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I understand what you mean about him missing four games and the impact his presence would have made. That certainly would have been our best case scenario.

At the same time, being a 1000 yard rusher sort of lost it's importance when the league expanded it's season to 16 games. It meant so much more when a RB reached 1000 yards in a 12 game season. It's why ranking RB's based on all yards gained in a season is so unfair to those like Jim Browns who played only in 12 game seasons.

This year we will get to see Chubb surpass the 1000 yard measuring stick in 12 games.

If you apply 1000 yards to a 16 game season the ratio would be about 1300- 1350 yards to what it would have meant in a 12 game season.

j/c

I just gonna leave this here...

Landry was looking for a penalty to add to the celebration

Is Chubb going to have very many yards this year? I know he missed some games.

That's freaking amazing right there. THAT is how good our RB Room is.

I hope that Ski learns to trust it more this coming season .

When you have talent all over the field you use a balanced approach. You sometimes tweak your game plan in one direction or the other based on your opponents weakness. Before the season began last year many talked about what a run heavy team we would be. I never bought into that. Being predictable is not an attribute.

Being predictable is definitely one way to describe it. Another way would be "you know what we're going to do, but it won't matter because you still can't stop us".

I understand that when your team is being built in one way. In business, you use your assets. Why would you become a run heavy team when you have Baker, our TE's, OBJ, Landry and a guy like Higgins who has a great chemistry with Baker?

We have been built as a team who has wonderful investments in both the passing and running game. We weren't built to be one dimensional.

I am not sure why you think Stef doesn't trust it...and I think we ran when we needed to run

Everyone has an opinion ; I am no different . With our line and Backs I believe he could have run more .. Period ! May I suggest all you short memory Dawgs go back and read MANY a post from Dawgs asking for the same thing in post game comments.

I will admit that I found myself frequently lamenting our perceived lack of rushing attempts only to go back to the postgame stats and see (more often than not) Chubb had reached his 20 touches for 100 yards.

The game that caught my attention was the game Ski didn't call.

Oh I did read them. I just had no idea why people thought we had Baker, just signed Hooper, had OBJ and Landry on the roster only to have a run happy offense.

That's the waste of a lot of cap space.

I will say I thought AVP called an excellent game. Stefanski seems to be more of the Shanahan type where he draws up a lot of different plays out of the same look to confuse the defense. More of a chess player, so to speak. The criticism of that is that sometimes those playcallers outthink themselves.

AVP, on the other hand, I don't think could strategize or game plan on the grand scale the way Stefanski does, but holy cow, he did not outthink anything. He saw them go down to their 3rd string OLB and basically said, over and over, let's pull Teller on him and just keep pushing on that pressure point.

Sure enough, it worked.

To me, it seems obvious that running the ball is the foundation of our offense. In my mind that's not the same thing as being "run-heavy". R-H is being sub-par in passing the ball. Baker is actually more effective if he isn't forced to sling it 30 plus times per game. Being able to execute play-action and roll Baker out gives us opportunities for explosive plays in the passing game. Both of those elements in our passing scheme are more effective because of the ability of the team to run the ball. We are still an AFCN team and the identity of our team should be physical and being physical means being able to impose our will in the run game. The pendulum has moved ( not swung excessively) toward running the ball in the league as a whole with backs like Henry, Aaron Jones, Cook, Kamara, and McCaffery, not to mention our own Dynamic Dawg Duo.

You think the pendulum has swung to running the ball?

I think our foundation is more being able to Run or Pass at will. We are whomever we need to be against any given opponent with the goal of getting them on their heels enough that we can dictate a balanced offensive approach that keeps them guessing and struggling to account for everything.

Chubb is a beast I wouldn't trade him for anyone or anything ... Get the deal done Berry

I will leave to carry on the discussion ; good luck ..lol

Nick Chubb - My favorite football player.

It sounds like you are scolding me and I am not sure why.

I don't think we shied away from running the ball. The stats I just looked up showed we ran the ball 495 times and passed the ball 501 times. Over a season that is as close to balance as we can get IMO.

How many more times should we have run the ball?

Ya cant have any puddin until you eat your meat ...HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY PUDDIN IF YOU DONT EAT YOUR MEAT!

I think this differentiation (run-heavy vs run-based) is a good one. Seems obvious, but not something I specifically thought about or saw mentioned earlier.

Even still, I would like to see Hunt get more touches. Chubb will get his, and Hunt tends to be overshadowed. Dude got like 5 touches in the playoff game against his old team. That had to be tough for him, and I know I felt for him after the game. He's been a great team player since coming to Cle.

Good Mornin and Good grief .. I was not criticizing or scolding anyone .. Was voicing my opinion on what I thought I saw during some of the second half of the season games. Their where times when Ski was passing more and enjoying it less; lol .. He got pass happy ! I happen to think that Ski is a very creative play caller holding the rains of a Three Headed Monster / Chubb /Hunt and Johnson .. That's it in a nut shell ..

Now if you want to see the stupid , over the top , ridiculous side of the opinionated be ; We can talk about Joe Woods and his Defense .. That's when I gleefully go off hte deep end .

I think people, don't want to see the intangibles, some don't want to believe the intangibles.

Sure this quoted part may have been true for the early season 2020 Browns and part of the year before, but running is a luxuory, or a, an achievement.

Running the ball. pfft.
The Browns being able to run the ball at will, pfft.

Every single game the opponent wants to stop the run, and 9 out of 10 games the opponent is not a weak run defense, so;
what is different about the 2020 Browns, what are the intangibles.

Do you want to think it was just Chubb? Well what about Hunt?

Well that's part of it, but so is having 4 suitable, playable, tight ends.

So is having an Offensive line investment where 2, (biggest 2 additions, (titans, and crimson tide,) would take a backseat in experience to 5 of the other 6,
and Hubbard was probably the best on the field and he was an off the bench, injury filler.

And.
People also want to overlook how important OBJ, and, OBJ in a mix with Landry and others, were to the run game.

If running the ball was just about the Rb, and the coach, then the Browns would chose to lead the league in rush yards every single year.

It's not that easy,
Like a 7 year old saying "let's just move to disney world"

( I could propose the foundation of the whole year's success was based on the success of the offense.)
( And further break that down, to the foundation of the offenses' success was the percentage of success converting 3rd and long situations since Mayfield began as the quarterback)
(And I could be right on that.)

But there is also the intangible of Mayfields' success being helped by Chubb and the O-line being able to move defenses around like a bulldozer,

And then. ^

That only exists partly based on two other intangibles.
1. The Browns have 4 useable tight ends. - We should not overlook this because even in Carlson, they had a tight end who scored, onoccasion, - should not overlook this because-

it's been such a rare characteristic of the Browns, almost equally as rare as how often the Browns make the playoffs, in fact, it's been a rare characteristic for
each and every time the Browns made the playoffs since Kosar was throwing to Ozzie Newsome, the last time it wasn't. ( the, 4 useable tight ends, intangible, again is what I'm talking about.)

2. The other intangible, ... (this is tuff, for me to follow)

The 2nd intangible, that allows for the intangible of the Browns run game and OL the ability to bulldoze and impose their will on opponents' defenses---to help Baker and the passing game complete a higher percentage of 3rd and long situations;

Is the defenses' being forced to keep a safety back in coverage to stop OBJ, and

that is only existant, predicated on the intangible of OBJ being not the solo big threat at Wr, or even 1 of a duo, but
the combination of OBJ, Landry, and "others" ...
( Not including Hodge, or Natson, who lower this, in my opinion)

But the combination of 3, 3+, forcing defenses' to pull resources, or "keep" resources, back in the backfield to stop the threat of the passing game..

Because.
History and football has, long proven, that NFL level Safeties that only need to crowd the line of scrimmage and cheat up to stop the run game, are a dime a dozen, in real sense of the dime a dozen analogy. (and they're real good at getting the job done, stopping run games.)

..............
Isn't that what PrplPplEater just said?
Yes.
But, just because PrplPpEater said it, doesn't mean people "Get" it. Sometimes things have to be, d-r-a-w-n out in explanation for folks, (even the team), to really start to "get" it.

Some things are intangible, they just don't happen.

Just because some people put a great big flipping green tree in their house in the first part of December, doesn't make any sense as to why some people might, (just maybe), get some feelings of glee.

There are some intangibles, but when you put all some of the intangibles together, you might end up with some smiling faces.

But, (So); If a foundation were just a "decision" to run or pass at will. ........

Then just anybody, could put any ole tree, in any ole building, at any ole month of the year, and sit there in disdain if people don't rush to decorate it, in the middle of June! It's intangible.
----- (I didn't even mention Garrets' Pass Rush's contribution. -it never ends.

Me too, all time. He displaced the Tyler Rose for my all time favorite.

This is exactly what I believe as well. When the opposing defense shows it's trying to focus on either the run or the pass, we have the ability to do the opposite. There's no reason to force our hand when we have options. Really good options at both the pass and the run.

Nick Chubb is the best running back the Browns have had since Leroy Kelly. He may surpass Kelly if he stays healthy and continues his career as a Brown. He is a great runner and excellent blocker and a very nice receiver too. We couldn't ask for a better running back. Happily, we have another back that is equally talented. It is my belief that the Browns have the best backfield in the NFL. Hunt is a top ten back and Chubb is top five. This is a GREAT problem to have. In our division running the ball is VITAL. You build the base of running the ball and playing strong D. Everything else feeds off of that. We are successful when we can run the ball effectively and then hit the play-action pass. We should also remember that Stefanski didn't get to install his entire offense. It takes three years to install the complete WCO. Also, there were no offseason workouts and not preseason games to get it all together. Stefanski deserved coach of the year. He earned it.

I'm sure I can't be the only one that, when Chubb gets the ball, I expect a big gain. Doesn't happen every time of course, sometimes not until the 4th quarter, but the guy brings it every time.

Hunt is kinda the same.

And I guess up front the o line should get credit also.

One of the things I noticed was how opposing players treat him; no barking and jawing, no disrespect. They help him up, something you rarely see.

He doesn't blow his own horn, he plays for the team, and he treats everyone, players, coaches, reporters, with humility and respect. He doesn't taunt, he doesn't dance, he just plays the game to the best of his ability.

My sigline has the ultimate quote, "I'm just trying to be the best Nick I can be." And he doesn't restrict that to football. In life, in everything he does, he's just trying to be the best Nick he can be. Love the guy!

Chubb Town!!!

You definitely aren't the only one. I don't know what the stats say but I feel like he has more 10+ yard TD runs when they hit the 20 yard line than he does goal line scores.

What's crazy too is how early in a run when you realize that its going to be a TD. I can't put my finger on it, but there's just something barely perceptible about him that you just know he's got the path to the endzone already mapped out.

Very Barry Sanders-esque

So, his very first NFL TD run, against Oakland, was like an 800 yarder. My friend and I were messaging during the game and I casually pointed out "Yeah, but he isn't going to do that all the time in the NFL".

Then, he broke another one for like 850 yards.
My friend just copied and pasted and sent back to me my quote "Yeah, but he isn't gonna do that all the time in the NFL".

And then he'd resend it every big TD run after that, even the following season, and now it's at the point where when I'm watching a game, if Chubb breaks a big one, I just speed-type that and send it to my buddy.


With the way Chubb runs, that one gets sent a LOT. Like every other game, it seems.

Agree. He always seems like he's ready to break a big one.

That is cool. Nothing like having an inside joke only you and your close friend get.