Okoro (SF), Allen (C),and Mobley (PF) would be the beginning of an insane front court. And yes, I think that Mobley has the overall ability to play PF.
to you and peen:
you guys dont think drafting Mobley would put is in the situation like Drummond/AD? where it seemed like they couldnt play on the court together.
I don't think so. Everything I have read and seen watching vids, Mobley has range to his game. He isn't simply a "in the paint" rim protector. He has a good shot. He isn't like a lot of big guys who shoot a little flat.
I think it will also have a big impact on our defense which is a problem for the Cavs. I could see us using a 3-2 zone, which is excellent against outside shots, and then have 2 big's close to the rim.
I don't like to compare, but I see a Kevin Garnett type player.
A Great defensive player, with the ability to hit the 3 around 28% of the time. No, it isn't like Larry Bird out there, but good enough teams will have to pay attention, so he can spread the court enough to create some space for the guards to have some driving room.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
We saw clips of Mobley dunking around the rim. I thought I would add some views of his outside shooting. The kid has a smooth shot that I am sure he can improve. Being a center, he probably didn't practice that a ton while in college.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
gotta admit, he looks like Embiid. lets hope he can stay much healthier than him, and we'll actually have a future.
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Okoro (SF), Allen (C),and Mobley (PF) would be the beginning of an insane front court. And yes, I think that Mobley has the overall ability to play PF.
to you and peen:
you guys dont think drafting Mobley would put is in the situation like Drummond/AD? where it seemed like they couldnt play on the court together.
Mobley can play outside. He can the PF position. If they take Mobley, which I think they will because unfortunately, Green will be off the board, I won't be surprised if Larry Nance Jr is traded at some point.
(I know you weren't asking me, but that's my $.02)
what a dumb trade.. I really don't see why Altman is still here.. No other GM got as much leeway as him. Nance isn't great but Markkanen is marginally more productive offensively and less so defensively but alot more expensive.. I don't see how this trade helps us at all
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CLEVELAND, Ohio – Scribbles in my Cavaliers notebook after they traded Larry Nance Jr. to Portland as part of a three-way deal. Coming to the Cavs is Chicago’s Lauri Markkanen.
1. Any trade involving Larry Nance Jr. leaving Cleveland would produce the same response of my wife Roberta. She heard of the deal and texted me: OH NO!!!
2. As many who have followed the Cavaliers for years know, Nance is part of the team’s royal family. Larry Nance Sr. was a star on the Cavs when I covered the team for the Akron Beacon Journal in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I watched Nance Jr. play for Revere High a few times.
3. I’m not writing that this is a terrible deal. After the Cavs re-signed 7-foot Jarrett Allen and then drafted 7-foot Evan Mobley, the 6-foot-9 Nance became more expendable. Nance has improved his outside shooting, but that’s not the strength of his game. In the 3-point obsessed NBA, power forwards are supposed to be “Stretch 4′s” launching shots from behind the 3-point line. The Cavs have no one to do that, at least not when Kevin Love is out.
4. What about Love? An NBA source told me the Cavs were making progress in a buyout for Love, who has two years and $60 million left on his contract. The source admitted it could fall apart and it’s not close to a done deal.
5. Nonetheless, the trade for Markkanen makes it easier to believe Love could possibly be leaving. The 7-foot Markkannen is the classic “Stretch-4.” Playing for the Bulls last season, he shot .402 on 3-pointers. He took more 3-point shots per game (5.8) than 2-pointers (4.4). So he appears to be a better fit than Nance with Mobley and Allen (who don’t shoot many 3-pointers).
6. In 26 games as a starter last season, Markkanen averaged 17.3 points, 5.9 rebounds and shot .478 from the field – .379 on 3-pointers. He is a talented scorer. When motivated, he can be a decent rebounder. He’s only 24. Defense...well, that’s a sore subject.
7. Markkanen lost his starting after the Bulls traded for Nikola Vucevic. Markkanen signed a 4-year deal worth $67 million as part of the sign-and-trade coming to the Cavs. So this is a fresh start for a former No. 7 pick in 2017. For his career, Markkanen averaged 15.6 points and 7.1 rebounds in 221 games.
8. That said, Nance brought much to the Cavs beyond scoring. As one NBA scout told me, “Larry is the best player in the trade. He is an elite defender. He is unselfish. Analytics loves all the little things he does on the court, and so do coaches. But Markkanen does bring very good outside shooting. Larry has battled a lot of injuries.”
9. The big challenge Nance has been staying healthy. He has missed 70 games in the last three seasons for the Cavs. The 2020-21 season was extremely frustrating because of various injuries as he was out for 37 games. His leadership will be missed. He has to be the only player in NBA history to be happy when traded from the Lakers to Cleveland.
10. The fans in Portland will absolutely love Nance. He is everything you want in a teammate. I miss him already. As for Markkanen, let’s see if the Cavs can help become a part of three young big men with Mobley and Allen.
what a dumb trade.. I really don't see why Altman is still here.. No other GM got as much leeway as him. Nance isn't great but Markkanen is marginally more productive offensively and less so defensively but alot more expensive.. I don't see how this trade helps us at all
At any rate, the trade offers for Nance have been there all offseason. But according to Hoops Wire sources, none have been very good. In fact, it appears that other teams are still in “let’s see if we can rip off the Cavs” mode.
what a dumb trade.. I really don't see why Altman is still here.. No other GM got as much leeway as him. Nance isn't great but Markkanen is marginally more productive offensively and less so defensively but alot more expensive.. I don't see how this trade helps us at all
At any rate, the trade offers for Nance have been there all offseason. But according to Hoops Wire sources, none have been very good. In fact, it appears that other teams are still in “let’s see if we can rip off the Cavs” mode.
because Altman is a joke and has zero credibility or clout in the league. Gilbert needs to sell the team. Ever since his health declined he's not really doing much. We've had some pretty good draft capital squandered by Altman.
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I think the Cavs agreed to a long term deal to pay him. Is there anything in that contract that provides a contingency of his pay being based on performance?
If not it's the Cavs who are at fault here, not Love.
At your job do you have a contract that is not based on performance? We see it all the time in the business world. CEO's do a terrible job and the corporation has to pay off their contract to get rid of them. This isn't any different.
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I think you are taking his comments the wrong way. I don't think he is saying anything about the contract structure/validity. I took his point as being that he is getting paid a lot of money and essentially contributing nothing to this team which is essentially stealing as an analogy not literal context.
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I think the Cavs agreed to a long term deal to pay him. Is there anything in that contract that provides a contingency of his pay being based on performance?
If not it's the Cavs who are at fault here, not Love.
At your job do you have a contract that is not based on performance? We see it all the time in the business world. CEO's do a terrible job and the corporation has to pay off their contract to get rid of them. This isn't any different.
No, but I feel an obligation to perform to the best of my ability. If I went in everyday and half-assed it, I'd feel like crap knowing my co workers had to pick up my slack. I'd also feel like I were stealing from the company. He's a very rich man who's just being greedy and crapping on the organization and fans that made him rich. He can take a buyout and still come away with a lot of money, but he wants to leech every cent he can get. I don't see how anybody can defend him.
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Love will go down as the worst contract ever handed out by the cavs. It made no sense when we did it, giving an old guy with injury history a max contract when you're trying to rebuild.. It looks even worse now given what's transpired.
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Love will go down as the worst contract ever handed out by the cavs. It made no sense when we did it, giving an old guy with injury history a max contract when you're trying to rebuild.. It looks even worse now given what's transpired.
Giving blame where blame is due.
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I'm not defending him as a player or even as a person. I'm saying if you wish to lay blame, read leadtheway's post. It's the Cavs that put him in the position he is in now. It's the Cavs who agreed to the parameters of his contract. Who I also can't defend is the deal the Cavs signed him to in the first place.
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Love is taking advantage of a situation at the expense of the Cavs and the fans. If you can't see that, I can't help you. The crappy contract has nothing to do with my point. You just love to move goalposts to start an argument.
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It's odd how you call the contract concerning his employment "moving the goal posts"? His contract directly dictates the very money and terms you are speaking of. How could that be moving the goal posts?
So then are you saying the next time the Cavs sign a young player to a cheap contract and they turn out to be a star the Cavs should just pay them more even though it isn't in their contract? On the flip side owners get the benefits of contracts at times as well.
You see, that's how contracts work. Sometimes you get the better of the deal and sometimes you don't.
I already said I wasn't upholding him as a player or a person. But somehow that wasn't good enough for you. The Cavs signed an older player to a max contract with no provisions to protect themselves. I suppose you consider that Love's fault? A team with a slew of lawyers on the payroll screwed the pooch here and are no less guilty than Love is for the current situation.
Now I don't mind giving Love his share of the blame as long as people are willing to spread the blame around to both sides as both deserve some of it.
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He's taking advantage of a situation at the expense of the team and the fans. It's a jerk move, which was my point in calling him a thief. Everybody and their brother knows the contract sucked as far as the Cavs were concerned, nobody's arguing that. If you want credit for pointing out the obvious, I'll grant you that.
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Report: Tacko Fall signs non-guaranteed deal with Cleveland Cavaliers Fall, a 7-foot-5 center, averaged 2.5 points and 2.7 rebounds in two seasons with the Celtics. From NBA.com News Services August 31, 2021 10:05 PM Free agent center Tacko Fall will sign a non-guaranteed, one-year contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reported Tuesday.
A fan favorite due to his 7-foot-5 frame, Fall averaged 2.5 points and 2.7 rebounds in two seasons with the Boston Celtics.
All these bigs and we still don't have a servicable 2/3. Altman must think all you need is PG's and centers
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I don’t watch enough basketball anymore to really know why he didn’t play a lot in Boston but he was a fan favorite who actually sold jerseys when he did play. The only time I consistently watched basketball the past few years was when I worked the NBA Restart down here in Orlando.
If the Cavs trade Sexton, Okoro, and unprotected 1st round draft picks for Simmons I’m gonna be real upset and probably not watch the NBA for awhile. Why would the CAVS even be entertaining trying to trade for another PG, when we already have a PG that is a star in the making? Simmons can’t shoot, and makes way to much money.
ours aren't and I'm not sure what you are calling a tweener. Tweener for me is usually a 3 that can play a 4. I'm saying we don't have a decent SG or SF. Sexton and Garland are both way to small to defend the 2 and Cedi playing the 3 is well.....Cedi playing the 3. Last night was and odd lineup..we went 3 7 footers and still got clobbered in the paint. If Love returns to form and we keep him, we might have some flexibility this year and we need to figure out what our identity is going to be.. If you're going to play that many bigs at once you better make the other team adapt and not try to get bigs to play small. I think thats been our biggest issue in the past. We just never knew what we wanted to do or how we were going to play and we'd spend weeks reinventing the lineups. I think its make or break this year for altman and bickerstaff.. They've had plenty of patience to get this train rolling in the right direction. I do like what I've seen out of Garland and Mobley, I think sexton will be traded. Rubio looks like hes going to be a good addition. He's got the leadership like Delly but can actually play. Its going to help Garland for sure
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Love how big we are with Allen, Mobley, and Markiinen. I really liked Nance but Markiinen gives us so much more shooting the ball. If we can get Garland and Sexton to really step up their games we might have something.
Bench is pretty good too with Rubio, Okoro, even Love, Osman, and Wade. Loved Stevens last year but I doubt he plays much unless there are injuries
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