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FWIW, PFF's Steve Palazzolo agrees with you. I agree they should be able to keep all 4, just thought it was an interesting exercise.

As long as we're able to keep both Chubb and Hunt on the roster and playing, we should fear RB dropoff a little less.

Agreed. Chubb shouldn't have the miles on him like Ezekiel Elliott does. I would be happy if we signed Chubb to a contract that is a little less lucrative than Derrick Henry's.

https://overthecap.com/player/derrick-henry/4758/

I think our team’s balance of utilizing Chubb/Hunt points to them wanting to re-sign him

eh, that's a 2022 question, anyway. If it came down to a crunch, you trade/release Hubbard to free up funds for Teller. You trade Hunt to free up funds for Chubb. *gasp*
Heck, depending on how next year plays out, we have some hefty WR contracts that "could" be moved.
This year our base is over the cap, sure, but we can recoup all the overage via trading/cutting Hubbard (3.67+ million saved), cutting Clayborn (3 million saved), trade/release Njoku (6+ million saved), and restructuring/extending Richardson to save about 3 million more.

Not saying we will or should, just that the 16-ish million base overage is fairly easy to come by if needed for some crazy reason. And *gasp* we'd be right back to having what..34 million in space??

Baker, Chubb are the two we can’t let go.

Ah. Njoku.

He's another one I think of when it comes to re-signing players.

I think I keep him for his 5th year option. I think he's easily our most talented TE and quite possibly our best. He's actually our best blocking TE in my mind. Signing Hooper though we may have no choice but to cut ties with Njoku at some point. He could be our Kelce or Kittle. Not sure if Hooper is of that caliber and not sure there'd be a suitor for him if we were looking to trade him.

But I'd agree with others, Baker and Ward are my top two priorities while either Chubb or Teller are farther down the line. Although I think I'd lean a little more towards re-signing Chubb and not Teller. (Trading Bitonio actually makes sense, too.)

At any rate, after QB, it shows it is important to keep players in the pipeline. That is why I discount talk about drafting only D this year.

Drafting is much like investing, a balanced approach is almost always best. I feel the same about drafting players and why I tend to lean towards BPA.

We may not need a OL now, or a RB now, or whatever, but we will sooner or later....and it's funny how it turns out to be sooner most of the time.

Now that we are good, the challenge before us is to stay good. To me, the way to stay good is to plot your roster 4 years down the road, then look at the holes you might have.

I think we are doing that. Harris and Treeter might be a good example. How long is Tretter under contract? Maybe next season? Is he a guy we are going to sign another 4 years or is he a guy we let walk and go with Harris?

IMO staying good is harder than getting good because you not only have to consider the here and now, you also have to consider 3-4 years down the road.

One thing about Hooper: he seemed to be a bit heavier and clunkier than I remembered him with Atlanta. Maybe we needed him to gain weight to block, but he didn’t seem to have the same athleticism

IIRC we already took the 5th year on Njoku.

But none of it is guaranteed

I just don't think that 1 good quarter of a season erases the past several years of Njoku being infuriatingly inconsistent. Plus, there were the rumblings and grumblings of him sitting out earlier. I just wonder what he wants as far as contract, and if he's going to regress to being a poor blocker with inconsistent hands once he gets it.

I'm not sure if it has to do with a contract. I think is it was a marriage of a few things. First, the treatment he received from Freddie (much like Higgins as well), him getting butt-hurt that they signed Hooper to a massive FA deal no longer making him the #1 TE and the drafting of Harrison Bryant.

His possible reaction to the last two and wanting out, I think, was rather sophomoric but he could have also been prodded a bit to act by his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, who has a propensity for these sorta things.

All that said, I think Njoku still has the highest ceiling of any TEs on this roster. He is more athletic than all of them and maybe one of the most athletic in the entire league, was the best blocking TE this year (huge + from previous years) and is the biggest (pun intended) red zone threat on this team.

His hands still concern me, has had a few injuries the past two seasons, and at times looks awkward making plays with the ball.

His blocking didn't improve (as far as I noticed, at least), until the very end, as he was still whiffing several times per game and getting his RBs blown up. At one point this year he was losing playing time to the rookie.

I guess I simply wrote him off at the beginning of the season, and it was just too little too late.

If it ain't broke don't fix it .. Leave the Offence alone and move Ward . Love the kid ; Have watched him his whole career ; he will never play a full season ..

You don't that and besides you never let an all-pro player walk ... JMHO

See Schwartz, Mitchell B.

Ward is considered a top 10 CB in the NFL. No way we let him walk.

I don't think it's an anomaly. I think Njoku was always the best blocking TE in the team. I don't think it happened in just one quarter of play.

1. Baker
2. Ward
3. Teller
4. Chubb

That's my pick out of the four to choose from ! It would come down to Teller or Ward to me .. At this point I don't want to do ANYTHING to disrupt the continuity of the offence ..

Out of those 4 I’d definitely let Ward walk as well

Luckily, we don't need to let any of them walk

nope, not yet

I think people are underestimating the importance of having a very good corner.

You don't get better by letting an all-pro CB walk ... smh

First 8 games when Chubb was injured most of those games the Browns went 5-3. The last 8 games when Chubb played all 8 games the Browns went 6-2.

I think he is the most important player on that list. Run the ball and stop the run. Still the fundamentals of the game.

no doubt about it. I do worry about his injury history and proclivity to be down. And, yes, I know injury history doesn’t always lead to the same future.

I worry about Myles as well, as we don’t know the long-term effects of Covid yet. He certainly wasn’t the same player the last half of the year.

Along the same lines, Teller wasn’t always healthy either, so I know it’s the nature of the beast

Football needs a WAR stat - or do they have one I don't know about?

If someone gives us a third round pick for OBJ do we take it?

probably we would

0% chance.

of taking it or getting the offer?

Taking it. Teams will definitely be making the offer.

If someone comes at us with an offer for a 3rd, all they get is faded laughter as the phone clicks. Even a 2nd will be met with "what else you got to offer?"

I think the only way anything below a 1st is discussed is if he comes back less than 100%.

Just because he didn't quite get integrated into the offense doesn't mean his value on the trade market is affected. We aren't in a cap situation that would necessitate tough decisions like this.

If we decide to trade him and realize we can't get a 1st I wouldn't settle for anything less that 2 #2's.

Agreed. Probably not.

However, a 2nd rounder? I think that is a different scenario entirely and the FO might take that and run for it.

The issue is his constant injuries and his contract situation for 2021. Not sure if any team is all that interested in shelling out a decently high draft pick and taking on the salary in a 2021 covid cap situation.

But ya never know.

Unless Berry is a negotiating genius, there is next to no way we are getting anything back close to what Dorsey forked over. I doubt two second rounders is realistic as well.

People need to realize his contract is a liability at this point in time and teams would be taking that on for 2021. That hinders the return IMO.

Overall his trade value isn't all that much at this point. We'd be selling low right now.

And that the Haslams loving having him on the team.