I agree with that. I don't think we know for sure what we have on the DL yet. BUT, even an underperformer like Takk, an injury-prone guy like Clowney, and an aging talent like Jackson have all played in the leauge for years, and for that reason alone should win a fair share of 1on1's vs. 3 rookies trying to communicate and coordinate for the first time.
Mahomes practices every day against the 4 - 2 -5 if anyone is used to it he is. Our advantage is in how we run it. Pressure, Pressure, Pressure is the key fly to the QB.
JMHO
BTTB
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Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
What scares me most is that Garrett likes to take the outside edge and come around behind the QB, and that plays right into Mahomes style, that lets him step up in the pocket or run through the gap left behind.
Have to play disciplined and keep Mahomes contained, stay in his throwing lanes.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
The only way I’ll be totally discouraged is if they run us off the field.
Let’s not forget: they will have a max capacity crowd as well, which we never had to deal with last year as a visiting team. And that place is notoriously rowdy.
unless it’s something like KC 40 Cleveland 9 … I’ll try to keep my mind about the realistic chances we had going into the game
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
What scares me most is that Garrett likes to take the outside edge and come around behind the QB, and that plays right into Mahomes style, that lets him step up in the pocket or run through the gap left behind.
Have to play disciplined and keep Mahomes contained, stay in his throwing lanes.
Not exactly true Mohomes takes the deepest drop in the league as much as 20 yards or more.
What Garret forces him to do is step forward in the pocket which makes him have to get rid of the ball quicker.
If McDowell is able to collapse the pocket from the middle, his time to deliver the ball will be reduced even further.
For those that have their doubts about McDowell, our all pro RT played him in college, he says he is the real deal, will find out on Sunday, can't wait!
Mahomes in the grand scheme of things moves well but his strongest asset is taking deep deep drops and simply waiting for someone to pop open.
He is known to hold the ball, not to take sacks but to buy himself more time and by having such a strong arm its sort of meaningless how far he drops that is a big reason why he does it. Like I said though Myles takes that away.
The combo of Myles and McDowell is lethal somehow the Chief revamped O Line is going to have to contain these 2 and I haven't even touched on Clowney.
Pressure from the outside working inside and McDowell pushing the pocket from the middle with a healthy dose of JOK coming from God knows where is going to force the ball out of Mahomes hand and if he takes off running with the team speed the Browns have he won't get far and he will be taking hits, that is really the key hit him, and keep hitting him.
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
It is Thursday, we play Sunday. Here is the ULTIMATE WET BLANKET. We are STILL in a pandemic, Covid can't be seen and players are human. Last year we all had the JETS game wrapped up as an easy win and what happened.
IF our whole team gets to play we have a real shot. Go Browns!!
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I re-watched the Superbowl recently. The Buccaneer ends rushed hard with an outside rush and even when they didn't get to Mahomes it limited the area for him to scramble around. This seemed to force Mahomes to retreat deeper from the line of scrimmage. A lot of these same plays also featured one or more Buc LBs breaking loose, sometimes late, through the middle of the Chief's OL.
My expectation is that our DEs can rush Mahomes the same way. I think the interior pressure is more likely to come from our IDL, particularly McDowell, even Elliott. It would be nice if Wu or one of the safeties can get schemed into an occasional blitz.
Offensively, I think we can score on them. The Bucs had their TE's involved a lot. They worked their Wr in a short to intermediate passing game effectively. Then of course they took their deep shots when they felt the situation was right. They were able to run the ball well which I"m completely confident that we will do.
I wonder what it was like before they had Mahomes, though. i.e. are they really low IQ, or when you can pencil in 12+ wins every season without much thought, do you just not bother digging into the little details of the team/game?
Would WE really care much about how our DTs are gonna look if we were virtually guaranteed a division win and #1/2 seed? I'd like to think so, but I have my doubts.
KC is a historically good sports town for fans. I'm sure, much like this board, there are very knowledgeable people and less knowledgeable people. And if human nature is any indicator, the less knowledgeable people are probably the loudest and most obnoxious.
Heck if somebody visited this board for a short period before a game, they would likely come away with the feeling that nobody here knows what they are talking about, nobody can agree on anything, and we are very close to starting a civil war with each other.
I was always under the impression that the Chiefs had a fanbase that was kinda similar to the Browns (surprisingly large, deep-rooted fanbase that just doesn't get the attention other teams do). Obviously a recent SB and Mahommes at QB will bring a lot of fan attention.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I was always under the impression that the Chiefs had a fanbase that was kinda similar to the Browns (surprisingly large, deep-rooted fanbase that just doesn't get the attention other teams do). Obviously a recent SB and Mahommes at QB will bring a lot of fan attention.
I would guess that KC football fans don't get a lot of attention because it has always been known, first and foremost, as a baseball town. But I have a hard time believing that sports fans who are that knowledgeable and passionate about their baseball team suddenly become passive idiots when it comes to their football team.
When we start rookies, it is always said, they will struggle as all rookies do. When we revamp our line, it is always said they will need time to gel. My question is this, are the Cheifs rookies superstars? Is their coaching so much better that these guys will perform like probowlers?
Mahommes is great, and so is Kelce, but Tampa proved that if you keep the pressure on Mahommes, he can be beat. Also, the Raiders didn't play ground and pound when they beat them, they went all in and tried to score with them. It worked.
I just think it is comical how many are suggesting that a completely revamped Oline starting three rookies, are somehow going to play like a well oiled machine.
If we limit Kelce, we have a great chance of winning this game.
Browns could have probably just Drafed Travis Kelce but they probably ended up drafting a Defensive back to start for 2 years and replace with a rookie. It's what they do.
Having a great QB will definitely help mitigate whatever struggles they have in front of them... but yeah. Rookies are gonna rookie.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I re-watched the Superbowl recently. The Buccaneer ends rushed hard with an outside rush and even when they didn't get to Mahomes it limited the area for him to scramble around. This seemed to force Mahomes to retreat deeper from the line of scrimmage. A lot of these same plays also featured one or more Buc LBs breaking loose, sometimes late, through the middle of the Chief's OL.
My expectation is that our DEs can rush Mahomes the same way. I think the interior pressure is more likely to come from our IDL, particularly McDowell, even Elliott. It would be nice if Wu or one of the safeties can get schemed into an occasional blitz.
Offensively, I think we can score on them. The Bucs had their TE's involved a lot. They worked their Wr in a short to intermediate passing game effectively. Then of course they took their deep shots when they felt the situation was right. They were able to run the ball well which I"m completely confident that we will do.
Mahomes likes to retreat deep Guard in this case it backfired on the Chiefs most of the time it's a very effective tool for Mahomes it buys him that extra bit of time and allows his skill guys more time to break free.
I could be wrong here I thought during the KC game last year Romo mentioned that the Chiefs had actually told Mahomes not to retreat but to step forward, you simply can't retreat against the Browns with Myles coming on the outside. You me all of us know Myles works his way up the field then back in behind the QB. A QB who retreats with Myles coming from the backside would be committing suicide.
I always like it when guys say I watched the game, and this is what I noticed. Then you have guys that quote stats and there used to be a cat that posted on here a lot Daytona dawg or something was his handle and he used to get pissed when someone used stats to argue, he said "stats are for losers". He was sorta right too.
Someone used them on me the other day not sure who, but stats indicate trends but leave out a lot. The stat they used was that the Browns gave up almost as many points as they scored or maybe they even gave up more then they got don't remember. On the face of it, it was sorta alarming until you realized that some of those games were in bad weather and some we had the game in the bag by half time. We went into prevent and of course in the end the board looked closer then the game really was. Between the bad weather games and the blow outs we put together it made up about 30% of our games. What that means in that instance is the stats were misleading.
I would never use a stat as my one and only, eyes on the game a feel yeah feel mean far more IMO. Understanding the game and what is happening and why are far more important. Stats are a great place to start a conversation and are interesting but they hardly tell whole stories.
Wow that was a lot to say I liked how you presented your opinion.
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Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
I just think it is comical how many are suggesting that a completely revamped Oline starting three rookies, are somehow going to play like a well oiled machine.
Who has said that?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I just think it is comical how many are suggesting that a completely revamped Oline starting three rookies, are somehow going to play like a well oiled machine.
Who has said that?
Saw one of the talking heads call it a revamped Oline that is very good and will be a top three this year. Can't imagine that either and hope Garret and company dominate them whistle to whistle. Would love to see Mahomes sacked a record number of times in the opener. And if we somehow pull off the win, beating the best team in football for the last three years, well that's a hell of a way to end this opener losing streak if you ask me.
I just think it is comical how many are suggesting that a completely revamped Oline starting three rookies, are somehow going to play like a well oiled machine.
Who has said that?
Just read this thread. It is suggested many times. That's why I made the statement.
In that article which I found under a search for nfl news or jags news in August of this year, the subject of Urban Meyers unusual way of picking starters and roster spots was addressed.
Meyer was said to be using a system of plus' and minus' or wins and losses in individual one on one matchups or quizzes, or whatever, day after day, as to draw a score for each player and thus winners and losers.
Then it was commented that these are just stats and stats are for losers, where Urban Meyer was quoted to have said, I would say losers say stats are for losers.
So, I think that is the correct link.
In Early games I think Beating the Chiefs', often times early season games come down to who can continue to play well, longer, meaning the entirety of the whole 4 quarters.
Maybe everyone shows up and brings the HEAT in the first quarter and gets fired up, but as the entirety of the game goes one, which side continues to be able to BRING IT, on into the 4th quarter, and many times, whole outcomes come down to 1 or 2 big momentum shifters, or 1 or 2 things that go right at crucial times.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
I think the Cheifs offensive line is going to be a well oiled machine, have no reason to think otherwise because, 1. they have their head coach. (Not Bruce Arians, I confuse the two), he'll have them ready.
2. I have massive expectations for Creed Humphrey, Center, he's got the look of a hall of fame player, even if it's his rookie opener. I wish the Browns would have drafted him, steelers podcasts talk about not drafting him...
3. Didn't they get another vet? yeah, Orlando Brown? yeah... nothing needs to be said.
I don't expect the Chiefs OL, to be a hiccup or major hurdle of bad play hurting the chiefs, it's wishful thinking to think they won't play adequate, but this is the NFL, The Browns just need to be, Stellar, and beat their adequate into the ground and onto their backsides.
4. Chiefs podcasts are talking about if they'll use all 4 TE's on the field at the same time, so 2 or more to help out isn't out of the question, so, I think it's wishful thinking to think the Chiefs will have a pourous OL tomorrow.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
The Offensive line - and Pass protection. Pass Protection - and the Offensive line. The Running backs, and Pass protection, and The Tight Ends and Pass Protection. The Quarterbacks awareness, and Pass Protection, The Offensive Line, and the Running Ability.
The Cleveland Browns are not built to win games with a terrible day by the Offensive line, period. So there is the question if the Offensive Line is Ready on game day?
Turnovers Turnovers Turnovers. The Browns are not built, no NFL team can be, to win games while losing the turnover battle. So there is the question if the defense has done enough to practice creating turnovers. Sacks, Quarterback Pressures Flushing the pocket The Raiders say if you get a +5 ratio of sacks and turnovers you'll win 90% of the time. So there is the question of if the base D-line can get enough pressures and holding the edges without bitzes?
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
The offense is going to be one of the best in the NFL. The question is the defense and how much it has improved?
The key to beating the Chiefs is winning the time of possession. Keep Mahomes and KC's offensive off the field as long as possible. Have long, time consuming drives that result in TDs.
Also, don't have a lot of stupid penalties on offensive and defense.