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Parade on Thursday for a team that waited 50 years for the trophy.

Death by ignorance.

Listening to network prostitutes.

Associating those who get vaccinated with the other side.

Most of this comes from the messenger. Seeking sources who will validate conspirancy.

What a mess.

I pretty much agree with you.

I do feel differently in some respects. If these people had come to these conclusions on their own I would feel exactly as you do. But they are being spoon fed misinformation and being swayed into believing these things by people they thought they could trust. Betrayal on that level is among the likes of something we've never seen before. I guess on some level I can understand how they may find it hard to believe that the very people they chose to believe and trust would advocate giving them a potential death sentence.

I must say I'm very happy to see some of the Republican governors, people like Hannity and Scalice stepping up to the plate and reversing course to promote the vaccine. Are they a day late and a dollar short? I think so. But as they say, better late than never.

I completely agree with you.

That speaks to my earlier statement on Tucker Carlson. Getting the vaccine (which we know he did), but then speaking out against the "dangers" or "worthlessness" of getting the vaccine, like he repeatedly does, is a whole new level of wrong.

Yes, because it appears that democrats are smart enough to get vaccinated or if not vaccinated, they either wear a mask or stay home..

Makes perfect sense to me..

I feel sort of like that now. I don't care if you refuse the vaccine because I'm vaccinated and shouldn't die from covid even if I do catch it.

Biden should just make the vaccines available for Dems only... then GOPers would scream, "mah rights!" and run out to get vaccinated. They're a simple bunch so a little reverse psychology should work wonders for boosting the number of vaccinated.

We all have a responsibility to each other when it comes to Covid.

jc

from Bidens townhall yesterday



The guy complaining about misinformation is spreading misinformation. You can't make this stuff up.

Run that statement through the 'dementia' and general 'clueless' filters/translators and I think you can get to what he meant to say...

Getting vaccinated vs COVID is a good thing. People that aren't getting vaccinated are at a higher risk vs Delta variants.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...den/8052527002/

Gaffe aside, there are some interesting tidbits of info that I wasn't aware of, and perhaps others weren't as well.

-Expect EUA's to start rolling out for 5-11 age range shortly after they get back to school (Biden seems to be pushing for sooner, though).

-EUA for younger than 5 would happen "soon" after that. Not sure what means.

J/c

POLITICO: Klobuchar targets vaccine misinformation with Section 230 bill.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/22/klobuchar-vaccine-misinformation-section-230-bill-500554

So genuine question for posters ....

What is the most important element to consider? Freedom of speech? Protecting the public? Protecting the nation? Clearly the ability for online social media content to spread like wild fire is virtually unprecedented... Does that matter?

Websites will be way over-modderated than they currently are if that passes.

Let me give you the translation to the Trumpian responses you will get.

"We have the right to post all the lies we want and nobody should be able to stop us. Even if it's a danger to public health or our democracy! We'll use false flags like freedom of speech to defend it!"

Even though if you read the constitution it's easy to see that freedom of speech has nothing to do with it.

It wont pass anyways. GOP wont vote for it, and big tech will be against it, and they will pull their congressional puppet strings.

I don't care if it passes. I care or wonder about what fellow dawgs think.

Is misinformation covered by freedom of speech? Let it rid or should people consider how to regulate? I'm not suggesting the legislation proposed is the answer or not. Just exploring the concept.

Sounds like something China would do.

You're so RIGHT! He should have said you are 95% protected from getting it. ZINGER! Got you Biden! That 5% means everything to those clinging to antivaxxer propaganda.

You're so WRONG!

He shouldn't say anything like that, there's not enough info to establish an efficacy rate against the Delta strain (according to our CDC). Most estimates are that current vaccines are between 40% and 80%.

That's interesting. Cincy Children's (the branch in your direction) was offering trials. My daughter is immuno-compromised/high risk for COVID so we were interested in signing her up, but the wait list was about 10 miles long by the time we even inquired.

Oh you are probably right on the delta variant. I have no idea how effective they are against the mutation. But the general gist is the same. You are better off with than without the vaccine.

I read somewhere that studies are only beginning to come on regarding current vaccines and the latest variant. I don't think they've settled on a % yet.

Israel seems to have a pretty good understanding on the numbers.

In short. The Pfizer Vax used in Israel is still very effective at preventing serious illness, but is only somewhere around 40% effective at preventing illness.

This is our new reality and people are going to need to come to terms with it. Covid is here to stay just like the 1918 Spanish Flu. We need to find ways to make living with Covid bearable.

If you get the shot, then you will most likely have a better immune response when you eventually get Covid and you will be less likely to be hospitalized.

I thought the 40% number was more of a worst-case scenario. I read there are a couple of competing studies going on, with more data coming in.

j/c

Alabama governor: 'It's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks' for rise in COVID-19 cases

Alabama Republican Gov. Kay Ivey on Thursday called out "the unvaccinated folks" for the rise in Covid-19 cases in her state, a remarkable plea at a time when many GOP leaders are refusing to urge people to get vaccinated even as Covid-19 cases surge in many parts of the country.

"Folks are supposed to have common sense. But it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It's the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down," Ivey told reporters in Birmingham.

Alabama is the least vaccinated state in the country, with roughly 33.9% of residents fully vaccinated, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Average daily Covid-19 cases in Alabama are nearly double what they were a week ago, and more than four times higher than they were two weeks ago.

Asked by reporters Thursday about plans to issue a mask mandate or other restrictions now that Covid cases are starting to rise again in her state, Ivey replied, "The new cases of Covid are because of unvaccinated folks. Almost 100% of the new hospitalizations are with unvaccinated folks. And the deaths are certainly occurring with unvaccinated folks."

The unvaccinated, Ivey said, are "choosing a horrible lifestyle of self-inflicted pain."

"We've got to get folks to take the shot," she continued, calling the vaccine "the greatest weapon we have to fight Covid."

Alabama has received billions in federal relief funds from the stimulus package passed by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden earlier this year. The state has offered some small incentives to get vaccinated, including offering two laps around the Talladega Superspeedway in May. But unlike other states, Alabama has not used the federal relief money for an incentive program, scholarships or lotteries, AL.com has reported. Earlier this month, Ivey said there was no need for an incentive plan for vaccinations.

On Thursday, Ivey insisted that she's done "all I know how to do" in managing the situation. When asked what it would take to get more people to get shots, she replied, "I don't know, you tell me."

Ivey ended the state's mask mandate in April, at the time favoring personal responsibility rather than a government mandate. The CDC had announced in May that fully vaccinated people would no longer have to wear masks.

But now with the Delta variant spreading, experts are saying vaccinated and unvaccinated people should wear masks in areas where Covid-19 cases are high but vaccination rates are low.

Ivey on Thursday was asked by a reporter what it would take to implement a mask mandate, and replied that "I want folks to get vaccinated" and "why would we want mess around with just temporary stuff?"

The governor said she received both doses of the Covid vaccine in December.

"It's safe, it's effective, the data proves that it works, doesn't cost anything. It saves lives," she said.

Asked about whether she would recommend children who are too young to be vaccinated wear a mask when they return to school, Ivey said that the decision would be left up to school districts.

In recent days -- amid surges largely occurring in states former President Donald Trump won in 2020 -- increasing numbers of Republicans and conservative media figures have called upon Americans to get the vaccine after months of declining to press the issue. But many Republican leaders still won't say publicly​ whether they are vaccinated and Trump himself has cast the vaccine in political terms, suggesting people aren't taking it because "they don't trust (Biden's) Administration."

https://mtstandard.com/news/national/ala...2b77689df1.html

Wow, she's definitely reached a frustration point.

I'll try to look at this objectively and just state facts. Hopefully I don't screw this up.

On one hand, you have 600K+ reported dead in the U.S. from COVID. Currently, the vast majority of people being hospitalized for COVID have not been vaccinated. Almost 100% of the current deaths are also for people who have not been vaccinated.

The virus has already proven deadly. Now, there are variants that are resulting from the virus multiplying itself in various hosts and then spreading. Some of the variants appear to be more contagious and more deadly than the novel version.
If the virus was prevented from multiplying itself more, it would also mutate less, and there would be less (or less frequent) variant development.

There have been multiple vaccines developed for the virus. The vaccines have been shown to be effective, or at least much more effective at warding off COVID than not getting vaccinated. The vaccines have not been fully approved by the FDA, but were approved for early use authorization. The vaccine has been in place for nearly half a year. So far, no long-term or other major consequences or side effects have come to light.

With all that in mind, you have a scenario with a virus that has been proven to be deadly, and can mutate into an even more deadly form. That is here and that is a proven fact.

On the other hand, you have multiple vaccines approved for early use authorization that MIGHT have some sort of effect. There is - to my knowledge - no scientific fact or indication behind any side effects, only speculation.

So, is it that people who don't get the vaccine would rather take their chances with a known deadly virus vs. just the narrow possibility that the vaccine could have some sort of side effect?

If I am playing the odds, I think I know where my bet is (which is why I've been vaccinated).

I'd play the odds as well, and did.

I think the latest variant is from India.

Not that one can't or hasn't developed here.

I mean, follow next.

Follow previous.
If you take a look at these two posts, If you take a look at Bidens' statement,
(First I thought, it sounds like he is repeating what his handlers keep telling him.)

I can just hear in my head, a bunch of doctors constantly re- parrot- ing the phrasing, to Biden to reassure his brain that He, (Biden) won't get covid because he has the vaccine.

Now, IF any of that were real, as I'm speculating, then putting that whole situation through the ole-
"dementia and general/clueless filters/translators"-

then Yes, Biden would be a shell of anyone in charge of anything. Somebody's in charge!
I don't doubt somebody is in Charge of the USA, I just don't know how anyone can rationaly, criticaly, believe it's Biden.

But Biden is presented, so, "Is it OK that whomever is actually in charge is allowed to remain in the shadows while Biden is presented as the leader.?"

(Maybe,.. they are mocking us, with how obvious it is that Biden is almost clearly unable to grasp difficult concepts, and they, whomever they are,
can point to Biden and tell us This is your president, and there is nothing we can do about it.)

Everyone should be Clear, the most dangerous thing in America today, is that the Left is treating the Right the way the ******** treated the *******.and where it leads.

Would make the covid outbreak look like a slap on the wrist.

The worst thing about a pandemic, other than the deaths, is that it encompasses the entire world. There is A LOT OF STUPID in the entire world.

How?

I love Mad Libs!!!

damn.
well-played.

+1

Yesterday my chore was to take my 8 year old grandson to his school for a teacher introduction (last year was remote) and get the bus schedule.

So, there were many parents and kids there for this short meeting. Roughly half wore masks.

Oliver has a heart murmur. Not dangerous but it has to be monitored. His doctor said he could attend school.

As soon as the vaccine is available for his age group. He will get the vaccine.

Mask mandates are States decisions. So, in this case they are optional.

I don't get it. I am all about "freedom of choice" however, in the case of a public health pandemic. We are not dealing with "the individual". We are dealing with "public health."

An invicted individual should not have the "freedom" to say I get to choose about being in indoors with others in a room.

That does not make sense.

So, now in school half have a mask on which of course doubles the risk.

It does not matter about a childs immune system. Sure one kid could show no symptoms. It could kill another kid. He could also bring it home even though all at home are vaccinated.

It is clear that a vaccinated person can get the virus. So, a vaccinated person can still be a carrier.

We can reduce this risk by simply mandating masks at school till the threat is very low.

At this point I find that Joe Public does not have the common sense to come in out of the rain. And decisions regarding public health has to be taken from the individual.

What is so ironic is. When we moved from Georgia to Nevada.
My two grandsons could not attend school without current vaccine records. You can not attend school in Georgia without certain immunization shots.

Yet here we are with a deadly virus and we can not even mandate a cheap effective way to help stop spreading a deadly virus?

Isn't freedom great?

If there was ever a question that the term common sense should be changed to uncommon sense, this pandemic should certainly have settled that issue.

I hear all these arguments about the vaccine.

It boggles the mind.

If you had leukemia and faced a vague and uncertain outcome.

And a new treatment was just released receiving all of the same qualifying criteria that the covid vaccine has received. All the tests. And the same results so far from these covid vaccines.

Would you opt to take it?(rhetorical)

Done deal for me. No doubt.
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The current numbers that one would consider. Infection rate of unvaccinated. Infection rate of vaccinated. Symptoms. Hospitalizations. Deaths.

The numbers dramatically scream: get the shot.

We face decisions that determine are lives all the time. Don't we favor taking the ones with the best odds for success?

You figure you will always have people beyond reach. The 10 to 20 perecent.

As Americans if we can not achieve 75% vaccination.

We better start on investigating the educational system and mental health.

We used to "think" it was 10% to 20%. Now we know better than that.

It's all about fear factor.