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I wonder if Tannenbaum actually watches any games. He said the Browns could have the same success with Cousins and Keenum. 90% of the people that speak on Baker are biased by his polarizing personality and their desire to see him fail. I've never seen anything like it in my 40+ years watching sports.

Bottom line, no one makes more plus level throws than Baker.

90% of the media that comments is just trolling to generate discussion, clicks, and views.

Prior to this, nobody knew that Tannenbaum was even in the media, now.
Well, now we know another source to ignore.

And be a winner.

I look for Baker to continue to do what we seem to be very good at now.

Identifying and developing players in our system to fill team needs is the new calling card of this team and organization. Baker is a by product of that system and like most players I see come thru this program he is growing and developing into a stud. A key to that success was getting Baker into a situation where he could be comfortable/confident/ and played to what he does best.

The real credit for Baker is Baker of course but the underlying key is coaching and player development. The coaches had a clear plan for Baker heading into last season and they got Baker to buy in, from there the sky is the limit for Baker and for the team.

Let's face it folks the real strength of this team and organization is player identification and development. What that truly leads to is long term success. Yes folks we have the building blocks of a dynasty.

I believe we have found the holy grail of the NFL. The ability to develop talent into a well oiled unit that does one thing really well, win !

GC.

Can the Browns get more than 12 catches per game, to their WR's? yes, think so.

(Talking about, non TE, non RB, and non passes thrown by other than the QB on trick plays.)

Can the Browns get more than, .. 17 catches in games, to their WR's? eeehhhh, I "want" to say so, it's getting tougher to think it's probable.
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Can the Browns, get more than, (22) catches in games, to their WR's? Wow. whew, I wish so. (They don't really seem to be built for this, but it "is" possible.)

This is very important because,
: If the Browns do not have explosive play capability they will not win playoff games, and offense is the easier way to score points vs. defense.

Can the Browns get 27 catches per game, even in one game, to their WR's It would be a Thing to see.

My best quick guess is Baker Mayfield has Not Yet completed 27 passes to WR's in any one game in his pro career, which there is nothing wrong with using TE's and Rb's.

Browns and Mayfield could be first to extend. 10 hours ago.

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/baker-mayfield-earliest-extension

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My thoughts are that of Allen and the bills,, Lamar and the Ravnes, and The Browns and Baker that whichever deal is finalized first will probably end up the best for both the player and the team.

What else can they do this time of year.. Nothing going on to speak of.. (Nassib maybe) But there is mostly just signings to speculate on until camp.

But yeah, Tannenbaum wasn't much as a GM so why take his word for anything now.

If John Dorsey said that, I'd have to listen...

That's happening faster than I expected, but now we know why we needed Sheldon's money and have cheaper options at DT, now.

This is a great point. Baker could be like Gronkowski, never spending a paycheck, and living off endorsements very well. As well as he's doing now, could you imagine the bucks he'd make after a Super Bowl win?!!

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That payoff is what makes the bet look so attractive.

One of the things I see people (and the media) mention all the time is completion percentage. They use it to trash Baker.

Completion percentage is one of the most misused stats I've ever seen. It's not quite what people think it means. If you attempt two passes and complete them for a total of 10 yards, is that better than going 1/2 for a 30 yard completion? In this case, 50% completion is better than 100%.

Baker regularly attempts aggressive, downfield throws. He ranks near the top of the league with Big Time Throws and Intended Air Yards per completion. It goes a long way to driving an offense and putting up points on the board. Then you look at someone like Teddy Bridgewater who threw for 69.1% completion last year but drove Panthers fans up a wall because he couldn't consistently run the offense and throw downfield.

Baker will never be a 70% completion percentage guy. While we do want to see him bring it up from 61/62% to 64/65% as improvement, we shouldn't expect much higher. He's a natural gunslinger and is gonna attempt bigger throws.

Pretty sure all of their desires are not to see Baker Fail yet to see Baker leave the Browns and join their favorite team.

Limit turnovers.. move chains.. score points when in the redzone..

What about "Browns fans" who want to see him fail?

Sadly, there are some on here.

I know too many who want nothing to do with him and are convinced we won't win anything until he's gone. Bitter Buckeye fans, maybe?

Could you please list who those are?

My brother and RJ. Do you know them?

Knowing 2 is way too many to know.

Yes it is. Someone made the comment there were actually people on this board that were included in that group. That wasn't you so my apologies for taking your comment the wrong way.

Apology accepted. But I'm sure someone somewhere on this board wants Baker to fail whether they say so or not.

I work in the golf industry so my posting and reading of posts declines some in the summer months, but I'll occasionally peak my head in.

Baker is such a fascinating story to me because so many people doubt his talents. We went from 0-17 to 11-5 and a playoff win within 3 years. Replace Baker with any of the past 26+ starting quarterbacks for the Browns and ask if you think we get better results. I don't think so.

The guys in charge didn't suffer thru the past 20+ years, but me? I'm signing Baker to the biggest contract the NFL has ever seen. 10 years is a long time, but I'd do a Mahomes-esque deal.

I had the exact same question about Baker as I do every rookie QB. How well will he adapt to reading NFL defenses and quickly react. It's something almost every NCAA QB must answer when they come into the NFL. Very few schools run a pro style offense so that question is a logical one.

It was impossible to rush to judgement on that because there was no stability in coaches and systems for him to reach a comfort level. Yet the last half of last season he became much better at it. You could just see it. I'm not much of one to make bold predictions and I won't do that now. But going into his second season in a consistent, productive system, the sky is the limit for Baker.

Hack.
Shock Jock.
Trash.
Contrived Controversy.

He hates anything north. He believes we're all stupid because we could make a smart decision and move out of the cold weather and that no person in their right mind would live where it snows.

I stopped listening when he said as much. Not that I really listened to him that much anyway. 100% he gets the ratings because he bashes Cleveland, he gets a rise out of us fans and all others just laugh and point the finger.

When we win a super bowl it'll be a fluke and something we will never duplicate. Browns will be the worst team to win a Super Bowl and will probably lose every game the following year.

Ratings.

I often wonder if some fans, at the end of the day, actually do value being proven right about a prospect over athletes for their team turning out well. I think it's ridiculous, but some of the things I've heard/read stuff from fans that really make me wonder.

That said, there is a line between criticism and what I described, and some posting styles and which side of the bed they've woken up on can make that line not so clear.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but to device's point, that sometimes it's really tough.

That quote right there should tell you all you need to know about Cowturd. Hunt had the rushing title a few years ago. He makes a living out of saying stupid stuff, while acting as if he is an expert on everything. He is the poster boy of what the media has become, trash talking know it alls.

Maybe Cowherd is trying to sing to Jets fans still bitter that Cleveland didn't take the NY Medias' unhealthy advice to draft Darnold #1 so Mayfield could end up with the Jets in 2018. Sour Grapes allegedly.
According to various medias' hoping to dump Darnold onto Cleveland,
Mayfield was going to turn around the Jets, the Broncos, was going to take over for the Packers, among others, before the Browns took him #1 overall.

Ever since he got to Cleveland, the NY and Hollywood medias' have been trying to talk Baker away from the Browns, like they wished Lebron to Miami back in 20xx' because they are big market snobs in my opinion.
Seems like motive enough to me.

He's following a proven formula, that's all.






p.s. I think Paul Giamatti has got to be the best non-leading actor of the last thirty years.

He's right at the top of the list.

He's a great actor.

Giamatti has had some great leading roles. American Splendor, Sideways and the series Billions.

John Adams!

I'd imagine Jeff George is the greatest QB to walk the Earth then.