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I laugh when I hear people say oh Baker needs a good O-line to be successful. What QB doesn't? Of course a QB needs a good O-Line. Would Tom Brady have been as good if we drafted him and put him behind some of the lines we've had here? I think not. Ridiculous!

Yep, Njoku stumbled. Very early recognition. You don't have time to see if he'll recover.

We got to see further confirmation that a passing game that runs through Jarvis with Higgins beating up on #2 CB's (technically #3 CB with Bradberry out) and DPJ being the big play threat is surprisingly effective. I believe all 3 have a catch rate of over 70% (that's an "all hand's team" sort of rate).

Do y'all realize that Higgins yards per target is over 11? Not yards per catch...per target. Heck DPJ's is over 17! Yeah, small sample size, but how n the heck does a rookie 6th round pick have almost 300 yards on 17 targets?

Secretly, I think his emergence as a deep threat is what is actually making it click. Essentially the Breshad Perriman role from 2018.

I really hope Odell comes back full boar next year and we extend Higgins.

WR1: OBJ, DPJ
WR2: Jarvis and Higgins
with Hodge for speed and another mid-round rookie to finish off the room.

That's a crazy WR group.

OBJ will not be on the team next year.

Higgins is not a rookie

That's the spirit.:)

Anyway, back to the game. The Giants run D is exactly what I thought it was. What I want Cleveland's to be. Hunt and..err...D'Ernest had nice runs to the outside, but their D-line stopped up the inside very effectively.

Go after Tomlinson in free agency (the Giants have to figure out Leonard Williams and likely Logan Ryan) and "extend" Richardson (I went in to that a few weeks back where an extension for 2021-2023, though really 2021-2022 would be both cheap and advantageous for both parties).

Giving up almost 6 yards a clip to Alfred Morris is not acceptable.

Patiently waiting for Garret to get his lungs back is frustrating. I didn't get mine back for over 6 months.

Ward being back saved our pass defense (or maybe it was playing against "OMAHA!" and/or possibly having Sendejo out). That 1st half defense was pretty sketch.


ON TO...err...NEW YORK!

Lol, DPJ, man. I know I was talking about both. No worries.

Next time I watch a game with McCoy as the starting QB, I'm going to do a drinking game.

Take a drink at "OMAHA!."

Take a shot every time he calls out the MIKE.

OBJ will not be on the team next year.

I agree.

I agree too ... I can see us trading him if possible, and then drafting a WR in a mid round

I'd ask for a 2nd and 3rd but end up settling for a 3rd next year a 3rd the following year. Thoughts?

Yeah if we could get a 2nd I’d take it quickly

I could see us drafting a WR inside round 3 depending how the draft unfolds.

The Good:
O-Line, especially Harris stepping up.
WRs - Juice, Hollywood, and DPJ
Baker

OV
Sheldon
Goodson
Ward
Joseph

The Bad:
Parkey - albeit 48 yard extra point no gimme. Just not confident he will hit a clutch 50+ yard if needed. Better than what we have had the past few years, however.

The Ugly:
Injuries - Hubbard, Richardson, MG (huffing and puffing - looked gassed from the get-go).

Anyone notice Collinsworths' references to Baker's throwing motion to Elway. I thought it was spot on. He can rip it like Elway, too.

This season is not over. Actually if playoffs are your standard, our most important games are yet to come. But even with that said I still can't help but reflect. To reflect on the metamorphosis we have all seen take place in front of our collective faces. And yes, Baker is a huge part of that but it's not isolated to Baker.

We have witnessed a bunch if individuals formed into a team. Because while we have all called the Browns "our team" for a very long time now, they have not been playing as a collective body that one would think of when you say the word team. And let me explain just how critical that is.

A team is a group of people who work together as a unit. A group that feels they can depend on each other to do their job. A group of people who as individuals understand that working as a team is more important than their individual accomplishments. People who understand that their teammates, yes, their football family are depending on them. Only under these circumstances will you see the metamorphosis we have all witnessed.

That can only be accomplished when the head of your family, in this case Stefanski, makes this happen. Only when the members of the family believe the patriarch is the person capable of and trustworthy of following and believing in.

We saw a rookie, third string, sixth round pick at Guard come in and play like a pro. Not enough praises can be stated about Bill Callahan. This is something we haven't seen here in a very, very long time. For some of our younger fans maybe never. Since the days of Belichick I can't remember a time that I had any confidence in the depth chart to this extent. And even last night I was extremely worried until I saw the evidence first hand.

We are witnessing a different Browns team. Unlike some I don't think we are a finished product yet. There are mountains left to climb. But in a single season I've seen this team grow by leaps and bounds. I've witnessed Stefanski and company do more with this team than I ever thought possible. I've witnessed Baker reach a comfort level the likes of which I've never seen before and an offense that hits on all cylinders.

It feels good to be a Browns fan again.

I always hated when people pointed this out when he was here, but I guess I'm going to do it now. I saw Colt look fairly ineffective and then pad his yardage stats in the 4th.
I laughed at Freddie's call at the end of their first drive. This is what we (some) came to see.

Baker looked really really good. Only had a couple off throws, and didn't have a dominating run game to lean on (our line was hurting, and their Dline is stout).

Our defense stepped up when they needed to. Curious how people feel about Wilson getting benched now that we've watched the game. I thought our LB play looked just as hit-or-miss as it did before.

Karl Joseph had himself a GAME. Really popped off the screen in the first quarter, but was also making plays throughout the game.

Glad with the win. Nervous about next weekend now after the Jets get a W. Maybe it was Williams?

Anyhow, the Giants dared us to defeat them with the passing game by loading against the run. After we started beating them with the passing game, they adjusted to.........still daring us to beat them with the passing game by loading against the run.

And we did.

And that will be a GOOD thing. We don't need prima donnas who pout when they don't get the ball. We need TEAM players who are OK getting what they get and playing their part helping the TEAM win. Period.

OBJ blocked his heart out, and got injured trying to run down someone after an INT, honestly I think he played a bit too selflessly there.

I dunno where this primadonna attitude thing comes from. OBJ is an elite talent and it would be insane to cut him or trade him for scraps.

Unless of course his knee doesn't heal right, nothing we can do about that.

OBJ is a very emotional player. I have seen no evidence of him being a bad teammate. The guy works his butt off and I have no doubt he will return better than ever.

All of that sort of talk is media manufactured.

Yeah I don't get the OBJ hate. Dude is known for being an exceptional teammate from stars down to UDFA who might not even make the team. I don't confuse emotion from him as being a diva. His desire to win is real and I think we are even better with him.. Hell the man blew out his knee chasing down a defender who just picked the ball off on a horrible throw. Thats being all in. Sucks we are having this success without him. You know its got to hurt him

10-4!!!!!!

I saw multiple players making good plays throughout the game.
I saw a QB who continues to improve every week.
I saw an OL show a next man up mentality that could only be considered a myth by this fan base in years past.
I saw a team continue to win games they should win.
I saw a team that continues to limit penalties.

Jarvis IMHO it was a BS penalty. Anyone else notice how long it took to show the replay?
The play is over. Jarvis has his back to the DB as he celebrates into the camera. The DB bumps into Jarvis... BS.

I heard Collinsworth compliment Judge for accepting Landry's penalty and keeping a point off the board. I had to run it back. My 9 Y/O daughter would have known to accept that penalty.

I didn't see it mentioned, but I'm getting concerned by Garrett's health. Lamar got COVID around the same time as Myles, and he's running wild the last 3 weeks. Garrett could not beat a rookie LT that has not been very good, and was winded like 2 plays into the second half. Nothing to do but hope it gets better I guess.

Covid affects everyone differently. It's just that simple.
Told my wife last night "Myles still isnt back to normal."

Yes, he seemed winded.












one person can get it and die. A similar person can get it and feel little effcts, if any at all.

re: OBJ and Baker

In 2018, when Baker replaced Taylor and never looked back, he was impressive. In 2019 Freddy was in charge and the team had acquired a superstar receiver in OBJ. Baker's performance suffered for a complexity of causes, one of which was an emphasis on getting the ball to OBJ.

In 2020 the season seemed to start as more of the same. But when OBJ got hurt, it was almost like the Wizard of OZ, in black and white until the house landed in OZ, then everything was in color. The 2018 version of Mayfield reappeared. And the assumption was made by some that Baker and the team are better off without OBJ.

I disagree. As with everything else in life, things are complicated. Sometimes we can misjudge the importance of a single event. I suggest that due to many other forces at work, 2019 Baker wasn't ready to assimilate OBJ into how he best plays without overemphasizing his role. I further suggest that when OBJ returns, Baker will be better at involving Beckham without overemphasizing him. And that has the potential to become what we all envisioned when the trade was made.

I would think that if there were any sort of serious worries about his long-term health that he wouldn't be out there.

It is concerning that he kinda disappeared last night. You would think all the circumstances would set him up for a big stat night.

It doesn't explain all of what is going on, but I did see it mentioned that when you get put on the COVID list, you're not allowed to work out. That would explain at least a small part of his cardio suffering somewhat.

Many refuse to accept the obvious. At the beginning of this season we were once again dealing with an entire new offense and defense. Most of it was being taught on Zoom. The longer the season progressed, the more the offense progressed. It's a rather simple and easy concept to grasp but some people are just looking for a different answer.

Ehh.... there have been plenty of times in the recent past that expected gains over the course of the season due to more familiarity with the scheme just never happened. I don't blame people that started thinking this effect wasn't real.

The question I would have to pose to you is were any of those coaches as successful as Stefanski? First one has to be an effective leader and have schemes that fit into your talent for it to work.

I give Stefanski the credit rather than give the credit to the lack of OBJ being in the line up.

Everyone likes OBJ. People understand his talent. All interviews see his loss as a loss to the team.

All signs point to that he still likes playing with Jarvis.

I dont think its an odell problem as much as its a Baker problem. Baker needed to get comfortable in Stefanski's offense.

I think one more offseason under their belt youll find that they click. J

j/c...

OBJ is still a talent and a threat to any D. However, it does seem that we play better without him. If Kevin S., Baker and the other coaches can sit down with him and explain what role they want him to play and he excepts it, whatever that might be, then I'm all for keeping him. IMO he has to be ONE of the WR's not THE WR so to speak. If that can happen then keep him. JMO

Click on his name in the Twitter post. *next to the "verified" checkmark)

I agree with the general post and most of your points, except 1. The change from Baker the confused to the Baker in charge was that same game. It wasn't next game after the break, it was the next possession.

I'm sure you have a boatload of examples to back this up.