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oobernoober #1901633 11/10/21 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by oobernoober
While it's easy to get caught up in the ridiculousness of the whole situation (between Rodgers going full anti-vaxx and everyone around him uncomfortably bending to his whim because he's a top QB), the real story here that's being lost is Rodgers gave a massive finger to NFL rules, the NFL knew about his status and saw his unmasked face in PCs and the sidelines, and did nothing. It took a positive test and people putting 2 and 2 together to throw any spotlight on the subject, and the NFL's response is about as small of a slap on the wrist as they could've come up with.

Privilege and favoritism for all to see and nobody will do anything about it.
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Aside from all the bickering and window dressing, this pretty much says it all.


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Lost all respect for Rodgers the second Joe Rogan's name came into the story.


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First, nobody forced anyone into a decision they don't like. NFL players are not forced to be vaccinated. They can choose rather to be tested, wear a mask in all contact with the press and social distance in the locker room. Secondly, it was Rodgers who used the anti vaxxer, political rhetoric in that press conference. Defending that behavior most certainly seems to indicate one condones it.

As we know with Baker, not only does he do post game press conferences, but makes statements during the week. If it was broken down in regards to his fine per violation, those fines probably wouldn't add up more than an average parking ticket that Rodgers will pay.

I bet after the price the Raiders and Saints paid they're not happy right now.


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• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
• 13 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34
year-olds.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
• 17 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64
year-olds.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 4 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 9 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ yearolds.
• 9 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds

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"First, nobody forced anyone into a decision they don't like"

I wasn't talking specifically about Rogers and the NFL. I was talking about people in general. As for Rogers, if he doesn't want to follow the rules, that's his own choice. But he must pay the price for not following rules.


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Originally Posted by bonefish
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
• 13 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34
year-olds.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
• 17 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64
year-olds.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 4 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 9 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ yearolds.
• 9 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds

Using the "5 times more likely" doesn't tell the full story. 9 times a .098% chance of death is not a whole lot. So using numbers like you did is misleading.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Some people have backbones. Some people have wishbones. It's been that way forever.

I could see the wishbone argument for Rodgers because of how misleading he was. If one is making the argument that he had a backbone, he would have just said that he wasn't vaccinated in the first place. I certainly disagree with guys like JJ3 or whoever that don't get the vaccine, but I don't lack respect for them. I lack respect for Rodgers because he misled at best and outright lied at worst.


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im kinda confused by the fine because the NFL knew he was doing it.


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Originally Posted by Steubenvillian
Using the "5 times more likely" doesn't tell the full story. 9 times a .098% chance of death is not a whole lot. So using numbers like you did is misleading.

When using statistics in the most favorable light that doesn't sound like much. Rounding it off to 1%, 1% of three hundred million people is three million people. It sounds much different when you put it that way doesn't it? And that doesn't even account for the hospitalizations and long haul Covid victims that suffer from Covid for many moths after the virus has left their body.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Steubenvillian
Using the "5 times more likely" doesn't tell the full story. 9 times a .098% chance of death is not a whole lot. So using numbers like you did is misleading.

When using statistics in the most favorable light that doesn't sound like much. Rounding it off to 1%, 1% of three hundred million people is three million people. It sounds much different when you put it that way doesn't it? And that doesn't even account for the hospitalizations and long haul Covid victims that suffer from Covid for many moths after the virus has left their body.

Actually it's closer to .5% and that includes iatrogenic mortality, with such (spurious) treatment from Remdesivir and other nefarious treatments, (Midazolam) to make Covid look far worse than it truly is.

Remdesivir causes the kidneys to shut down causing the lungs to fill with fluid, leading to a false diagnosis of Covid induced pneumonia. This was pulled from a year study, six months into the study after 54% of those in the study died from this poisoning potion, and Fauci knew all about it.

Midazolam was dispensed in nursing homes, and is used by the US in lethal injections for those who had been sentenced to death.


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I was using the numbers he provided and you have shown no evidence to support your claims.


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Our analysis of HHS and CDC data indicates there were 32,000 preventable COVID-19 hospitalizations in June, 68,000 preventable COVID-19 hospitalizations in July, and another 187,000 preventable COVID-19 hospitalizations among unvaccinated adults in the U.S. in August, for a total of 287,000 across the three months. We explain more on how we arrived at these numbers below.

If each of these preventable hospitalizations cost roughly $20,000, on average, that would mean these largely avoidable hospitalizations have already cost billions of dollars since the beginning of June.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
• 13 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34
year-olds.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
• 17 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64
year-olds.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 4 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 9 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ yearolds.
• 9 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds

Heard yesterday that there was a study in Texas that concluded the unvaccinated on average are 19 times more likely to die from covid than a vaccinated person.


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There is also a study out that the vaccinated are dying less frequently for NON-COVID reasons. Now the obvious explanation to that is, those who got vaccinated are more concerned about their health than those who won't get vaccinated...


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Being obtuse is not attractive.


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es if 300 million were the number of afflicted. nice try though


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Originally Posted by Steubenvillian
es if 300 million were the number of afflicted. nice try though


If this thing isn't gotten under control, at some point every American will be infected. So three million deaths would be the ultimate consequences. You're only trying to focus on what has happened to this point. More people are infected and dying every day. So far I guess you're only trying to justify 780,236 deaths and dying. And that we continue on that same path. Not attractive.


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If this thing isn't gotten under control, at some point every American will be infected. So three million deaths would be the ultimate consequences.
How do you figure? The chances of death for somebody who is vaccinated and doesn't have serious other conditions is well under 1%.. and based on the deaths yesterday, (539), we would have to have that number of deaths ever day for more than 10 years to get to 2 million more deaths...


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Because the virus will continue to mutate and as it does, the death count will continue to rise and fall the same way as it has done since the beginning. Let me ask you, are you fine with the death rate and the continuing rise and fall of infections and deaths? Does a "0.99% death count" reassure you with over 780k deaths so far and the number of deaths rising every day? The evidence is abundantly clear that if covid is not put well under control, mutations may escalate to the point of the vaccines not working. Promoting the idea that it's not that serious by trying to use a statistic that lessens the reality of how many corpses have been created by covid is seriously disgusting. Body count and corpses matter. To most of us at least.


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I have a slightly different opinion and I'm less "doomsday" about this than you are, that obviously equates to me not caring if people die. Been nice talking to you.


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Every covid counter-point means you are a scum of the earth human who cares nothing about others.

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It's all about the choices you advocate combined with the things you don't and the results of those choices. After over 780k people have died and over 500 more dying every day, at what point would it take for that to resemble doomsday to you. A million? 1.5 Million? If you advocate that everything that can be done should not be done, then why are your positions not leading to more American deaths?

BTW- I never said you advocate more Americas die. I said the stand you are taking not to impose vaccines will lead to more deaths than need be. That is a fact and I can see how that might bother you.


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