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Like many, I want to sign Chubb to an extension. I get the feeling I may differ in that I do agree with the thinking that backs are made as much by others as anything they do.
A guy like D'Earnest Johnson looks like he could step in and do a really good job. He might not be as good, but he would be good enough.
What I am saying is I wouldn't look to sign him over 3 years and the money would have to fit. If not, trade him for what the market would pay and move on. I don't think I would ever sign a back and make him the highest paid player at the position. Good backs aren't that rare, especially with a plus O-line in front of them.
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Like many, I want to sign Chubb to an extension. I get the feeling I may differ in that I do agree with the thinking that backs are made as much by others as anything they do.
A guy like D'Earnest Johnson looks like he could step in and do a really good job. He might not be as good, but he would be good enough.
What I am saying is I wouldn't look to sign him over 3 years and the money would have to fit. If not, trade him for what the market would pay and move on. I don't think I would ever sign a back and make him the highest paid player at the position. Good backs aren't that rare, especially with a plus O-line in front of them. TRADE CHUBB  
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At the lower levels/tiers of performance, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but not when you get to a player of Chubb's abilities. There is so much of what he does that is purely all him and that cannot be so easily replaced.
Thinking you could swap in D'Ernest Johnson for Chubb and not have appreciable falloff is just a gross underestimation of just what a back like Chubb brings to the game. He is more than special; he truly is generational.
If you wanted to look at a breakdown, there are a ton of stats out there like yards after contact, or forced missed tackles, broken tackles, etc... that can be used to give a decent picture of just how much a running back does on their own, and I'm pretty sure that Nick is either the #1, or at least Top 3, in almost every one of those statistics. He is completely on another level from a player like Johnson that is JAG.
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I don't totally disagree with you in theory. There's one thing that can't be accounted for by your theory that everyone contributes though. That's yards after contact. Nick Chubb And Kareem Hunt Lead NFL In Yards After Contact https://www.brownsnation.com/nick-chubb-and-kareem-hunt-lead-nfl-in-yards-after-contact/To me this is the measurement of a RB that can not be attributed to the help of the OL or downfield blocking. It's what sets apart certain RB's from the pack.
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seeing this many posts in the Chubb thread had me all concerned lol
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seeing this many posts in the Chubb thread had me all concerned lol At 12:02 last night I told my wife Baker was killed in a car crash
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That's dark. Even for an April Fools' joke.
I saw a post on FB where someone said Baker was picked up for DUI. But to go with death? That's dark.
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seeing this many posts in the Chubb thread had me all concerned lol At 12:02 last night I told my wife Baker was killed in a car crash
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At the lower levels/tiers of performance, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but not when you get to a player of Chubb's abilities. There is so much of what he does that is purely all him and that cannot be so easily replaced.
Thinking you could swap in D'Ernest Johnson for Chubb and not have appreciable falloff is just a gross underestimation of just what a back like Chubb brings to the game. He is more than special; he truly is generational.
If you wanted to look at a breakdown, there are a ton of stats out there like yards after contact, or forced missed tackles, broken tackles, etc... that can be used to give a decent picture of just how much a running back does on their own, and I'm pretty sure that Nick is either the #1, or at least Top 3, in almost every one of those statistics. He is completely on another level from a player like Johnson that is JAG.
I am not saying Johnson would be as good. I said good enough. I don't want him to go, and said so. I also said sign him if it works or trade him. People taking issue with that leads me to believe people think we need to sign him no matter the cost, and I don't agree with that.
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Like many, I want to sign Chubb to an extension. I get the feeling I may differ in that I do agree with the thinking that backs are made as much by others as anything they do.
A guy like D'Earnest Johnson looks like he could step in and do a really good job. He might not be as good, but he would be good enough.
What I am saying is I wouldn't look to sign him over 3 years and the money would have to fit. If not, trade him for what the market would pay and move on. I don't think I would ever sign a back and make him the highest paid player at the position. Good backs aren't that rare, especially with a plus O-line in front of them. After all these years of reading, I suspect there has never been a player in the NFL, in history, no matter how well they wore a hall of fame jacket, that if on the Browns you would support breaking the bank to keep the player on the team. 100% of all posts have been team is better off without em. At least it's a consistent message.
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I say we trade him for a #1 in this years draft!!!
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I say we trade him for a #1 in this years draft!!! I hope your joking 
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I'm not really taking issue with what you're saying. I'm just saying that when the time comes for a new contract, we can't just say, "His contract should line up with other NFL RB's."
There are specific intangibles that he possesses that put him in the elite category. As such his contract can not be expected to line up with other RB's who do not possess that level of skills.
So I do expect his contract to be a little more than some may feel is appropriate. At that time I think the argument that it should fall in line with other RB contracts falls short. I'm certainly not saying there's no limit to it.
I'm just saying that if you expect it to fall in line with other RB contracts in order to re-sign him we may disagree.
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Lets play a game... you can only keep 2
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Lets play a game... you can only keep 2
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Chubb I will figure a way too keep all three, other teams manipulate the cap so can we 
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Making up some hypothetical that doesn't exist isn't fair either. I mean if we're talking about being fair.
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Lets play a game... you can only keep 2
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Lets play a game... you can only keep 2
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Chubb what year is it? Chubb will be VERY good for the next 2-3 seasons. After that who knows. Garrett probably has a little more shelf life. Baker of course has much more, granted he continues to improve and stay healthy
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I always ask this question to other Browns fans. “ you can only keep three. Baker, Chubb, Teller, or Ward?” Most say let Ward go. Considering Myles is signed for a bit, This is the question.
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Like many, I want to sign Chubb to an extension. I get the feeling I may differ in that I do agree with the thinking that backs are made as much by others as anything they do.
A guy like D'Earnest Johnson looks like he could step in and do a really good job. He might not be as good, but he would be good enough.
What I am saying is I wouldn't look to sign him over 3 years and the money would have to fit. If not, trade him for what the market would pay and move on. I don't think I would ever sign a back and make him the highest paid player at the position. Good backs aren't that rare, especially with a plus O-line in front of them. If good backs aren't all that rare then why haven't we had one in decades? But yeah, we don't want a great back here in Cleveland. We just want "good enough" which means 800 yards and a couple of touchdowns. *snicker* What a load of crap. You want to trade our best player so Baker can throw the ball 100 times a game. Ludicrous. Did you even watch last season? Chubb and Hunt were the engines that drove our offense. You really want Baker to be heaving it up 40 times a game? Especially, it November and December? Right now, we have the best running back room in our division and in my opinion in the entire league. That is something a team can build around. In OUR division you run the ball and you play great D. That wins in this division. What you don't do is trade away the best running back the Browns have had since Leroy Kelly!
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Lets play a game... you can only keep 2
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Chubb I keep Baker and Chubb. If I can't then I keep Myles and Chubb. Chubb stays until he hits 30 or is damn close to it. Baker is still a slight bit iffy. Stick with him, of course. But Chubb is as sure a thing as one can get.
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Like many, I want to sign Chubb to an extension. I get the feeling I may differ in that I do agree with the thinking that backs are made as much by others as anything they do.
A guy like D'Earnest Johnson looks like he could step in and do a really good job. He might not be as good, but he would be good enough.
What I am saying is I wouldn't look to sign him over 3 years and the money would have to fit. If not, trade him for what the market would pay and move on. I don't think I would ever sign a back and make him the highest paid player at the position. Good backs aren't that rare, especially with a plus O-line in front of them. If good backs aren't all that rare then why haven't we had one in decades? But yeah, we don't want a great back here in Cleveland. We just want "good enough" which means 800 yards and a couple of touchdowns. *snicker* What a load of crap. You want to trade our best player so Baker can throw the ball 100 times a game. Ludicrous. Did you even watch last season? Chubb and Hunt were the engines that drove our offense. You really want Baker to be heaving it up 40 times a game? Especially, it November and December? Right now, we have the best running back room in our division and in my opinion in the entire league. That is something a team can build around. In OUR division you run the ball and you play great D. That wins in this division. What you don't do is trade away the best running back the Browns have had since Leroy Kelly! Sorry man, the load of crap is you saying I want to get rid of Chubb.
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Teams don't trade #1 picks for a RB...they will hit FA. As for Chubb I would wish to sign him but not break the bank. Statistics say no. You would draft another RB in the 2nd round and they can step right in and we are in a unique position of having Hunt.
Man I really wish we can keep him to his 2nd contract!
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Teams don't trade #1 picks for a RB...they will hit FA. As for Chubb I would wish to sign him but not break the bank. Statistics say no. You would draft another RB in the 2nd round and they can step right in and we are in a unique position of having Hunt.
Man I really wish we can keep him to his 2nd contract! So do I. I am just afraid that might not be possible.
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Trade Hunt and release Keenum next year. The cap savings covers Chubb. Use the 3rd you get for Hunt to draft Chubb's new #2.
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The cap increase covers Chubb; we don't have to do anything extreme to comfortably make a pay day happen for him.
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Trade Hunt and release Keenum next year. The cap savings covers Chubb. Use the 3rd you get for Hunt to draft Chubb's new #2.
Done.
We have the best RB room in the NFL why does everyone want to break it up? Besides Hunt Makes $3.5 Mil which is peanuts in the NFL
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The cap increase covers Chubb; we don't have to do anything extreme to comfortably make a pay day happen for him.
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Trade Hunt and release Keenum next year. The cap savings covers Chubb. Use the 3rd you get for Hunt to draft Chubb's new #2.
Done.
We have the best RB room in the NFL why does everyone want to break it up? Besides Hunt Makes $3.5 Mil which is peanuts in the NFL Who wants to break it up?
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I think he just took my post regarding this silly little exercise the wrong way. Though if it did become a money issue in 2022, I would in fact trade Hunt to save his 6.25 million cap hit and cut Keenum to save another 6.5 million if we had to to fit in Chubb, just saying. 
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