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Then he's a complete idiot. Everybody and their brother knew Burrow was a season ending injury waiting to happen.

Burrow all season was trying to play hero ball. He put himself in a lot of risky situation all in the name of trying to make a play. It was only inevitable for him to get hurt at some point.

I’ve actually seen Mahomes do this more recently too. He’s gotta be more pocket oriented moving forward (and, yes, his OL had a lot to do with that)

This is quite true... Mahomes, if you watch his drop back.. it's the farthest than any QB... he doesn't like to climb the pocket. He dips out back given his athletisim and then will try to turn it up field.

If you bracket him rather than rush him... you're more likely to get the sack. Because your defenders are playing for territory.

Granted he's such a damn athlete that he was able to hit people in their hands as he was falling to the ground... but that's something else entirely

Since the game was on the line and it was the last game of the year he did far more to force the ball to people. If it were a regular season game and they were getting mauled like they were. You'd have seen a bit more conservative play from them IMO. Lots more throwing the ball away likely.

Not sure if you're arguing that it's his fault, but with the team that he had I think it's perfectly normal that he felt he had to put the team on his back.

And thus the conundrum of differing opinions. Some people fell that being a good leader means putting it all on the line each and every down to set an example to your team mates. To show them your heart and grit. Some think a better form of leadership is to realize that you have to be there for your team moving forward because without you they stand no chance. That you should protect yourself with that in mind. The "live to fight another day" perspective.

So QBs go at least 1-3.

I would have held out for a bag of Tostitos, too.

j/c...



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To follow up on that, Ryan Tannehill in 2019 and 2020 averaged 91.4 (90.3 and 92.5).

It'll be interesting to watch how Darnold does in the next two seasons.

Yep. Everybody had him as the best prospect coming out that year but we went with Baker and I'm glad we did. Rosen was supposed to be the most NFL ready but Darnold had the most upside... Mayfield, Allen, and JacKson were the risky picks at QB... I still think the 2018 QB draft class will be one of the best in a decade or more.

j/c...

I thought it was obvious that Jackson and Allen had more upside, they just also had way more risk.

"Everybody had him as the best prospect coming out that year".

Uhhh, no.

That'll right a whole lotta wrongs.

Colin must be crying on Joy's shoulder.

crazy amounts of opportunities

I remember when we were winning the draft year after year and being trash. I get why people like draft picks but you still gotta hit on them.

And yet it can still end up as a Manziel /Gilbert type first round.
Yikes our GMs were awful.

Agreed. I was very happy we didn’t end up with him in that draft considering a lot of people had him pegged coming to Cleveland. That was the last year I really spent a good bit of free time watching games of QB prospects and I didn’t like him. I’m no QB expert but the interviews and the games just left me tepid.

All that said... I live in NY area and have watched a bunch of Jets games and the problems here were not primarily his IMO. Gase was an unmitigated disaster of Brownsian proportions. He might have a little rise into the upper echelons of decent to pretty good in Carolina. He’s still so young, who knows.

And as others have noted, that’s a nice draft accumulation for NY but at the end of the day no one knows as well as we about the futility of volume over value in the draft. How many years did I think we just HAVE to hit on one or two this year with how many picks we have. Yea, well...

... or.....

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You need a draft that lines up with your draft ammo (some drafts are relative duds), and you need someone who can cash in on those picks. Nobody bats 1.00, but you need someone that won't flub those blue-chip picks and will hit on at least half of the round 2-4 picks.

I felt the same way about Darnold.. I don't know what the finished product will look like,, but I don't believe he is as bad as his record with the Jets.. Hopefully for him, he'll go to the Panthers and they'll put some things around him to help.

The Jets sure didn't

j/c

Darnold has been wildly over-rated since his awesome Freshman year...seems like a good guy (like Ogunjobi), but he's simply not very good.

Player development is key to success especially with a QB.

That said I think at 23 Darnold is a chance I would most certainly take. I think Gase was a horrible coach for a young QB, hell if I recall he said he thinks he ruined Darnold.

The Panthers were in no mans land for getting a blue chip QB this was a solid move by them. I think Darnold will be very motivated to prove the Jets made the wrong move.

If the Panthers are smart they get someone to work with Darnold who is well known that can get him moving in the right direction.

We are lucky I think we have 2 coaches that are great teachers and understand how to build up a QB and bring out the best in them. We see that with Bake and it truly is paying off.

No disagreement on that...I don't think he should have been drafted anywhere near as high as he was...that's not his fault.

A less clusterfart as his coach and he may be a viable NFL backup...I just don't think the guy has it.

I think the most rational thing to say about the Darnold situation is that Adam Gase should not be responsible for the development of a QB. He is simply not effective.

Too many instances. I like Darnold. I hope he is treated better than he was in NY. I believe he would have done better with a different organization.

Hero ball in the Super Bowl to win it all? Do what you can. There were several times where he hit his receivers dead in the hands and they didn't catch it. But it came off of forcing the throw into a difficult or ill advised situation.

Hero ball in the 4th game of the season against a team that just has a better matchup against you?... play for another day...

I don't think it's bad to force things. However it's situational.

Take Carson Wentz for example. [video:youtube]https://youtu.be/OD2qmLoMh4k?t=581[/video]

I think it's very problematic based on the college game. Very few colleges run the pro style offense anymore. Many college defenses are also pretty basic.

That makes it very hard to project how a QB will transition to the NFL. It was already hard enough before because the pro game is so much faster it's always been hard to predict if a QB can speed up the time in which it takes him to process information and learn to read far more complicated defenses.

This only helped raise the difficulty factor.

A desperate need at the position is certainly another reason teams take chances on drafting QB's early in the draft. And the size of NFL windows is another good point.

I am surprised that Houston didn't trade for Darnold

They need to spend more time evaluating the coach and his ability to bring a young guy along. That is the mistake IMO. Keep it simple stupid comes to mind.

Why? they are going to be awful no matter who is at QB... why give up draft capital (which they don't have) when you're going to be in total rebuild mode... I think Texans should hope Watson gets suspended for only this season (or part of this season) and then they can try to put some pieces together in the next two years...