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Better off to have had covid????? Tell that to the families of those who have lost loved ones due to covid.

The other half of that that's been repeated and confirmed (repeatedly) is even when the vaccine is less effective at preventing infection (whether it be Delta, Omicron, or whatever reason), it's been effective at preventing serious infection. Perhaps someone who is actually knowledgeable about how viruses, vaccines, the body, etc works in terms of fighting infection and serious infection can explain that part, but that but of info has been out there for a LONG time, and has been backed up by comparing hospitalization rates.

I’m not going to waste my time repeating yet again the rationale behind the vaccine that you continually sidestep. Have at it.

Oh you have provided some facts. Some without context as well. Like showing that well over 500 people in a state died that were vaccinated. What you didn't show was that it was almost exactly 10% of the deaths recorded in that state. The same thing most of the rest of us have been saying all along.

You continue to avoid the overriding factor that 90% of those hospitalized and dying are not vaccinated. Of course helping save 90% of Americans dying of Covid doesn't seem to indicate to some that the vaccine works. It seems everything else, every excuse they can find to undermine getting the vaccine or which tries to dismiss that is more important to them.

people dont want to wear a mask, dont want to get vaccinated, and yet are ticked off we're still in a pandemic.

america has to have the most selfish people in one country ever. like, the amount of people who literally cant be bothered to be a team player because "my rights" is downright sad.

its like not wanting to pay taxes, then turn around and complain about our crumbling infrastructure. i cant even engage in friendly convos with people like that. whats the point?

a lot of people in this country are just...this is why im an introvert and dont go out anywhere like that. the charcter - or lack thereof - of people is something i just cant be surrounded by. the other selfishness, disdain, and lack of empathy for others is something i consider a bigger virus than covid, and i aint trying to catch that.

Liberal Democrat States = Mandates and Oppression

Republican States = Freedom and Liberty.

Choose.

actually... this is a direct quote from your beloved news source. "people who have been previously infected and then vaccinated are likely to be well protected"

Don't you mean Republican states = Interfering in the freedom of business owners, local cities and communities?

No longer the party of Reagan.

No.

Small business and the economies of Republican States are thriving. Those locals are also Republicans.

Mandates, checking of papers for vax are killing business in Lib States. There comes a point where having to show ID, vax papers, etc makes people choose to just skip it and stay home.

Fixed it for you, and there is only one choice, UNLESS YOU'RE DOWN WITH INSURRECTIONIST.

Republican governors are limiting the rights of free enterprise to make their own choices. Communism.

I’m a heavy extrovert, but that just has to do with my energy. The last two years has made me really develop a disdain for people as a whole.

What is my beloved News source?

I thought you would have gotten it by now. I think your a moderate but more conservative by nature. But you don't walk the Trumpian line. Therefore you are labeled a liberal by the Trumpian right. That's just how it works in todays political climate. Funny thing. Trumpians for the most part claim not to be believe in man made climate change. Yet when it comes to politics they as a group have single handedly changed the entire political climate.

That's because you are going down that slippery slope towards Liberalism. Soon you will Hate, Fear, and be generally miserable.

Conservatives are generally happier people with positive attitudes. Priorities... God, Family, Country, Work, Self.

Just because you and your kind have ran a sprint towards crazy doesn't mean normal conservatives are going down a slippery slope. You are the people who invested in the snow skis and then claim it's others going down a slippery slope.

They sure didn't seem very happy on January 6th. They weren't making their voters very happy when they kept, and some still keep spreading those lies about the election either. I'm not sure you comprehend the definition of happy. It was angry, name calling hateful Trump you elected. Not someone who was happy. You elected someone who holds the same hatred of others that you do.

happier? lmfao what? we are STILL witnessing conservatives throw the longest hissy fit in history since the civil war. there's a war on christmas, thanksgiving, easter, christianity and a bunch of others. yall stormed the capital ticked off cause your guy didnt win, ticked off about CRT that you dont understand, and ticked off about actually taking care of the country by wearing a mask or getting vaccinated.

none of that says you guys are happier people with positive attitudes. if i was to be a conservative today, i'd have to buy weapons that would protect a military base, convert to a fundamentalist view of christianity, and be scared of my own shadow because its a darker color than im comfortable with. listening to conservatives would make a person think the world was about to end.

Oh I get it. He claims to be a data guy, so I wanted him to show me the data that says that’s my favorite news source. It’s all more deflection anyhow.

There’s a difference between “conservative” and “Conservative TM”. The latter has fallen down the slippery slope. I prioritize all those things you mentioned, but I don’t force them on anyone and I advocate that there’s pluralistic viewpoints for all of those and understand that we all need to be respectful of that. Not only respectful, actually, but embracing of that construct.

I am happy you prioritize the things I mentioned, it means there is still hope for you.

Being a Conservative Light is pretty much what we all were once, in the Conservative world that is, but life passed us by by being pluralistic.

The Left has gone from a message of feeding the poor and lifting up minorities when I was young, to destroying the family, especially Black families.
They have destroyed the cohesiveness of our Society through the indoctrination of our children in school and the killing of future generations through abortion.
Today they worry more about the illegals who stream across our open borders than the Citizens whose farms and ranches, towns and cities are overrun.

They fund their progressive DA's and AG's, get them elected, to end bail and throw the criminals back on the streets.
They defund the police, then turn every criminal they arrest loose, before the arresting officer can finish the paperwork. They have demoralized law enforcement.

So while we remained pluralistic, they continued to destroy our Nation and our Society. It is now time to step it up, to argue for our beliefs, and tell them to their faces...

"This far and no Further!"

The election of 2022 will be Glorious!

Your delusional. The what used to be conservative party now lives on a steady diet of conspiracies and paranoia. You're not a conservative. You're a right wing extremist. Big difference.

You write this but can't see the equivalent erosion of values/integrity happening on the Right. Hypocrite.

Refusing to man up and admit it and not being able to see it are two different things. I'm not sure which one applies in this instance.

um... the one that is quoted above.


I didn't write "people who have been previously infected and then vaccinated are likely to be well protected" the above-quoted news source did.

So it was you who quoted CNN and then claimed it was his beloved news source? Alrighty then.

Well, here we go again...

100% of the 8 Browns players tested positive for covid had the shot.

we still have 3 others on the covid list. (all 3 had the shot)
that puts us at 11 members who have the shot and have cvoid.

11 players is about 15-20% of the roster.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...d-reserve-covid-19-list-cleveland-browns

nope just the news source that said it.

So you're now trying to deny you replied to him with this remark?


You do realize it's posted on the board where everyone can read it, right?

you do realize that you are trying to make it something that it is not right? That way you can deflect from the fact it was said.



"your" intention was not to say that dawlover only watches or believes in CNN. I am fully aware that dawglover doesn't bow down to CNN (insert any news station).

the intention was to say that it was not me who said these things and citing a source.

That's nowhere close to what your reply said. Not even in the same ballpark. It was a direct response to dawglover. And I'm trying to deflect from what was said? You mean like when you tried to use shock value by showing over 500 people in Oregon who died were vaccinated until I gave proof that that amount was almost exactly 10% of those who died of covid in Oregon? The exact same thing you've told over and over again? That kind of defelction? You never did respond to that. Hmmmm....

well, I am grateful that I was able to clarify my intention.

I see you're still avoiding that Oregon is running at 10% of deaths of vaccinated people. Color me shocked. Would you like to clear that one up while you're at it?

can you provide me the link to the study/source so I can read through the data?

Your post and source.....


Oregon
Coronavirus Cases:
401,564
Deaths:
5,420

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/oregon/

Latest update...

Updated 12/14/2021 with data from 12:01 am (updated Monday - Friday)*
Total cases 402,436
Total deaths 5,469
Positive tests 546,606
Negative tests 7,793,265
Total tests 8,339,871

https://govstatus.egov.com/OR-OHA-COVID-19

thanks! I'll check this out.


the CDC just released some new info about 2020 that paints a much different picture than what people are portraying.


75% of deaths are among covid were over the age of 65 with underlying health issues and 82% of those were expected to die during the same timeframe

*It's not anything to sneeze over. But, a much different story than what the news is portraying and nowhere near the 800,000 deaths the news is claiming. *The numbers the news reports Deaths for which COVID-19 was a contributing, but not the underlying, cause of death.


91% of covid deaths were labeled as underlying/contributing, not as the primary reason. (9% are assumed covid as the primary cause of death).

the CDC has supplied 0 data on who was vaccinated vs not in 2020

You might want to check your names again. 3rd and 20 posted the Oregon article, not superbowldogg.

so what happens when 50% of the NFL ends up with covid?

are people going to illogically argue that they are safer with a shot and say "if you get the shot you won't get as sick"
*this is like the 1920s when they had cocaine in cough syrup and claimed it would help people get over a cold and not be as sick if they didn't use it.

There is no data that can support "as sick" with or without the shot.... because you can't give or ungive someone a proper dose and the effects range so vastly from one person to the next.
They also don't who is more or less susceptible to getting sick vs really sick vs deathly ill vs death.

Given the new numbers that came out from the CDC... i'd be pissed at the news and the false narratives they are trying to force on people. it's discussing.

It's discussing?

For real SBD, your anti-vaxxer game is weak. But the Q is strong with you bro… You keep preaching though, because in the end, you might find some small Pyrrhic victory to hang your hat on.

While it is true that you can't (at least I don't think you can) definitively quantify how much sicker somebody would've become had they not been vaccinated prior to COVID infection... the clear difference in hospital and death rates between vaccinated and not (and the consistently in those differences) is pretty significant. Whether or not someone can bridge this gap is the difference between engaging the brain and willful ignorance.