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That's because he doesn't have a spine.

We all have opinions.

I don't think, "I'll delay the trial until I have an excuse why I can't vote guilty even after I admit he's guilty" is an opinion.

Cleaned it up.

But let that sink in for people.

Tell someone who cares.

Oh I know you don't care. You think it's fine for McConnell to manipulate the timeline and use it as an excuse to let trump off the hook for something even he admits trump is guilty of.

You don't care if trump is guilty. You don't care they tried to overturn the elections. You don't care about having a stable democracy, obviously. But most people do. It speaks volumes about you.

Honestly I don't know anyone well enough on here to know what they really think about politics and the state of the country.... but from posts I have access to, it certainly seems possibly that Peen and a few others like him feel that a more Left government is tantamount to Socialism which they seem to equate to Communism ... and that ANYTHING is better than seeing the country they think they know move towards something they are afraid of / hate /fear.

And yes - having the Capitol Building under siege - an end to the peaceful transition of Power - lying about election security and fraud - all of Trump's lies and hate and division are all worth it if it stops the USA moving towards what they see as something "Unamerican". It won't matter if the majority of the country want what they fear ... they are intransient with their view of what America is and should be - and protecting that at any cost seems to be worth it to them. Turn a blind eye to what is unattractive, hold hypocritical positions where necessary, just don't let the Liberals take control.

I don't want to speak for Peen or anyone else on the board, because I honestly don't know what their thoughts are.

However, I will say that your notion applies to a lot of people, including my mom, and a lot of the older relatives in my family that were raised during the height of the Cold War and the red scare.

Again, I don't know to what extent - if any - that applies to outside of my own family, but I have noticed a visceral, spiteful reaction as soon as Sanders or AOC or any sort of liberal, economic notion is brought up to those people that I know, personally.

I will say, as far as this board goes, I have seen a few responses that refer to "Soviet" or "Communist Russia" which lends me to believe it is still very much engrained, despite the fact that the Soviet construct and the Sanders/AOC styles are apples and oranges.

Now, that being said, I myself align more at my core with the conservative, capitalist approach. I just feel like we have been experiencing such a high level of unbridled, oligarchic capitalism that began with Reagan, that we have gone off the rails to that end.

Which is much of the problem. You see I agree with many of the principals of capitalism. Where the problem begins is with unbridled capitalism. When there are no limits to it. When there are no checks and balances in the way of it being abused.

We saw what happens in the 1930's and before that time. When monopolies ruled. When there were no protection for workers. We overcame that but have gone steadily backwards over the past several decades. It has had a progression of workers rights being undermined. Wages being undermined and excuses for all of that.

Society has a way of seeing corrections made when things get too far out of balance. That's what we're beginning to see now. But never before have we seen a violent insurrection used as an attempt to stop it.

When you point out that the head of the senate actually postponed the date of a senate trial to use that as an excuse not to convict a president and the response you get is, "tell somebody who cares", it goes a very long way in telling you that democracy and the peaceful transfer of power is second to the goals they wish to achieve.

I brought that up to Swish in a PM a week ago. He and his generation fight terrorism. We fought communism.

You and yours are fighting terrorism, now called domestic terrorism. I fight communists.

Only healthcare for your people and a wage where working people can make a living isn't communism.

It is and may very well continue to be the case that self-serving individuals in power will utilize the term "terrorist" or "terrorism" to activate the fear factor in my generation (Xillennial/Millennial), much in the way that "Communism," "Soviet Russia", "USSR," etc. are utilized to activate the fear factor in the Traditional, Boomer and older X generations.

I think it then behooves us to look at the facts to see whether it is our inner fear factor that is driving our reaction, or whether it is objective facts.

In the case of the Capitol, I think you objectively see a group of people that is utilizing violent and forceful means to achieve a political end. I think that would rise to the objective level of terrorism.

On the other hand, I can't objectively see how the policies of many progressives in office rises to the level of communism or something akin to the red scare. As much as I disagree with their policies at times, if an objective parallel can be drawn from Sanders or AOC to the Bolshevik/Stalinist/Maoist regimes, I don't see it.

One of the issues is that people cannot understand the difference between communism and socialism as ideologies and communist and socialist regimes,

Communism as an ideology is beautiful but impractical because of human nature.
Communist and socialist regimes are horrific.
Because communist and socialist regimes are so evil, communism and socialism as terms get weaponized.

Ya Think !?!

Some will never see it. The hate, the abject evil, the false religion, the demands for conformity, the takeover of lives, even if or when millions get dragged from their homes and tortured, killed, or disappeared.

The same end has occurred many many times, even in just since the start of the 20th centrury 120 years.
Stop the holocaust! We don't have to have another holocaust, but the hate, the hate and the feuling of it from the top, I think there is a very dangerous threat that the lies which are propagated, with some false sense of moral being in the right,
a might makes right, and a, such a lust for demanding that everyone conform to the lies, these kinds of things don't end well,
that is the struggle, the struggle to avoid the next holocaust.

You probably can't draw a parallel on a case by case basis. One has to look at the overall picture. Communism, now cloaked as socialism has infiltrated the colleges and schools where people learn. It has infiltrated Hollywood. It has infiltrated the news media.

Sorry my friend, what more do you need to see? Our government infiltrated as well? That is happening too.

Just look and listen. Now I am a fascist as some people claim. We need deprogramming. What does that mean? To me it means we need the correct program installed.

Media outlets need to be de-platformed. What does that mean? To me it means they need to be censured. You tell me what that means?

Khrushchev was right. We would collapse from with-in. Well, here we are, on the brink of that collapse.

This has nothing to do with the President. I think President Biden is a honorable person. I didn't vote for him, but I have no real qualms about the guy. It's the American people I worry about. Many are as anti-american as it gets.

But, I am a old guy, and know things change. I just worry about this ground shift we are experiencing.

So, in the simple minds of some I will just go back to hoping only I get health care and don't want people to make money...really? LOL

Now Commies disguised as socialists. Coming from those who had Antifa disguised as white supremacists. What’s next out of the wingnuts on the radical far right? Women disguised as men abusing women and children?

The only problem with all of that - other than it being truly scary coming from someone sane and clearly able to think for themselves on many levels - nearly the whole of the Western World, nearly every single first world country, certainly nearly every European country is FAR to the left of where the USA is and where some of it's vocal Democrats want it to be.

Not only that - the "slippery slope", one step leads to another argument doesn't wash. Those countries have remained in the political position they are in for decades. IT IS NOT COMMUNISM. IT DOES NOT LEAD TO COMNUNISM.

Claiming that the system is broken because your views are vilified, while insisting what the "other side" is doing is Communism and taking the country to the brink of collapse? Perfect gaslighting or plain hypocritical - take your pick.

That's funny,,, yet you support Trump..LOL

Jc

I gave CNN credit for covering trump and Obama equally. Like it or not, they absolutely covered major issues under Obama like the drones, fast and furious, and Hillary Clinton’s trash ass non stop.

So I’m starting to wonder why Biden isn’t getting that same level of heat that those two got. I mean Biden is catching less heat than freaking Bush jr, and right now, I have way more complaints about Biden out the gate than even him. The softball questions have turned into Johnny manziel post game interview “win or lose, we booze”.

They didn’t treat bush with kid gloves out the gate. They didn’t treat Obama or even trump with kid gloves out the gate. So what makes Biden immune from it?

And then you got Fox News, who I thought was gonna go hard in the paint on Biden at least. But nope; turn them on, and all they’re whining about is what other networks are or aren’t covering. It’s like Fox News is the cable news version of that annoying ass hallway monitor kid that nobody like in elementary school because he kept volunteering to be a snitch.

I don’t even know what MSNBC is like, cause I honestly haven’t turned them on since 2018.

Right now I’m annoyed because even IF the right wing conspiracy that “Harris is the president” had any truth to it, it won’t matter cause Harris is no where to be found either. And let’s be clear; she ain’t no dick Cheney.

COVID bill shouldn’t be taking this long. Republicans are out here clearly on some Highlander nonsense right now, and it’s cold as hell outside.

Bout to have me watching soaps all day like Eve. Apparently she was on to something cause damn....

This post exemplifies my point, Peen.

How has communism cloaked itself as socialism and infiltrated the colleges, schools, Hollywood, and the news media? This is McCarthian.

If it has infiltrated, the infiltrators are sure doing a hell of a bad job because I see a lot of oligopolies and a growing list of billionaires and corporate lobbyists, along with a current minimum wage freeze that has been in place since 2009.

People weren't screaming "communism" when we had pre-Reagan tax brackets, or when FDR instituted the New Deal. You have people out there who are advocating for health care, and point to non-"commie" countries out there like Sweden, Denmark, etc. Now it's fine to disagree with their approaches, as I often do, but it irritates me when I see the "Red Scare" generation viscerally bristle that "here comes communism!" It's a fearful, and simple-minded approach.

But, honestly, if people out there legitimately feel like communism is a threat, rather than going full Joe McCarthy and screaming and pointing fingers at notions they feel are akin to communism, they need to correct the unbridled capitalism that is currently a legitimate problem. You can't call something like universal healthcare a communist notion, while turning a blind eye to guys like Martin Shkrelli.

Kruschev was right that we would collapse from within. It's not a new idea, though. Every hegemon has collapsed from within first, same as the USSR. I don't think we're on the brink. I think that is more fear employment. I do think we're headed that direction, though. I think the amount of good people out there vastly outnumber the bad. The vast majority of people I come across think differently than me, but, at the end of the day just want to do good by them and their families. We are just paying way too much attention to the crazies who have been emboldened over the past 4 years, by both sides.

To your last point, who doesn't hope that people make money? Me? Certainly not, and certainly not our current system, as evidenced by the growing number of billionaires and sole source companies (some of whom I deal with on a daily basis) that gouge our government and tax payers for every last cent. Now, if you're a sole proprietor or small business, yeah, good luck with the way things are.

Quick question - is the Highlander reference because they are trying to chop each other's heads off? I'm just trying to understand. I think that's what you meant, but didn't know if I was missing something.

To your main point, yeah I agree. If I had to guess why CNN is treating Trump with kid gloves, I think it's because Trump called them out individually during much of his presidency. You had never seen Bush or Obama have what appears to be a personal rivalry with a media station the way Trump did. It was kept professional. You saw the banter get hugely personal between McEnany and the CNN reporters during the lame duck period. Even though Trump isn't the President anymore, I still feel like they have this desire to win that rivalry by showing how much better Biden is than Trump.

And that's wrong.

yes

They invested heavily in the notion that everything would be so much better once Trump was gone.. the rhetoric, hatred, division, lying, incompetence.. it would all go away. They basically created a self-fulfilling prophecy, if they pull everything back and soften all of their reporting, it will appear as if it's all gone away and they will have proven themselves right.

So are you trying to indicate that the oval office under Biden hasn't fulfilled all of that?

I don't know of anyone who claimed that there wasn't nor wouldn't still be a major difference between the parties. Or that everything would be all sunshine and roses in our nation if Biden was elected.

What was claimed is that we wouldn't be seeing the flames of division, name calling and hatred being spewed by our president. And that is certainly true.

Remember that time Trump made fun of Trudeau calling him a weak leader... guess who wasn't on that stage today? The world can breath a little easier now... literally.

ALT-RIGHT SCANDALOUS!

People in Canada don't even like him.

This one is a bit of a head scratcher, but since Trump was involved and GOPers are using this to attack Biden, I will need more information (facts not conspiracy theories) about the who what when where and why of it all.

Fish, this post is for you and Throw to celebrate because I voted Biden but don't 100% trust his moves/motives.

I don't feel illegal immigrants need to be here, much less ones who are convicted sex offenders. Seems common sense.

My first thought was we should deport them too, but then who are we pushing the pedos onto? Here they will be in prison... there? I wouldn't want that on my mind. That's why I would like to know what Joe was thinking or if he just did this because of Trump's overall immigration racist BS. I mean who is going to fight to hang onto pedos for any reason other than controlling their prison time? I can't think of any other reason to not deport immediately.


And while we are on the topic of the border, are there still kids in cages Joe?

Send them back to where they came from. That's their problem.

If you want to coddle sex offenders then you need to leave also.

Obviously you are drunk again.

Not even close.

If you are not drinking, and yet thought to attack me with that asinine BS, then we are done. Expletive Expletive Expletive Expletive

You're the same dude that supports AOC faking faux anger at imaginary kids in cages by posting a photoshoot of her posing outside a chainlink parking lot.

When your sanity returns, I will have something more positive to say.

My sanity? You support and represent known domestic terrorists! You're almost sounding like Q tonight, Eve, making almost no sense at all. Sometimes I think you just come in here to fight even when talking to friends.

Oh and your boy is another dolt 45 kool aid drinker. Just an FYI.

Here is a post for the libtards who are too dumb to follow along.

AOC complained about immigrant kids in cages. But she didn't have enough drama to back up her complaints.

So she went to an empty parking lot with a chain link fence. And had a photshoot where she posed having giant tears about the imaginary kids in cages.

What a fake news muppet she is. An actress. Rubbing the balls of libtard men everywhere to take up her shield.

I roll my eyes so hard I can see my brain.

fake news

Keep telling yourself that.