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Bakers pass to Higgins is interesting...
He locks onto Higgins early... Pump fakes to higgins... And then realizes that higgins is wiiiide open so he rushes the pass... Im assuming he was shocked that there wasnt a defender covering higgins after the pump fake and rushed it that was definitely one of the weirder incompletions I’ve seen from Baker. It was just awkward, like he figured Higgins would be covered ... then he wasn’t ... and Baker panicked
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Bakers pass to Higgins is interesting...
He locks onto Higgins early... Pump fakes to higgins... And then realizes that higgins is wiiiide open so he rushes the pass... Im assuming he was shocked that there wasnt a defender covering higgins after the pump fake and rushed it that was definitely one of the weirder incompletions I’ve seen from Baker. It was just awkward, like he figured Higgins would be covered ... then he wasn’t ... and Baker panicked Baker spoke about this play in his presser. He wasn't locked onto Higgins. He was locked on to the deep guy to the left of Higgins. He said his eyes weren't in the right place and he should read low to high not high to low. By not having his eyes in the right place he completely botched the play. That's what he said in his presser at least.
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Gotcha thanks, I hadn’t seen that. It makes sense
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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This might be a stupid question, but does anybody know how they are measuring these days? I can't remember the last time I saw a spot challenged or confirmed with the refs hooking up that little disk and running on to the field. I'd assume with the technology we have today that we can put hi-res cameras in the endzone pylons that we'd now have sticks on both sides of the field with a laser running between.
Read an article in SI about the chain gangs, where they are, why, etc. In the article it mentioned that officials have started placing the ball on an exact yard line more than in the past. That makes it easier for them to judge for the next first down if it's close. As in, say they spot the ball after a play at the 49 1/2 yard line for a measurement.......after the measurement, the ball is often placed at the 49 or the 50 if it was a first down. Saves on time. Time saved is advertising dollars gained. (this is my own interpretation here). Don't know if it's true, but it makes sense to me. I didn't write the article, I just read it.
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This might be a stupid question, but does anybody know how they are measuring these days? I can't remember the last time I saw a spot challenged or confirmed with the refs hooking up that little disk and running on to the field. I'd assume with the technology we have today that we can put hi-res cameras in the endzone pylons that we'd now have sticks on both sides of the field with a laser running between.
Read an article in SI about the chain gangs, where they are, why, etc. In the article it mentioned that officials have started placing the ball on an exact yard line more than in the past. That makes it easier for them to judge for the next first down if it's close. As in, say they spot the ball after a play at the 49 1/2 yard line for a measurement.......after the measurement, the ball is often placed at the 49 or the 50 if it was a first down. Saves on time. Time saved is advertising dollars gained. (this is my own interpretation here). Don't know if it's true, but it makes sense to me. I didn't write the article, I just read it. Mike Tirico and Tony Dungy discussed this on SNF (I believe it was this game) last night as well and confirmed what the SI stated. Refs will move the ball to nearest yard line when starting a new series of downs so they can quickly determine 1st downs. Chain gang eventually getting downsized!
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Chain gang eventually getting downsized!
Pretty much what the article said, but they've already been downsized as well.
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just put a chip at each end of the football and call it a day.
There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.
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Chubb 88.2.
What the heck more does he have to do to get to 90+???????
If yesterday wasn't 100 ....... I don't know what was.
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Chubb 88.2.
What the heck more does he have to do to get to 90+???????
If yesterday wasn't 100 ....... I don't know what was. Probably blamed him for not picking up the block the couple times Mayfield got pressure.  (Honestly I don't even know if he was on the field) Maybe if he made a few more tackles, had kept their running game in check a little better? I don't know what else he could better than average 7.6 yards per carry on 19 carries and 3 catches for over 30 yards....
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That's it, I'm buying a Sendejo jersey. Do they make those?
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NO NO NO .... Baker was AWFUL. All caps AWFUL. I read it here, it must be true.
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this is a big reason why I think we will pick up Baker's 5th year. he is a leader among men
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Want another reason? It would be difficult for us to replace him. look how long it took us to get him. At least, at this point anyway, he is decent and competent and has some upside with the system and coaching we have.
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Just asking, when Baker started in the NFL, he was throwing balls too hard for receivers to catch sometimes. It seems that many of his missed passes in the past few weeks were touch passes. Could it be that he still learning the finer details of throwing passes with touch as opposed to his natural tendency to throw bullets?
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just put a chip at each end of the football and call it a day. It's the next step in the evolution of the game. No difference between this and Paul Brown's taxi squad substitutions or helmet speakers for the QB. Chips- or lasers. Or a combination of both. Get it right, and get it fast. .02
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Agreed. If we’re going to review every minor thing, you might as well do it
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Want another reason? It would be difficult for us to replace him. look how long it took us to get him. At least, at this point anyway, he is decent and competent and has some upside with the system and coaching we have. On top of that his record is almost back to .500 right? More importantly we're sniffing the playoffs. No, Baker isn't the driving force behind it, but he is the guy managing the offense that has put us in the driver seat. I suppose I understand any hesitancy to sign him to a 2nd contract already, but how do you not pick up that 5th year and look for progress and consistency?
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A lot of factors are at play when a quarterback throws a ball in a game situation.
You have your playbook with the design of the play. Under center or in shotgun. The route trees of those involved in the play. The blocking assignments. The drop steps are timed to the patterns.
In practice you run the plays over and over. Timing and execution are forefront.
Then in the game live action dictates or alters what really takes place.
Some red zone plays calls for touch to the endzone corner as an example. But the defense may alter the play to a degree and the throw may have to change.
On a screen to the flat you may need to float a ball over a defender or you may throw quicker depending how the play unfolds.
Most quarterbacks know from playing how much mustard is needed.
In the end IMO each play needs to be broken down and looked at because each play becomes different in the game.
Baker has a strong arm. Practice should prepare the receivers for what to expect. Every qb throws a different ball to a degree.
Deep outs have to have zip. Crossing routes need more lead when throwing.
Baker has shown both in college and the NFL that he can make the throws the way they need to be made.
That does not mean that happens correctly all the time.
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just put a chip at each end of the football and call it a day. It's the next step in the evolution of the game. No difference between this and Paul Brown's taxi squad substitutions or helmet speakers for the QB. Chips- or lasers. Or a combination of both. Get it right, and get it fast. .02 You are right but I don't like every evolution. Especially the "Where, to the inch, was the ball, when some part of him grazed the top of the grass and he was down" calls. Sorry, I like the old days when they placed the ball where your momentum stopped when you hit the ground. If that means you were in the endzone even though your forearm touched the grass before the ball crossed the plane, then so be it. Let it stand. If you make a spin move and then run for another 20 yards and they can show that your knee actually touched the ground, sure, bring it back. But this microscopic measuring to the inch and piecing together different angles to see where the ball was when your shin grazed the grass on your way down.... I don't like it. It has both saved and hurt the Browns this year but I still don't like it.
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Chubb 88.2.
What the heck more does he have to do to get to 90+???????
If yesterday wasn't 100 ....... I don't know what was. Who really cares? Would a higher rating make you like him any more? I doubt it.
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just put a chip at each end of the football and call it a day. It's the next step in the evolution of the game. No difference between this and Paul Brown's taxi squad substitutions or helmet speakers for the QB. Chips- or lasers. Or a combination of both. Get it right, and get it fast. .02 You are right but I don't like every evolution. Especially the "Where, to the inch, was the ball, when some part of him grazed the top of the grass and he was down" calls. Sorry, I like the old days when they placed the ball where your momentum stopped when you hit the ground. If that means you were in the endzone even though your forearm touched the grass before the ball crossed the plane, then so be it. Let it stand. If you make a spin move and then run for another 20 yards and they can show that your knee actually touched the ground, sure, bring it back. But this microscopic measuring to the inch and piecing together different angles to see where the ball was when your shin grazed the grass on your way down.... I don't like it. It has both saved and hurt the Browns this year but I still don't like it. Especially when the placement of the ball is subjective the the ref's perspective, and the measurement by chain is to a fracture of an inch.
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Kinda funny that already I have seen "analysts" picking the Titans to roll over the Browns.
Everyone buying into our record is against losers.
If you look at team offensive and defensive rankings the Browns and Titans are very close.
Actually I like our chances.
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Perhaps they did not see the Titans lose to the Bengals. These "analysts" only think about the last game that was played - against depleted Colts and assume Browns will get spanked. The Titans are the flavor of the week.
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Sounds like it’s a great nickname (weren’t we just talking about it??)
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Kinda funny that already I have seen "analysts" picking the Titans to roll over the Browns.
Everyone buying into our record is against losers.
If you look at team offensive and defensive rankings the Browns and Titans are very close.
Actually I like our chances.
It was the Titans that outright stomped all over our heads in the opener last season to pop the bubble of hype surrounding this roster. Now, there is hype building again as we're 8-3. I absolutely favor them over us because we haven't proven too much, yet. Now is our chance to rise, or be what we've always been.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Assuming we will beat two very beatable NY teams, this game is our best chance to lock down a playoff spot IMHO. It's almost a must win.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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The one against the Ravens is probably the true Must Win, but since this one is up first, it is a MUST WIN.
For one, it puts pressure on the Ravens at worst, and at best it puts distance on them should they lose to Pittsburgh.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Best game of the year remember we were without
Myles,Ward,and Harrington on the road.
Refs shooting them to good .
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