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They said the verdict would be announced shortly. Around 4:30 P.M. EST

Kind of along the lines of the back-and-forth I was having with OCD....

I'm not sure they're going to be able to get the 2nd-degree murder charge (based on the explanation that ThrowLong linked to). Prosecution has to prove that Chauvin intended to commit assault that led to bodily harm. Not to be flippant, but the bodily harm is proven easily enough... it's the intent that's the tough part. IMO, the 3rd-degree murder charge should be much easier for the prosecution to nail him on.

Each charge as it moves down the ladder gets easier to prove. There were enough witnesses that testified which made it evident Chauvin used excessive force and was contrary to his training. I can see where when you take such actions it could be considered an intent to commit assault. That will be up to the jurors as to how they read that testimony.

I agree with you that the third degree murder charge is easier to get a conviction on. Yet I have to keep in mind that the jury only deliberated for ten hours. Which makes me wonder how much time they had to work their way down the list of charges? I could easily see a scenario that they had time to look at the most serious charge and it didn't take them long to come to the conclusion he was guilty of it. Who knows at this point?

Guilty on all counts. Justice is served.

Great news!

A true and just verdict... he made it easy. Probably the most egregious, ridiculous use of force I've seen in my life. Hopefully this helps heal and serves as evidence that this conduct is unacceptable.

No doubt.

When I posted the video here when it first happened I couldn't get it outta my mind....."HOW LONG YA GONNA KEEP YOUR KNEE ON HIS NECK"??? "HE STOPPED BREATHIN 3 MINUTES AGO"!!!

Good. Wish they could give him the needle. Anybody know the max sentence?

40 + 25 + 10

Then he will probably get around 25 years. I'd be good with that. It all depends on how the judge feels about the totality of the evidence and if Chauvin shows any sign of remorse.

I never felt that way. After the first day of the trial I had no doubt he would be found guilty. Unless the jury had any sociopaths among them, you don’t watch a man slowly murdered in front of your eyes and not come to the correct verdict. I have more faith in the majority of most humans to be fair.

He had his day in court. Justice was served. I highly doubt he'll ever see a day out of prison.

And, the good news for cities: They won't burn tonight.

No doubt.

I also think settling out of court on the civil claim also put the defendant in a bad position to receive a fair trial. You don't think that didn't prejudice
the jury pool?

Lot's of people don't understand the burdens of proof necessary between a criminal trial and a civil trial. I am sure that was explained in the voir dire process, but none the less that put the defendant in a bad position from the get go.

All that said, I don't think the guy was innocent of a crime, and neither did the jury.

Amen.

I’m sure some might be defending this ahole, but everyone I’ve talked to in the last year, Republicans and Democrats, all said he should be found guilty. I’m glad the justice system got it right, finally.

There’s still a long way to go. We all need to keep working to make a better America.

Wow, watching coverage and Jesse Jackson is speaking. He's just a shadow of his former self. I know he's old but I could barely understand him as he mumbled his words. He used to speak very well. Wondering if he has some type of mild dementia.

Does anyone on this board disagree with the jury's verdict?

Sadly I’m sure there are. Staying silent.

You make a lot of assumptions. Read what I posted.

But, lib's gotta lib, right?

Many of us agreed with the verdict.

JMHO, the Police have a nightmare job. In moments/seconds or less they must decide to us deadly force or not....and if they don't they are not seeing Mom/wife tonight. Every day, they face possible death. Worst than military combat in many ways.

I'm pleased with the verdict. The Blue Line is against their oath to protect EVERY citizen.

All that said, Chicago Jackass stats, blacks killing blacks and the percentage of crimes committed by blacks compared to their population- if I were a cop I'd be more than concerned every time I was called out to enter black communities. I'm positive there are some blacks who get the stick, but MOST earned their time in jail....and until they, blacks take back their communities for criminal element, they will have no peace.
BLM, yes, ALL lives matter more, including the cops.
26yr fighter pilot, Vietnam helicopter pilot veteran who's seen some death, you couldn't pay me enough to do their job.

Peace brothers and sisters.

Couldn't even get through today without another shooting by cops. 15 year old girl in Columbus. Ugh.

I seriously doubt it. The video was that damning.

Guilty was the expected verdict. I think more people would respond if something more controversial was the result.

She called the police due to a disturbance outside her house, she had a knife to protect herself, and then she came out of the house to talk with the cops and they shot her.

We desperately need the Camden and Newark model expanded nationwide.

Columbus police shooting updates: Aunt says teen girl killed; crowd protests

An angry crowd protested near a home on the Southeast Side where a Columbus police officer fatally shot someone while responding to an attempted stabbing call.

The shooting happened just minutes before a guilty verdict was announced in the trial of Derek Chauvin, a former Minneapolis police officer who killed George Floyd.

The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation was on the scene Tuesday night on the 3100 block of Legion Lane, between Chatterton and Refugee roads to investigate a fatal shooting by a Columbus police officer.

Police received a 911 call at 4:35 p.m. about an attempted stabbing on the 3100 block of Legion Lane, which is located north of Chatterton Road. The caller reported a female was trying to stab them, then the caller hung up.

Officers responded to the scene and at 4:45 p.m. an officer-involved shooting was reported.

Columbus Fire medics were cleared to come into the scene at 4:46 p.m., police said. The wounded person was transported in critical condition to Mount Carmel East hospital, where she was pronounced dead at 5:21 p.m., police said.

No one else was injured, Columbus police dispatch said.

Police have provided no information about the person shot or the circumstances of the shooting.

Hazel Bryant told The Dispatch that she is the aunt of the 15-year-old girl who was shot. The girl lived in a foster home there on Legion Lane and got into an altercation with someone else at the home, she said.

Bryant said her niece had a knife, but maintained that the girl dropped the knife before she was shot multiple times by a police officer.

Protests develop at shooting scene

Protesters with Black Lives Matter signs, megaphones and a loudspeaker joined the crowd gathered behind crime scene tape about a half-block away from the shooting scene. About 50 people had gathered by 8:30 p.m.

"We don't get to celebrate nothing," K.C. Taynor said through a megaphone of the Chauvin verdict. "...In the end, you know what, you can't be Black."

Kiara Yakita, founder of the Black Liberation Movement Central Ohio, said she is not surprised that another police shooting happened. "Why did they kill this baby?" she asked aloud.

Mike Fair, 63, of the East Side, brought an amplifier and a microphone to the scene, and expressed his anger, suggesting "there should be an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."

We're not going to sit here and just sit around while you kill us, then go back in the suburbs," one protester said.

"Over and over, keep killing us" another protester said.

Hana Abdur-Rahim, with the Black Abolitionists Collective, said, "We are in a literal genocide. We are fighting for our lives."



Hardin vows reform during Columbus City Council meeting

During a council committee hearing Tuesday evening that allowed members to meet nominees for a new police civilian review board to investigate officers' uses of force, Council president Shannon Hardin announced that there had been another police shooting.

"We don't know very much as it stands, and as we watched the verdict from Minneapolis many talked about the sigh of relief — but there is a truth that for so many in our community there is no relief. This is not alright, it's not OK, and it can't continue on.

"We're going to need to have the utmost transparency as we go through and learn more (about the latest incident). But the truth is that nothing that we will do will bring this young baby girl back. Nothing will stop the family from grieving."

Hardin told the panel members being interviewed that the latest shooting shows why the city needs a civilian review board, "and we need to fundamentally rethink safety in our city."

"It certainly does put in stark view what you have been called to do in our community, each and every one of you: to provide oversight, accountability and transparency when it comes to policing in our community," he said.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crim...ide/7309088002/

There is an additional Twitter video of those protesting but they were using bannable language and calling for retribution shootings against police saying, "If they shoot us, we shoot them. We need to patrol our own neighborhoods and if somebody needs help we can come right away. If they want to keep shooting us, we need to shoot them." Not a fan of that kind of talk but I understand where it's coming from and I would probably feel the same way in their shoes. However, this incident needs more facts and hopefully video so we can tell if this cop messed up or actually responded to any kind of threat on him or another since she had a knife at some point. I've read she dropped it before going to talk to the cop and also heard she came out toward the cop with it in her hand. So as much as I hate to be that guy especially knowing we are talking about a 15 year old kid being killed, but we need more facts this time because the cop may have acted within police guidelines. That said, they killed another black kid at their house. I don't care what my kid has done, unless she was about to do harm to another, you shoot and kill her and I'm coming for you in every way I can. It's just hard to fathom what being black in America feels like in 2021 unless you are black in America.

They need to take some of these young black men and women of these neighborhoods, train them, and make them police for the neighborhoods they live in. At least then the police they would understand and have a connection to the people they serve. I think a generation or two of policing like that would go a long way toward improving race relations and crime rates in the country. I know for sure it would save many innocent lives that are ended either by police being in fear for their life just because they struggle to relate or people being so fearful of police confrontations that they do stupid crap that gets them killed.

Whatever we do, we have to do better and stop killing people who don't deserve to die.

I have never watched the full video. I just could not in good conscience.

To me it was murder 2. There was callous behavior on the part of Chauvin. You could classify it as torture.

People who would have normally intervened, did not because they feared the consequences.

George Floyd was murdered, maybe we know now how far is too far.

I am not happy or sad, I take no satisfaction in the fact that people die needlessly..

I hope this is a turning point, at the very least. If the guy gets a max sentence, I wouldn’t shed one tear. Sure as hell hope he gets more than the min.

I was wondering (earlier posts) if the jury was going to get hung up on the intent portion of the 2nd degree charge. Between guilty verdicts and the time it took to get there, this obviously wasn't the case.

That's not what happened.

I'm surprised he got murder, but I feel the outcome was justified.

You can't kneel on the neck of someone. Every cop I know has said you just can't do that.

The drugs he had in his system are irrelevant. What he did in the store was irrelevant. The fact that he was resisting? Also irrelevant. He had help there, there was no need to put his knee on the kneck of someone for that long.

Shame on the other cops who were there with him and said nothing.

Tucker wasn't happy that a cop was successfully prosecuted for murder...





He's a white supremacist and a fascist. He wants a police state IMHO. What a loser...

Really? I call Tucker a white supremacist and a fascist, so you march out Candace Owens like some kind of token black person retort? What exactly are you trying to say here?

I posted Tucker's little melt down laughing at him and you think Candace freakin Owens will change my mind? They are both deplorable. And she's a damn sellout just in it for the money and infamy.

Yeah... “The Media was lying” that coming from Faux News. Sit back down son.

People will shill and sell their soul to the devil for $$$ or fame or whatever it is these folks want. Sick people.

A police officer murdered a man on camera. Needlessly. It took 9+ minutes. Fox and Hannity are the ones playing politics with this. I think everyone else wanted justice.

And to highlight what politics there might be in association with this case - without a video Derek Chauvin is a free man and still a police officer protected by the closed blue line. Without the video - ANOTHER police officer would have murdered another minority and not been held accountable.

While some are celebrating that justice was served, I think a better take away is how extreme the institutional racism is in this country. How - without that video - this would never have been a 'thing'.

The reality is Chauvin has 17 other complaints about force used on minorities including restraining a black women with a knee placed on her neck. I'd be interested to know or see of complaints from non minorities of Chauvin's behavior.

As for the cover up - here is the initial response by Minn Police Dept:

"Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later," the statement read.

It stressed that no weapons were used.

"At no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident," the statement read.

The fix was in until the video emerged.

As for Faux news and their shills and contrived news about this story - it's pretty sickening.

Edit - what I actually find is this is endemic of the Race issue in this country where a large slice of mostly white, largely Republican people believe there is no racism. If anything they talk about "reverse racism" where White's are targeted unfairly being a thing more so than - you know "racism" where minorities are treated differently because of the color of their skin. They feel that through Affirmative Action minorities actually got ahead. They feel that police profiling is essentially acceptable because of the numbers of minority gangs and because of statistics showing minorities involvement in crime. They feel that White Privilege is a hoax or manipulation. They think that segregation and the 1960's are eons / centuries ago and that there has been way too much time and attention and focus on minorities who were repressed and abused at that time. They feel that minorities have exactly the same opportunities today as white America. They think "if only they would make an effort". They use black on black crime and gun violence as justification for just about any of this. And the simple bottom line is - they won't ever change. The truth could be explained to them every day for the rest of their lives and they won't change. They don't want to get it. Thankfully the youth seem to get it. There are still some being indoctrinated and brain washed by their racist families ... but hopefully, slowly, drip by drip future generations will change and improve.

Come on bro you know they think systemic racism has never existed in our society. They don’t see it because they don’t live it. They won’t even face it or look at it in spite of their own ignorance.

The commentator is correct in saying that the race card was not played during the trial. The trial was about the actions of Chauvin.

That said, it is a pretty factual statement that more Black or Brown people wind up dying by police on a per capita basis...

Some can suggest that there is no such thing as implicit racism, but the data does show a difference.