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With the CDC now telling vaccinated people they have to wear masks again, I don't get the point... Many of us have done everything they have told us. We wore the masks without bitching, we stayed in lockdown, we took the vaccine... But now because people want to be stupid and not do these things OR make this all political, a pandemic is political... smh, what's the point? People who do everything asked fighting covid are rubes. It only works if we all participate, else those that won't undo everything we try to accomplish.

I think it's time that each of us protects ourselves as best we can and let the chips fall where they may. One day, when Hitler and Stalin are talked about and the number of lives they were responsible for taking... Trump's name might damn well be the one with the highest body count by the time this crap is done with us.

so:



but then they say:



Vaccinated people can spread the virus and this can create a new mutation.

But if we vaccinate enough people, then the virus won't mutate

But breakthrough cases are rare in vaccinated people, so how is it there is enough infected vaccinated people spreading the virus to cause a mutation?

The CDC really needs to get their messaging straight. In the past week all they have done is confuse people. If the goal is to get more people vaccinated, their messaging from this week has done a terrible job in improving that. From what I've seen, more people are just going to say "why bother?"

j/c

Florida breaks second alarming COVID-19 record

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-covid-hospitalizations-record-10207/

1 in 5 new COVID-19 cases last week came from Florida, health official says

https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/1-in-5-...h-official-says

It must be the blacks, hispanics and latinos.

This state is run by a guy that wants to be President. He, like Trump, doesn't have the best interest of ALL citizens of the USA.

So busy making a thing out of signing a bill that stops anyone in Florida from Making Mask mandates while at the same time, his people are dying or at least getting sicker and sicker from a Covid Surge.

Atleast he did not commit murder and put covid cases in nursing homes!

What was dome is an article was posted that only spoke about minorities not getting vaccinated. Then they went on to claim it wasn't about minorities. You couldn't make that BS up if you tried.

An article pointing out only a few facts that paint the problem on race not so much.

And that's odd as the hospitals around here aren't busy at all with covid cases.

I guess it's different in different places. Chicago should soon see a spike, would be my guess.

Talking with a nurse today - hardly any covid cases at her place of employment.

Talking with a mother of a high school athlete - the doctor flat out told her, about her 17 year old son - "If he gets the vax, he's got a .008 percent chance of having and adverse reaction. If he doesn't get the vax, he's got about the same percentage/chance of getting sick. Personally, I don't know why anyone under the age of 50 would get the vaccine."

'It just went boom': Florida ICU's swamped with younger COVID victims

According to a report from the Miami Herald, Florida hospitals are being overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients once again in frightening numbers as the Delta variant spreads rapidly among the unvaccinated in the state.

Florida has long been a hot spot for COVID-19 infections as Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has resisted recommendations from health officials and refuses to mandate the wearing of masks -- recently giving parents the option of not masking up their kids returning to school.

As the Herald report notes, the new flood of victims flooding in are even sicker than before -- and also younger.

Pointing out that every bed in Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital is filled at the moment, the report notes that every patient was unvaccinated and now suffering the devastating effect of COVID-19.

"The youngest patient, a 27-year-old woman on a ventilator, had to be resuscitated with a bag valve mask after her blood oxygen saturation levels crashed. The oldest, a 71-year-old man, has been in the ICU for two weeks. He has been in a coma for three days. When he awakens, if he awakens, he will be a widower. The man's wife, also hospitalized with COVID-19, died two days earlier," the report states. "Many healthcare workers at Jackson Memorial thought the end of the pandemic was in sight, largely due to the effectiveness of the vaccines. Then the delta variant took hold, particularly in areas with low vaccination rates, and cases are surging again, only at a faster clip."

Describing the sudden surge from variant, Ademola Ayo Akinkunmi, director of patient care services for Jackson Health bluntly stated, "It just went boom," before adding, "No matter how hard we work to discharge patients we know there are others coming."

The report goes on to note, "In Florida, the number of new cases and the rate of positive tests for the virus that causes COVID-19 — a measure known as the level of community transmission — is high in all 67 counties, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data. On Saturday, Florida reported 21,683 new COVID-19 cases as of July 30, the single-highest daily COVID case count since the pandemic began 18 months ago, according to CDC data. The seven-day moving average soared to 15,817, a more than 750% increase since July 1."

According to Alix Zacharski, manager of the medical intensive care unit at Jackson Memorial, the critically-ill patients they are seeing are way younger -- and way sicker -- than they were during the first wave of COVID victims.

"Unlike last year, we're getting a very young population, which is extremely concerning because this time we're now getting young people without pre-existing conditions," Zacharski admitted. "So that's scarier."

Case in point, the Herald reports, "On a recent weekday afternoon, Zacharski was working in the ICU when a 27-year-old patient's vital signs crashed, triggering an alarm on a computer monitor in the nurses' station. Her blood oxygen saturation levels had dropped suddenly from 95 to 64. Normal readings usually range from 95 to 100, and anything below 90 is considered low. As the patient's heart rate accelerated, Zacharski and her colleagues rushed to the patient's room and removed the ventilator from her throat. Then they applied a bag valve mask, pumping the air bag by hand to force oxygen into the patient's lungs."

"The medical team revived the patient, and her blood oxygen levels slowly recovered. It's possible that the patient's blood oxygen levels crashed because of a mucus plug, Zacharski said, emphasizing that dangerous complications can arise at any time," the report continued with Zacharski adding, "People come down with it within five days and they're really sick. They are coming to the hospital saying, 'I don't feel good. I can't breathe'. That's when you're feeling, 'Oh, this is very different from what it was before.' "

"It's very hard for us when someone's eyes are looking at you, staring at you, deadlocked, pleading and begging you, hugging you to help them breathe," she added. "That's the part that stays with us. It's really hard."

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https://www.rawstory.com/florida-desanti...eQsNFNVnu6gGKL8

Sounds pretty bad in Florida now. Just a matter of time before the other red states follow. Ohio will be a barrel of laughs tthis fall/winter. smh, all avoidable.

This state is run by a guy that wants to be President. He, like Trump, doesn't have the best interest of ALL citizens of the USA.

So busy making a thing out of signing a bill that stops anyone in Florida from Making Mask mandates while at the same time, his people are dying or at least getting sicker and sicker from a Covid Surge.

I am in Florida right now. I don't see anything or feel anything any different than at home.

Were they FACTS?

I am in Florida right now. I don't see anything or feel anything any different than at home.

EDIT: And then you mentioned **no reason to get the vaccine for any person under 50** -- and then it becomes an insane comparison. The Infection Fatality rate for a 45-49 year old is around 0.1%, still with a 10% chance of getting sick. The fatality rate for an unvaccinated 45-49 year old, then is approximately 1000x greater than the odds of dying from the vaccine. It's not even close.

It is about not dying and not being a carrier that will infect others.

Not dying is about you. Not infecting others is just as important.

We do know the largest spikes are in the big cities, and we know who runs those and who votes for those running the show.

It is what it is