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I have a question regarding the helmet to helmet shot against DPJ at the 3 yard line yesterday. Since no flag was thrown, how did the officials know to take him out of the game following the play. Without watching the roughing replay numerous times how did the delayed roughing the passer call merit a flag when this helmet to helmet did not? Wouldn't you think if he had to leave they might have wondered about that hit?

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I believe the NFL has a person or persons at each game watching for head hits, that can determine if a players needs to go to the blue tent.

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That's what happened, just odd it took so long.


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I guess I was just very surprised there was no flag. Defender led with his helmet and made solid contact.

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I thought the roughing the passer call on us was totally crap (it was late AND wasn’t a penalty). Luckily the game was basically over at that pointt


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Originally Posted by archbolddawg
I believe the NFL has a person or persons at each game watching for head hits, that can determine if a players needs to go to the blue tent.


So they acknowledged it was a head hit, and took the player out of the game, but chose to not call the penalty? Odd that rules worked one way for Cincy and a completely different way for us.

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Originally Posted by FORTBROWNFAN
I guess I was just very surprised there was no flag. Defender led with his helmet and made solid contact.

He hit him with the shoulder.


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The reffing was terrible yesterday (double-hold on Garrett anyone????), but I do recall the same as Peen where he hit with the shoulder.


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The reffing has been so inconsistent all year for everyone it seems. I thought there was a time when they picked up a flag (it benefited us) that was lucky on our part


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I think it should have been a defenseless receiver flag vs anything


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I felt the PI calls were consistently inconsistent for both teams. I didn't feel that the balance of calls/non-calls went either way (I thought we got away with a couple on some PBUs). At the end of the day, this is all you can reasonably hope for, IMO.


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
I think it should have been a defenseless receiver flag vs anything

Sadly, I'm not great on knowing the ins and outs of the rules, but that would make more sense to me vs helmet to helmet.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
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I guess I was just very surprised there was no flag. Defender led with his helmet and made solid contact.

He hit him with the shoulder.

I watched it 5-6 times and it was serious helmet to helmet contact. Maybe shoulder first, don't think so, but I remember Jabrill Peppers getting called for less of a hit on a Bengals receiver a few years ago. If hitting a player's shoulder first negates the helmet rule, then the helmet rule is sort of worthless.

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Which angle did you see it from? The "recap" highlight to me isn't a good angle. There was another one though - during the game - that showed it from a "behind the OL" perspective and it didn't look like his helmet made contact with DPJ's. I'd be interested to see that again, to see if I'm off or not.


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Hard shoulder hit all the way. Head snaps back because the head is attached.

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Originally Posted by clwb419
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
I believe the NFL has a person or persons at each game watching for head hits, that can determine if a players needs to go to the blue tent.


So they acknowledged it was a head hit, and took the player out of the game, but chose to not call the penalty? Odd that rules worked one way for Cincy and a completely different way for us.

It doesn’t have to be a hit to the head. A guy can land in his head and look woozy.

It was a close call and could have gone either way.

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Originally Posted by dawglover05
The reffing was terrible yesterday (double-hold on Garrett anyone????), but I do recall the same as Peen where he hit with the shoulder.



Is it still holding if they're really just emphatically hugging Myles?

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2 person Bear hug not called but a textbook tackle by the waist roughing the passer call 40 seconds later is. Whatever.

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Originally Posted by FORTBROWNFAN
I guess I was just very surprised there was no flag. Defender led with his helmet and made solid contact.

It's only a Flag if the Browns are on defense and do it.
Remember the Kansas City Playoff Game and the hit on Rashard Higgins. at the 3 yard line.

If the League likes the other team more. That time KC, this time Cincy, then they'll allow whatever blatant dangerous hit to the helmet.
The Browns!

They can't push a guy in the shoulder arm, two hands out of bounds, while he's still holding the ball, if that player is a QB because the refs are biased.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by FORTBROWNFAN
I guess I was just very surprised there was no flag. Defender led with his helmet and made solid contact.

He hit him with the shoulder.
No he lead with his head. It was helmet to helmet. Is what I saw.
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Actually It was Crown of the bengals players helmet

To the Ear of DPJ's helmet. and that's why DPJ got up and pointed at his EAR because there should have been the targeting flag!
That's what I saw

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Hard shoulder hit all the way. Head snaps back because the head is attached.

Hopefully it stays that way.


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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
Originally Posted by dawglover05
The reffing was terrible yesterday (double-hold on Garrett anyone????), but I do recall the same as Peen where he hit with the shoulder.



Is it still holding if they're really just emphatically hugging Myles?

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even if a flag was thrown, just would've been half the distance to the goal (only 1.5 yards) and we already had the 1st down so maybe it was a moot point?

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