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At least from what has been posted Odell's rehab is on schedule. We see him running etc.

The question now is:

What can we really expect from Odell?

He came to the Browns with all the promise that hope can bring. The results were mixed. Freddie was no help. Baker was not so good. And injuries has been a part of Odell's career.

No one doubts his talent. He is an exceptional talent. By most accounts he is a good teammate. I have not heard it said that he is lazy or doesn't work hard.

Baker showed great improvement as the season went on. I think it is safe to assume that Baker starting a second year in the same system with the same coaching staff. Should continue to improve.

So, a healthy Odell with Baker in the same offense.

What are legitimate expectations for this pass/catch combination?

For me Odell has to play a full season. Talent is great but you have to be on the field available to play.

Odell is a number one receiver.

However, in their first go around Baker and Odell were not insync. That can no longer be in question. They must make that happen. At the same time we have a diverse offensive scheme that is based upon establishing the run.
Then going play action. Odell needs to fit in. It can not be. Is Odell open or not throw him the ball.

Odell has accept what targets he gets. The offense will not about Odell's numbers. It will be under Stefanski how do we win?

If Odell has a good season( not necessarily great). I expect the Browns will as well.

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Baker is a progression quarterback. He excels at reading the offense and throwing to who is open. Even back in college, in his final year, he had 5 different receivers with at least 400 yards-

Marquise Brown - 1095
CeeDee Lamb - 807
Dimitri Flowers - 464
Jeff Badet - 400
Mark Andrews - 958

Look at all of the times Josh Allen just fed Stefon Diggs last year. Or the times that Pat Mahomes fed Tyreek Hill. Or Aaron Rogers fed Davante Adams. Baker isn't like this.
The Cardinals v Bills game last year, Kyler Murray had one play left. He throws a bomb to his #1 guy, DeAndre Hopkins, to make the winning play.
The Browns v Bengals game last year, Baker had one play left. He didn't throw to his #1 guy (Odell was injured at this point, so it would have been Landry). He throws to DPJ, a rookie 6th round pick, for the winning play.

Baker doesn't need great receivers, he makes any receivers he has great. That's why Odell has never been the best fit in my opinion.

I love him for being able to take the top off the defense, draw extra coverage, and opening up the field for the rest of our guys. But as long as Odell wants to be a superstar receiver, he isn't going to work in Cleveland.

I think for Odell to work on the Browns, he has to let Baker do what he does best. And that means accepting the targets you're given each game, even if it's only 5 instead of the 10-12 that he wants.

The question of Odell staying healthy is up in the air, but that's not really in his control. What's in his control is fully adopting a team-first attitude. I think he's capable of having that, but there's been moments in these past seasons where he did not have that at all.

Disclaimer: I still love Odell. I have his Jersey. I don't want him to be traded. But just analyzing Baker's style, he's never seemed like the absolute best fit in Cleveland. But I still hope he has a monster year and I think it all starts with his attitude.

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I fully agree with both posts


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Quick name a player from LSU.
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Who started all 16 NFL games in the same year. poke
uhh?

More seriously am I allowed to discuss that earlier, revisiting reports of 2019 games, I ran across the summary that included Jarvis Landrys' unsportsmanlike cost the Browns 1 point, after a missed longer extra point, vs. the Bills
a week before the Myles and Mason Rudolph bull crud incident.

And reading it I instantly remembered the Unsportsmanlike penalty on JL in the playoff game or qualifier, this past year and sticking up for him.
And what this means if it costs a game.
Ehh forget it. Just Win Baby!


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While I don't think it's ever fortunate when a player gets hurt, I do believe the time Baker had with the other receivers sans Odell did Baker a world of good. Perhaps because of some combination of mandate, Odell's high profile, high price, and extreme talent or perhaps because of them all, Baker had a tendency to "seek him out" sometimes holding the ball longer than time allowed and causing trouble for himself, or attempting to force it to Odell to the detriment of a possible completed pass to another receiver who was actually open.

Perhaps in part due to Odell's absence (and perhaps not) we were able to watch Baker grow right before our eyes last season. When the complaint (legitimate) was that he wasn't going through his progressions, the next week he would go through his progressions. When it appeared he had no touch because he overthrew a wide open receiver, the next week he came back and threw a beautiful touch pass or two for a first down or a score. He demonstrated again and again he could learn from mistakes and adapt to situations, and while I do give a lot of credit to coaching, it clearly demonstrated he puts in the work.

So regarding Odell, I am looking to see an exceptional WR on a great WR corp, get fed when open, and turn in some great numbers on a playoff bound team.

Man I'm excited. This is what we've waited for for decades. We have the coach, we have the GM, we have the staff, the QB and the roster to go all the way.

Let's watch.

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Your post makes it sound as if Odel is the problem. As if he's demanding the ball at the expense of a balanced passing attack. If that is what you are implying, I disagree strongly. Baker and Odel need to 1, develop chemistry, and 2, they need to reach a clear understanding about Odel's role within the offense. That requires communication between the players, the OC, the Passing Game Coordinator, and possibly the head coach.

Baker forced the ball to Odel to some extent before OBJ was injured. That wasn't all on the receiver.

Some might see this as special consideration for Odel that is unwarranted. I see it as an investment in the success of a major offensive asset so that the team maximizes its opportuniy to win.

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Forget the Falcons, Bungles, Rats, Chefs, Pac and Squealers...

We trot out the best WR's and TE's in the league if healthy.

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It all comes down to if both Beckham and Mayfield can actually get on the same page.

He says that this is the first time he's actually healthy. THe past 4 years he's been nursing some lingering something. He's been out enough that it comes down to staying healthy.

At the very least it's an audition for a job somewhere else. I honestly feel though that he's going to do what he can to contribute wherever.

With the addition of Felton and Anthony Schwartz... I have a feeling that Stefanski is doing what he can to take heat off of Odell here. You have some guy who can fly waaay down field and keep the safeties honest... it creates space so that Odell can work one on one with corners.

I have a feeling that Odell will start to find himself a bit more open this year.

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For me I am curious to see how Baker and Odell work this out.

From the perspective of Stefanski. It is all about the offense as a unit. The players and the plays should complement each other.

The play book is designed to keep defenses off balance. We have the tools. We are based upon play action.

Odell is a part. No different that Chubb.

Odell should get his touches because of how the rest of the offense works.

Baker and Odell should be able to develop that neeeded chemistry.

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Great video and I’m glad for him to be recovered so quickly. He works his butt off by all accounts. I truly hope we can figure out a way to work him into the offense more seamlessly


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The thing about Odell is:

Nobody has seen his best.

He has had great flashes. Everybody knows his name.

Except now no analyist mentions his name when they dicuss best receiver.

Odell has not had that great year.

He looks ready to roll from the video.

I for one really want to see what this guy can do with Baker when they are insync.

Baker grew a bunch last year. He is way more comfortable in the offense and in the pocket.

I expect Baker to read open better from Odell.

What I believe makes Odell so good is his ability to separate. He has that incredible athletic ability to breakdown a route and get that step. His footwork and short space quickness is something of beauty to watch.

The big deal is stay on the field.

He needs to finish this season healthy.

If he can do that. We will see what we had hoped when he was signed.

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Agree with everything.

I guess my perspective on OBJ is that while I believe he's fully capable of being 'Great' - I just want to see him and Baker on the same page, same play book, spend reps together to learn what each does when I play breaks down and what the tendencies are so they can react quicker to every situation .... Healthy and 17 games? That'd be really exciting. I don't care about the stats - I care about the ability to influence the team positively and the opposing defense negatively and contribute to the W's


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Are you taking about with the Browns? Because OBJ’s first three years were literally among the best of all time.

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He's working hard always was a hard worker just a lone wolf sometimes. He's going to be a stud for us probably will be in the best shape of his life.



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Not in the top ten.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/340994-the-10-greatest-seasons-by-a-wide-receiver-in-nfl-history

His years with the Browns?

He has played 23 games in a Browns uniform but has only racked up 1,354 receiving yards and 7 touchdowns over that two-year span.

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I'm not sure if context is the issue here or what. OBJ was drafted in 2014. In 2015 he was rated the eighth best WR.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/receiving.htm

Number 5 in 2016

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/2016-nfl-player-rankings-wide-receivers

He was injured in 2017. So yes at the time we signed him he was one of the top WR's in the game.

You brought up the best 10 seasons by a WR of all time. Not even close to the same thing.


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cfrs:

"Because OBJ’s first three years were literally among the best of all time."

I responded to what he wrote?

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I stand corrected.


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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Not in the top ten.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/340994-the-10-greatest-seasons-by-a-wide-receiver-in-nfl-history

His years with the Browns?

He has played 23 games in a Browns uniform but has only racked up 1,354 receiving yards and 7 touchdowns over that two-year span.


The above article was published in 2010. OBJ’s first year in the league was 2014.

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However you feel about Odell, you have to respect his desire and determination to get back on the field!

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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Not in the top ten.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/340994-the-10-greatest-seasons-by-a-wide-receiver-in-nfl-history

His years with the Browns?

He has played 23 games in a Browns uniform but has only racked up 1,354 receiving yards and 7 touchdowns over that two-year span.


The above article was published in 2010. OBJ’s first year in the league was 2014.


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Look at the numbers. Regardless.

I like Odell and always have. He is a very good receiver.

I look forward to him having a great year with the Browns this year.

My intent was not dispute where he stands. That is a simple exercise of stats.

We have not seen his best and I would like to see that.

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Makes no difference his numbers are not close to the greatest of all time.

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Through his first three seasons OBJ had the second most receiving yards of any player ever besides Randy Moss. He was the best receiver in the league. We have likely seen OBJ's peak, that doesn't mean he isn't good anymore.

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I love that he is a worker, he trains on his own and trains hard. I wish he would see the value of training with Baker. He has always worked the offseason on his own, shows up for camp ready to go, but has not worked any timing with the QB.

If he gels with Baker, things could get scary. The weapons this team has on offense, someone will always be open. If Odell, uses his skill at getting open, he will get plenty of touches.

But the timing needs to be worked on.


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I look at this all differently in that I sorta blame Bake for OBJ's failures here.

The best way to use OBJ is to make the weapons around OBJ more lethal and to get the ball to them more often when you have defenses adjusting to the other weapons because they are taking their defense apart OBJ becomes the kill shot.

In that regard and this is sorta off topic I look for DN to have a monster year and his success will lead to OBJ becoming lethal. His targets may be down a bit but his successes will be monstrous. We need what he brings to the table, what we don't need is a QB that doesn't understand that there will be times when defenses will focus on OBJ and if there is anything nearly any defense can do is take away a player. In most of the games OBJ played for us defenses tried to do 2 things stop Chub and take away OBJ.

By expanding and utilizing the other weapons Bake uses, OBJ becomes lethal the kill shot. That is the key for Bake, look elsewhere and when they fall asleep hit them over the head with OBJ.

The threat of OBJ can cause more problems then OBJ will ever cause by actually catching the ball or being targeted.


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The way I view it, the offseason is for getting the body healthy and ready. It would be good to see him do *some* work with Baker and the other WR's, but this year I don't see much point because his main goal right now is proper recovery from the injury. Because of that injury, there just might not be ample time to work on real timing and stuff until we get to camp.


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First off, I read 'DN' and could only think 'Dennis Northcutt', lol. It took me almost a full minute to realize you were talking about Njoku.

Second, I agree with your second paragraph on how best to utilize OBJ. I feel like that's how Stefanski was trying to approach it, but I think Baker was still getting comfortable in the offense and was defaulting to the "OBJ read" too quickly as he would feel the pressure. If teams were still focused on taking him away, then it was a lost play. OBJ having more drops than is typical didn't help, either. Heck, it seemed like both he and Landry were dropping a bunch.... or was that the Freddie year? Damn, my memory is going now, but I thought it was in early 2020 that we were seeing a lot of balls doink off their hands, which was totally uncharacteristic of them.

Anyway, back to your point - Baker needs to become the chessmaster out there. Obviously, the WRs need to do their part, and the plays called need to play into it, but Baker needs to be the one pulling a defenses strings out there. If he spends all of his time looking only to OBJ, he will only serve to get OBJ shut down.


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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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Odell's latest hype video on Instagram shows he is really cutting wel, running fast, and all in on the Browns.


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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
Odell's latest hype video on Instagram shows he is really cutting wel, running fast, and all in on the Browns.


It’s pretty crazy that he tore his ACL six months ago and that’s what he looks like.

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The man is incredible...


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I look at this all differently in that I sorta blame Bake for OBJ's failures here.

The best way to use OBJ is to make the weapons around OBJ more lethal and to get the ball to them more often when you have defenses adjusting to the other weapons because they are taking their defense apart OBJ becomes the kill shot.

In that regard and this is sorta off topic I look for DN to have a monster year and his success will lead to OBJ becoming lethal. His targets may be down a bit but his successes will be monstrous. We need what he brings to the table, what we don't need is a QB that doesn't understand that there will be times when defenses will focus on OBJ and if there is anything nearly any defense can do is take away a player. In most of the games OBJ played for us defenses tried to do 2 things stop Chub and take away OBJ.

By expanding and utilizing the other weapons Bake uses, OBJ becomes lethal the kill shot. That is the key for Bake, look elsewhere and when they fall asleep hit them over the head with OBJ.

The threat of OBJ can cause more problems then OBJ will ever cause by actually catching the ball or being targeted.


BTTB knows a lot and more football than me, I think, usually, I gain insight and enjoy learning because he's right on;
For his other 2 Thousand 100 plus times I've read him in 25+ years, and I'm serious about that.

But this post, aside from the italicized line above I think is completely opposite reality? I'm looking for a nice way to say loopy.

Is Baker to blame for Odells injury?
Is (Northcutt; Oh he means Njoku), a real offensive powerhouse when his game is One vs. One compared to OBJs'?
Is a Quarterback supposed to not try to get the ball to his #1 simply because defenses will focus on him?
" The threat of him will cause more problems than him ever actually catching the ball?" Oh my gosh, notallthere

And Baker, did better when OBJ was out,
and OBJ, was he doing better with the Giants?

Does anyone think he'd have a better year if Daniel freaking what's his name it's not worth remembering anyway Giants loser QB were throwing the ball 15 yards off target on a deep ball because he's inaccurate as a passer to OBJ anyway?


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https://www.brownsnation.com/browns-wr-odell-beckham-jr-releases-hype-video/


Browns WR Odell Beckham Jr. Releases Hype Video
By Wendi Oliveros May 31, 2021 @WendiOliveros1

Cleveland Browns wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (13) on the field prior to the National Football League game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and Cleveland Browns on November 14, 2019, at FirstEnergy Stadium in Cleveland, OH.
(Photo by Frank Jansky/Icon Sportswire)



There is plenty of hype around the 2021 Cleveland Browns roster.

With so many superstars, it is hard to focus on who will bring the most excitement to the field when the season starts.

In the offseason, we continue to watch the players prepare and collectively get excited about their return.

Though OBJ is a polarizing figure whom some fans think is essential to the team’s success while others disagree, everyone hopes to see him healthy and ready to go in September.

It looks like that will be the case given the recent video he released on Instagram.







OBJ Is Here To Stay



Despite the rumors that have persisted pretty much since he arrived in Cleveland a few years ago about his pending trade, it appears OBJ is here to stay in 2021.

GM Andrew Berry and Coach Kevin Stefanski have never wavered from their belief that a healthy OBJ is an asset to the Browns offense.

In the months since he suffered the ACL injury, both have been asked repeatedly about OBJ; the message has been consistent.

Fresh off the Browns loss to the Chiefs in the divisional playoff round, Stefanski was asked about OBJ.

He said:

“I texted with him this morning. I know he’s working really hard to get better in his rehab. I’m excited to get him back here. I know it was not easy for him being away from his teammates, especially as these games got bigger and into the playoffs. I know he definitely wanted to be a part of it.”




Keeping OBJ Healthy Is A Priority


OBJ’s video shows him demonstrating his impressive speed, agility, and ball handling skills.

If anything has hampered his career with the Browns, it has been persistent and nagging injuries.



Going out with the ACL injury in October had to be devastating for a competitor like him.

Then, he had to watch the Browns go on a tear and get themselves into the playoffs.

Whatever questions fans have about OBJ and his future in Cleveland could be easily answered this year if he has a career best season that helps lead the Browns into the playoffs.


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I just noticed your post and while I won't spend much time on critiquing the things you say I will let you're words be just that yours!

I think you miss a lot in not realizing the potential of Njoku and what it is he can do. #1 he is as athletic a TE as can be found in the NFL. He is also our highest graded TE when it comes to blocking. I like the Browns am very intrigued with his abilities. He has a down side or has shown a down side in the past, with emphasis on the past. I don't think he was always the hard worker he should have been coming out, and he has had health issues.

But last season he made huge strides as I mentioned he grades out as our best blocking TE, that was always a criticism as you may have recalled. But last season he caught everything near him and made some incredible catches as well and made huge strides in becoming a complete TE.

But let's go to why I think Njoku can make OBJ more lethal. Odd reference and I concur but follow along.

With LBers not able to keep up with Njoku and corners to small to handle Njoku who I might add regularly steam rolls LBers that leaves safeties to deal with Njoku and that is where he draws coverages away from OBJ and allows Bake the luxury of getting OBJ the ball in open space, space that would normally be occupied with safeties with deep coverages on OBJ.

The key early is establishing Njoku as elite and make no mistake Njoku is a player with elite skills for a TE. You think a bit it will come to you. My bet is that Njoku if he can manage to stay healthy explodes this year he has put the work in taken to coaching and has finally accepted the idea that he has to work hard at his craft and hone and polish his skill set. I think he made huge strides in doing that last year.

I am going to get really bold here I bet the Browns let Hooper go either thru cutting him or trading him after this season. And yes they will resign Njoku that is if he can stay healthy.

If you look at what has made KC's offense so explosive it has been a 2 man show one playing off the other Hill and Kelce and not really much of anything else.

I have said enough. Figure out the rest !


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j/c...

Recovery must be continuing to go well...


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I just now read this today Monday.

After I started the X factor thread.

But we are on the same wavelength.

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Looking at the minicamp photos, and also from Jarvis' softball game, and i noticed something. Odell is smiling a lot. Maybe it is just me, but ever since he joined the team, he always appeared somber to me. In pressers, he always looked bothered and defensive. Now it seems like every picture I see, he has a big smile on. This could be a good sign.


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