DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum CB Greedy Williams on IR

I had a peroneal nerve decompression probably 8-10 years ago and still don't have full feeling. So, if it heals, it takes a while...but it doesn't always heal.

Ward and Greedy are...

Say what you want about Greedy and Ward, but (depending on what Greedy's situation ends up being) the takeaway here is you can't have your #1 and #2 CBs (or any position, really) be so fragile.

Greedy's situation still needs to resolve itself. Who knows, maybe he's an ironman that just needs to get past this setback... but if he does earn himself the 'injury-prone' tag then that means we need to have a 3rd (if not 4th) starter-calibre corner on the roster.

they were not really injury prone in college. fingers crossed it's just a hiccup

J/C. I think we should be careful about labeling players, especially young players. I remember not too long ago we had a linebacker named D Quell Jackson who Many labeled as Fragile due to some early career injuries, well he was an outstanding linebacker and had a long career. I think Jordan Poyer, T Gipson also were in these conversations , and have had very good careers. Some of these young men’s bodies are still growing and may really need a full NFL training camp to be ready. I am not saying this as pure fact but just something to think about. Depth is huge and we have done a pretty good job with that.

Poyer and a Gipson were considered not very good by the fanbase because they were undrafted guys.

I agree. That isn't to say I don't like the kid, but he hasn't been a member of this years football team as far as I am concerned.

Yeah, I thought of Poyer the other night while watching the Bills. He’s really made a career for himself, especially after he was deemed a ST player only. We could use him now!

I feel like I forget the last time he actually played. When and IF he comes back it would be like a totally new player to me, I forget this guy.

Not a #realfootballplayer.

He hasn't been on the field since Week 17 of last season.
He played Week 8 thru Week 17 without missing a beat, but he did miss five games from Week 3 through Week 7 last year.

After this season, he will have missed 20 of 32 games, not counting playoffs.

Always thought Poyer was solid-good while here, he def. emerged and played much better with Buffalo, forming a great duo at safety there...He grew as he left. I know I was kind of sour when Gipson left, as he was already a good player for us. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure if he had suffered injuries prior to leaving us. I always hate to see more holes created in off-seasons.

PS. Happy belated birthday bro!

Poyer only played six games as the starting safety his last season with us. He was placed on IR because he lacerated his kidney covering a punt. He is a guy that probably didn't get a great chance because of all the staff turnover we have had.

Thanks buddy! I agree w/you on Poyer too

I forgot all about that. I remember him being a CB at Oregon State...And him playing the pass reasonably well for us...He left for Buffalo, and boom became one of the better FS's out there. And yeah I agree, that never ending rotation of new FO/coach/scheme really killed any growth. Never thought I would be pleased with how 2020 has panned out, but luckily on the field our Browns really seem to have gotten it right for once.

It all sounded good until the "it (the nerve) will never get back to 100%" part.

Hopefully we'll see how he looks in camp.

Both are accurate. I think Williams will be good this year. We need both healthy for 16 games.

yeah, it seems like we’re just hoping to salvage it

The biggest thing to watch at this point is even if he comes back "100%", or whatever version is now considered 100%, will be how willing is he going to be tackling people with that arm and shoulder?

It's one thing to stick your shoulder in there when healthy, it's another when in the back of your mind you have to wonder if doing so might leave you gimped for life.

Nobody wants to be the guy with the dead arm dangling at their side.

Been there done that. It's no fun.

Finally we have good info on Greedy's nerve damage. That was a good article and I feel sad for he and Delpit.

Most concerning was this: "Williams has been told the nerve will never get back to 100% but that he’ll be able to play at a high level with it at 85% to 90%." The axillary nerve is what fires the deltoid. I hope he's going to be able to get that arm up on que when defending passes.

I agree....and what does 85%-90% mean?

Does that mean that he is going to have a 10%-15% delay in the arm working or does that mean it won't work 10%-15% of the time?

I don't know. I am not sure this sounds all that positive. We might best just plan on that guy being finished.

That's a good question that I don't think anyone has the answer to. But there is a third option that I notice you didn't mention.

Does it simply mean he will lost 10% to 15% of the strength in that arm?

Not saying that would be a good thing but there's nothing that indicates it means his arm won't work as quickly or doesn't work at all in that percentage range.

I had that nerve block done when they did my rotator cuff. I will never let them do it again. My right rotator is showing signs of weakness ..... and I will refuse the nerve block if/when it has to be done.