. Footwork? Brain freeze? Panic? I don't know.... I'm not giving him a pass and I want to see those issues minimized and reduced. But ...

What I do know is that 7 weeks ago folks who doubted Baker were saying he's a one read QB, he locks on a receiver, he has no pocket awareness and takes off running and last year he threw bunches of interceptions. And since then we have seen progress in all these areas !! Is he perfect? NO. Has he shown demonstrable and repeatable improvement? YES. Has he continued to be inconsistent. Yes. Has he continued to make some excellent and elite throws. Yes. . . . and after these improvements the new gripe and whinge is that he's missing some easy throws. From some: No acknowledgement of the improvements. No talk about the good.

I'm not going to repeat all the challenges Baker has faced and history of HC's and OC's and the impact of Freddie as HC .... I'll simply say this: Anyone that wants to cut bait with Baker at this point instead of saying they want to see him in a second year of stable coaching and FO environment is more hater than fair QB critic. Focusing only on his flaws isn't being balanced in my eyes.

My frustration is that the only area I see Baker struggling have nothing to do with scheme, it has to do with mechanics.. Missing guys and sailing passes over their heads isn't about scheme.

Simple fact is that over the last few games, Baker has had 2 or 3 passes per game where he had guys wide open for either easy TDs or easy first downs and he just missed them. If he made those easy throws, the narrative on him right now would be completely different. There hasn't been much else to complain about, he's making good reads, not turning the ball over, etc. And this now includes the Jags game, which you posted before that happened but it was the same thing...

We do have the Titans, Ravens, and Steelers coming up. These are not the Jags, Eagles, Texans, or Bengals. The margin for error is much thinner, we can't get FGs because we missed guys wide open for TDs.. can't happen or we will probably lose. I'm not asking him to complete 80% of his passes for 350 yards, but he has to make the plays that are there to be made. If he is fitting into the "game manager" role for the moment, that is the primary job of a game manager QB who doesn't throw a ton or throw for a lot of yards, you have to make the plays that are there to extend drives for your running game and get the ball in the end zone.

Top graded QBs the past 6 weeks
Mahomes 91.4
Watson 90.5
Rodgers 88.1
Cousins 87.9
Mayfield 85.3

https://twitter.com/JohnKosko3/status/1333455882831663106

Simply not turning the ball over goes a long way. So does Baker having a 5 TD game 4 weeks ago.

Baker has 17 TD's and 7 INT's

I know I’m up and down on baker a lot on this board.

But he needs to be our starter going forward for the future. He finally has a guy who knows how to call plays and develop an offense.

He needs to work on his footwork a ton during the offseason, but the fact that we’re 8-3 in part due to baker playing winning football can not be undervalued.

I was on the Baker bandwagon from day 1 but lately I have wavered a little, but I agree Swish, we need him to be our QB going forward, he is as competitive as any QB in the league and he is a winner, let him and Stefanski grow together

Only Deshaun Watson has a longer streak of passing attempts without an interception than #Browns Baker Mayfield (123)

https://twitter.com/Sam_Penix/status/1333486950267949057

I feel Baker is exceptional with the hard count and with handing the ball off. He does lots of little things on play actions and handoffs to be deceptive on where the ball is. Top notch ball hand offer!

Aside from the hard count, I feel like we've gotten good at drawing the offsides. Is that something we were decent at before, or is that new to this year? I don't remember seeing it as much the last 2 years.

LOL

Nick Wright hardcore defending Baker today. I like it. It's like me beating on my little brother. It's ok if I do it but not if someone else does it.