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Retained an important piece of the offense at a number that is equitable.

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Thrilled Hollywood is coming back!

Would have liked to have seen a 2-3 year deal for him, but that's mainly because I like the guy.

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Fantastic... hopefully he'll have a break out year and then we can sign him to a long term deal....


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Fantastic... hopefully he'll have a break out year and then we can sign him to a long term deal....


with OBJ and Landry healthy, this seems unlikely.

800 yards would be a breakout year for him.


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Fantastic... hopefully he'll have a break out year and then we can sign him to a long term deal....


with OBJ and Landry healthy, this seems unlikely.

800 yards would be a breakout year for him.


we'll see... I'm not sure OBJ plays the whole year... and Baker I think really has chemistry with Higgins... I think he has a big year... might be wrong...


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I almost feel bad he didn’t get more or longer deal.

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I don’t know how much he’ll contribute in 2021 but I’m glad we re-signed him.

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I almost feel bad he didn’t get more or longer deal.

No kidding I just don’t get why this guy isn’t considered more valuable



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It seems like he's going to work his entire career on 1 year deals. He produces too consistently for that.

Here's hoping that he gets off to a fast start this year and lights it up all year.


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I almost feel bad he didn’t get more or longer deal.

No kidding I just don’t get why this guy isn’t considered more valuable


Same. I love thought he'd get at least 4mil. He's one of our most valuable pieces on offense idc what anybody says.

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Originally Posted By: BADdog
Originally Posted By: highoman
I almost feel bad he didn’t get more or longer deal.

No kidding I just don’t get why this guy isn’t considered more valuable


17% of the cap is going to the WR core
7.5% is going to the TE group

that's not sustainable -- 24% for 6 players

a QB costs 17-25%. Baker will likely cost about 35 million with 18 next year
Ward 14 mill,
chubb 12,
hooper 12 mill
Garrett 12 mill
Landry 15 mill
obj 15 mill
Conklin 15
johnson 11
bitonio 11
tretter 10 mill

145 million in the above group...

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Great news! Every team needs at least one of those guys who is good at everything, even if not great at any one thing. That is Wood. He runs great routes, understands how to use his body, hands, and feet to get open, and catches just about everything throw his way. Welcome back Woods, and I hope you have a great year!


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Originally Posted By: highoman
I almost feel bad he didn’t get more or longer deal.


1-year deal could be just what the doctor ordered. This fa year is brutal for WRs.

I hope he does get to cash in at some point, though. Dude has earned it.


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I almost feel bad he didn’t get more or longer deal.

No kidding I just don’t get why this guy isn’t considered more valuable


17% of the cap is going to the WR core
7.5% is going to the TE group

that's not sustainable -- 24% for 6 players

a QB costs 17-25%. Baker will likely cost about 35 million with 18 next year
Ward 14 mill,
chubb 12,
hooper 12 mill
Garrett 12 mill
Landry 15 mill
obj 15 mill
Conklin 15
johnson 11
bitonio 11
tretter 10 mill

145 million in the above group...


Salary cap problems is a situation that we have never had to deal with. Never had enough good players. The way team restructure contracts and play the cap game is above my head. But I have a little faith in the plan.
Bitonio, Conklin, hopefully restructured, extended to help cap. One of Landry or Jarvis won’t be here in 2 years. Maybe Higgs can step into ones role. I can see him being a Landry type guy. Hopefully we can get out of hoops contract after next year if we have a replacement.
What if we can only have 3 of ward, Chubb, teller, or baker? Because we can only afford three of the four.

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Originally Posted By: jaybird
Fantastic... hopefully he'll have a break out year and then we can sign him to a long term deal....


I like bringing him back, but we have seen his breakout. That is why he works on 1 year, $2 mil deals.


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Originally Posted By: highoman
I almost feel bad he didn’t get more or longer deal.



In a way I do too. He is a good egg. He is steady, and a team needs a guy like that.



I hope he has a solid money plan because he isn't going to make 2mil forever.


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His best attribute has been his chemistry with Baker ... and I think he realizes it (and so do we). So for him to go elsewhere would not be wise for his career if the money is anywhere close to what we offer.


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Someone said we did have an offer on the table for the guy. Looks like he wasn't getting anything of substance elsewhere.

The reality is Higgins isn't doing this out of loyalty and he hasn't made so much money that he would be turning down more money. He needs to accumulate as much as he can as fast as he can because he isn't the type of player who is going to get the mega-contract.

That said, I am glad he is ours.


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Glad he will be back. I like OBJ but he does get hurt often. This is a wise move.


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The way I see it, the reduction of the salary cap, the other key Browns that will need to be extended, and the WR market all influenced what he was offered. He has a fit in Cleveland and a value that could be hard to duplicate someplace else. Thankfully he's here. The economics of his next contract could be better if any of the above-mentioned factors change.

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Another reason why Higgy might be underpaid by the team is that Jokes $6 mil contract is now guaranteed.

I don't recall Higgys numbers off hand, but I know they were better than Jokes 19 catches and 2TD's.

Maybe Joke should take Higgy out to dinner or something?


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A win win signing thumbsup The Browns paid a little more than they wanted to and Higgens took less in term, and $$$ than he wanted.


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Higgins is a unique kind of receiver.

Not big, not fast, not even quick.

He is a space finder. He knows how to get open and he catches the ball.

He works hard and is prepared. He does all the little things. He runs the assigned routes precisely. He blocks downfield.

What I feel he does best is beat zone coverage. He finds spots that are open. Baker knows how and when to go to Higgins.

He will never have big numbers. But he will make big plays when you need him to.

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Good news!!!! Great to have Hollywood back!


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Another reason why Higgy might be underpaid by the team is that Jokes $6 mil contract is now guaranteed.


If it is a factor, I don't think it is at the top of the list. What we are paying other WRs is, IMO. We are currently paying over $30M to OBJ and Landry in 2021. That's insane. Further, as a result of them on the roster, Higgins still pegged at the #3 WR, and the usage of multiple TE, Higgins snap count is still going to be limited.

Also, if we are going to be concerned about a TE price tag as it relates to Higgins, I'd be more concerned about Hooper's cap hit ($8.25M) than Njoku's.

OBJ, Landry, and Hooper account for a combined $38.25M cap hit in 2021. One has been injured for several years in a row and two haven't lived up to their dollar value, IMO. Although Hooper $$ compared to the others isn't as pronounced.

I was hoping Higgins would sign a long-term deal but having him back in 2021 is a good start. I don't see this FO continuing to pay the WR corp as much money as they are currently dishing out especially with the possible contract extensions of Baker, Chubb, Ward, & Teller on the horizon. My hope is that after this year, that position group dollar allocation will be amended and it will be an opportunity to include Higgins in the long-term plans of the organization. Clearly, Higgins wants to be in Cleveland and clearly there is chemistry and a connection with Baker, who is apparently already in the FO's long-term plans.

With all that said, it's good to have Higgins back!



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Great news. Will be interesting to see what happens with him in 2022 with all the other variables we have.


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So Higgy is kind of a security blanket, but we need a Cee Dee Lamb-type receiver, who can make possession grabs, get great YAC, AND blow the top off the D...and is on a rookie contract. That would handle TWO of our receiver positions in one guy. I guess OBJ is the closest we have to that, but he's been an injury machine so far, thus the need for a "security blanket." Hopefully OBJ has a great year this go-round.

And surely losing ONE TE wouldn't put our offense out to dry. A trade involving a TE down the road won't surprise me.

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Good point about YAC ... I think we were dead last in that category last season. Landry and Higgins aren’t typical YAC guys


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17% of the cap is going to the WR core
7.5% is going to the TE group

that's not sustainable -- 24% for 6 players

a QB costs 17-25%.



Heard Scott Vab Pelt do a segment on this the other day - I think since 2000 - no Superbowl winning team has paid their QB more than 12.5% of the Cap space.

Only 4 of those QB's have been paid more than 10%


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