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The #Raiders at #Browns game is being postponed to Monday, per league source.

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Browns staff is now being told that they'll play the Raiders on Monday at 5 p.m. ET.

Let’s get weird!

5pm on Monday. I’ll be there!

What is that supposed to achieve? Or will they change policies between now and then?

They already have altered the policies; I hope it helps us


Raiders-Browns game postponed to Monday
Posted by Josh Alper on December 17, 2021, 2:40 PM EST


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The Raiders and Browns will not be playing on Saturday afternoon.

As initially reported by Josina Anderson of USA Today Sports and now reported by many, the game between the two AFC teams is being pushed back to Monday because of the COVID-19 outbreak that’s hit the Browns this week. They have 20 players on their COVID-19 reserve list and head coach Kevin Stefanski also tested positive this week.


This is the first game that has been rescheduled this year after it happened multiple times in 2020 due to COVID issues.

Multiple reports say the game will kick off at 5 p.m. ET in Cleveland. The Saturday game was set to be broadcast on NFL Network and will remain on that channel.

There are also conversations taking place about moving the Washington-Eagles and Seahawks-Rams games to Tuesday because of outbreaks in Washington and Los Angeles.

Our backups have more time to practice with each other.

I just think the NFL needs to shut it down for a week, step back and see where where they’re at. Just pray this situation don’t spiral out of control. What’s two days gonna do, have more positives?

and get Covid...

Nothing, just Roger gritting his teeth and bending a bit... with a middle finger attached.

Raiders’ K.J. Wright rips NFLPA: I pay my player dues just to get lied to
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 17, 2021, 2:51 PM EST

NFL: DEC 12 Raiders at Chiefs
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After the NFL Players Association pushed for postponements, the NFL has given in and decided to delay three games this week, including Raiders-Browns, to accommodate teams that have been ravaged by COVID-19. And some Raiders players think something fishy is going on.

That’s because the president of the Players Association is Browns center J.C. Tretter, and Raiders linebacker K.J. Wright is among those who think the union is favoring the Browns with its lobbying to give them more time to prepare.


“I pay my player dues just to get lied to and the rules bent,” Wright wrote. “If it was the other way around I swear we would be playing tomorrow.”

Wright directed one tweet at Tretter and said, “let’s keep our word President. This is pretty simple to me.” Raiders cornerback Casey Hayward similarly took a shot at Tretter.

In Wright’s opinion, the Browns should either be able to field a team of the players who are available, or forfeit the game.

“I just wanna play ball,” Wright said. “I would say play or forfeit.”

But that isn’t happening. Instead, the Raiders are being told that they have to delay their game by 48 hours this week, then play on short rest next week, to accommodate the Browns.

hmmm How do I tell K.J. Wright politely to kiss my ass. Oh I just did.

This is one of few times I dont want to work at night but have no choice

And that sounds great. I would love for that to be a realistic possibility. The problem is the logistics of it all. TV time, contracts all in place with the half time show and every business surrounding an event like the SB would make it virtually impossible from a logistics standpoint to simply push everything back a week.

The forfeit rule was only ever in play for teams who didn't meet the % threshold of vaccinated players. The Browns were well over that number (80 or 90%, IIRC).

K.J. Wright and the Raiders still mad because Roger wouldn't reschedule their game last year when their OL went down. The NFL fined them $350,000 for not wearing masks and players refusing to wear tracking devices... Reports were that their OL had been gathering without masks.

Kinda my question also. Plus, people like peen, and I'm sure many others, coming from far away for a Sat. game. What will they do? And like you said, how will this help the covid positive get in the game?

Arch,
From my post earlier in the Browns covid thread, the NFL is changing the get back to work policy for asymptomatic players-And there was just a twitter that I saw that said that multiple Browns and Rams players that were part of the outbreak from a couple of days ago have already been cleared to play on Monday-So maybe the extra couple days will really help us

Good GO BROWNS

So apparently if you have been vaccinated you can return from Covid pretty soon with higher cycle threshold values (whatever the hell that is).

Sounds like Baker will play and possibly more.

j/c...

He went on December 9th... so he's returning eight days later.

It's funny how the Raiders are crying that they can't play our practice squad but if the shoe was on the other foot they'd be crying the blues . If it were the Raiders I'd completely understand because I can read where the forfeit rule was only for unvaccinated teams. I knew this before hand and they keep saying BUT the rules said they'd forfeit

Well, at least they moved the game. I wasn't expecting the league to do so. It is the fair and right decision.

Thanks.

It just seems to me the nfl is changing rules to accommodate a game. Like "Oh, hey, maybe we ought to change this rule/law/guideline cause....."

If science says fine, so be it. I still wonder about the fans though.

They wanted us to forfeit until they realized they wouldn’t receive a game check I’m guessing

Njoku was similar. I think this means (optimistically) we only get some of the earliest ones that went on the list this week(?).

Sounds about right, although we have no idea how this new testing procedure will deem players "fairly non-contagious".

"Fairly non-contagious?" Kinda seems like a New Science of Personal Convenience to me. This practice of New Medicine also allows "some what dead" and "a little bit pregnant." You are or you are not dead, contagious, pregnant. Yoda logic. This is starting out with the convenience of a test result you need to "find" and manufacturing it. Somebody had to sweat to come up with this "solution." Glad Baker Mayfield said his bit about it, because the NFL and the owners and the commish are really looking worse in their deciding issues. This would be easily doable moreover if we hadn't added that extra game, their Grail, to complicate this train wreck of a season. It is not about football as much as it is about surviving the exceptions, the pronouncements, the officiating, the scheduling, and the rulings (fines as well). Still not sure what pass interference or a catch are, after years of watching. The ignored calls may be worse, like holding. Thanks, Bakes!

Whoever the Browns Quarterback is when they finally play. He cannot be sitting back holding the ball waiting to make a decision.

Has To Be A Quick Release!

Pass Protection!
Run Defense!
Quick Release by the quarterback, quick decisions, Throw it! Throw it away! or Run! Positive plays, Win the Game.

I think no matter what we’re still going to be without a large swath of important players on Monday. 2 days isn’t going to make the difference with anyone that’s truly sick and if the asymptomatic continue to test positive, they too will probably still not be able to play.

So look for a very simplified run run run and dink dunk offense. And look for them to drop back and heave it down field over and over looking for DB miscommunications and expecting a nice clean pocket. With no clowney they’ll load 3 up on Garret. The table is set for them.

All we’ll have going for us is the hunger of unproven players given an opportunity to shine and an element of chaos. And if we do win, jeez, lots of our best players just got a 2nd bye week’s rest and recover to prep for the hardest game of the year.

No bruh, you want to play against the 2nd and 3rd string... if you really just wanted to play ball, you would be willing to wait an extra day or two...

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-make-roster-moves-x1307

Tony Fields lb, Jacob Phillips, Mack Wilson, added to Covid. (Ronnie Harrison) it says 8 , 8 added to Covid, but those are the 4 I'm not sure were previously listed.

THE BROWNS BRING BACK KYLE LAULETTA QB, OFF of Jacksonvilles practice squad. ...

To be honest, that = FOUR!!! Quarterbacks, potentially who could play in this weeks game, to be mentioned new, in the last 4 DAYS!!

Was going to be Case Keenum because Baker had Covid.
Was going to be be (remembering...) Nick Mullins, because Case Keenum also had Covid!

Was going to , Maybe it's Baker again because they were going to change the testing rules.

Now at least they signed Kyle Lauletta, (who played as a Brown through all of training camp and (I think) pre season this year.

^ that's not over 8 days, NOW! It still may hopefully be, Baker, or Case, or take your pick, but that's not new news over a week, no those are in the last 4 DAYS. So, Hopefully, Whoever plays, Plays really well!!!
Go Browns!!!

I want to see the Browns play the Raiders with the Raiders not able to field their top tight end, or one of their top 2 threats at wide receiver.
That was the prospect 2 days ago, and I hope it stays that way.

If there were no conspiracy's it wouldn't be a word in the dictionary.

So the Conspiracy thinking in me thinks perhaps a peculiar thing happened, and the NFL was better to address it by moving the Browns Raiders game. What happened?

In order to make the final week of the year games continue to have so much meaning, the NFL, faced with the current landscape in the AFC, and having such a peculiar thing as the Browns being a better team than their beloved ravens and steers in the afc north,

that the NFL, voila, would rather know how better to fix the games if the Browns Raiders game were played
AFTER
the other weekends games, instead of before, including, Bengals at Broncos, Titans at Steelers, packers at ravens,

obviously to make sure that the browns are relegated to 4th place in the division where the league officees and Hollywood/new y ork snobs demand they be.

We gotta get this guy!


https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tim-couch-filling-in-browns-quarterback-covid

Well, I sit in my hotel in Middleburg Heights, waiting to drive home to Tennessee in the morning. Waiting for the game on Monday is out of the question this go. We have to leave for Florida Wednesday morning. I wasn't about to back the long drives together. I have to get to Ocala on Wednesday to finish up the drive on Thursday.

No worries though. My wife and I took the back roads through Amish country from Cincy up to Cleveland. We had a nice dinner at Don's Pomeroy House, then drove through a super Christmas lights display over at the county fairgrounds.

As for the tickets, I gave them to a employee here at the hotel I have gotten to know over this past year. She said her husband and son will enjoy them very much...so a feel good moment. I get to go to all the games I want.

I do feel for other fans who might not be able to do that or those who may have flown for the game. Trying to change flights this late is costly, and given the time of year, maybe not even possible.

So, we catch a break. Let's take advantage and go win the game. I guess it will be on some sort of TV. Guess I'll go to the bar Monday afternoon and watch.

Go Browns.

Let's go Dawgs!

Win this one for 'Peen!

Nice touch, giving your tickets to people who may not get to a game very often.

That's who he is bro. If he's not going he's often giving them away, usually to underprivileged kids.

Good stuff, Peen.

HEY BALLPEEN good for you champion! Great thing to do!

So the question is how many players and who will be back. Clowney has symptoms so I dont see him coming back but I hope takk will be

Sounds a lot like the term "a little bit pregnant".

I do not understand why every player in the NFL wasnt tested this week

Where do you get information on who is symptomatic, and who is not.

That was very nice of you Peen. Even though we disagree about some things there's no doubt that you're a genuinely good guy. Sorry you couldn't stay for the game.

so....35-24 browns?

It does... but isn't that what they're doing? Players will still have a viral load, meaning they are in fact contagious... by setting some arbitrary (although supported by medical professionals) threshold, they're basically saying "not contagious enough to really worry".

Am I wrong? Maybe Portland can answer...

Welp, add James Hudson to the list now!

If it was that contagious, shouldn't the ratbirds have a ton of positives too?

I would also defer to Portland as well but it certainly sounds as though you're right. Those were my thoughts exactly.

IF the Browns players were infected before that game one would think so. But that's an unknown.

j/c...

Occam's razor is also in the dictionary, when faced with multiple hypotheses, the simplest one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. The simplest hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is that the NFL just wanted to make the game as competitive as possible since it has playoff implications for so many teams.

You might as well try explaining the Pythagorean Theorem to your dog.

j/c...

Takk McKlindly Back for Raiders Game Per ESPN

Game ball goes to Peen! Holiday spirit of giving. Proud to know this guy!

Man, the Raiders sure are complaining a lot....Yikes

j/c….

Browns/Raiders betting line just jumped to Browns -3.

They sure are. They're crying that they might not get to play a team that has more than a dozen starters on the bench, a 4th string qb and no HC. They still might, but they wanted to be sure, lol.

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Source: #Browns standout G Wyatt Teller is coming off the COVID-19 reserve list.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1472596479659417601

This right here is one of the best things I heard.

Baker coming back?

Brad Stainbrook
@BrownsByBrad
Source: #Browns have notified free agent QB Jake Dolegala they will not be signing him at this time. Dolegala has spent the past 48 hours in Cleveland waiting to see if the team would need him.

https://twitter.com/BrownsByBrad/status/1472592778899173378

I think he was more of a precaution in case Mullens got Covid.

That's a big, BIG plus.

Yea and I was on their side last year when they lost their entire OL for a week due to covid. I thought that game should have been moved. Now I take that back.

Just saw this: If we win tomorrow, we move into first place for the division. Let’s gets this done men!

Yeah, thats a pretty fortuitous result considering where we were before the bye.

This is the “easiest” game left, but it’s still a 50/50 one IMO

As of this moment, we are in control of our own destiny to win the division.

As frustrating as this season has been, I always remind myself that for the second year in a row, Browns fans haven't begun draft talk after Thanksgiving.

Things are better now than they've ever been. Not even close to ideal yet, but a team that is still worth watching in mid-December.

People forget we have a young team with a young HC in his first gig. We'll be alright, just need to fix some things and get healthy. I wish they would allow year round meeting and walkthroughs though, sucks waiting for them to gel until mid season. Would be better for them to be gelled for that first game. Just thinking out loud here.

When you look at the timelines they pretty much do, but I understand your point. I could see allowing a few extra weeks of time. Rosters purge maybe 20-25% every year. Free agents sign in March, rookies are drafted in April. You can't do much to move those up by a whole lot, so it is a petty tight schedule as it stands.

Hopefully, we're now done with wholesale guttings and remodelings of our defense & offense and going forward, year after year, the majority of guys will already be experienced.
Hopefully, this also results in better results than we're currently seeing from our offense, because it appears to have "gelled" like diesel this past offseason.

Everybody get hyped!! We winning this game today!!! Imma get drunk (it only takes me two shots and a mixed drink cause I’m a lightweight) and scream at the TV!!!

Guys, we win this game and we’re going on a run!!! Even after all the nonsense that happened this season, we’re in the mix to not only win the division, but get atleast a 3rd or 2nd seed!!!

Baker and Kennum still have covid

if true... ugh

Welp.....would take a miracle now. And, while I will take heat, I feel the tests of baker and Keenum may have been predetermined as punishment for Baker speaking out in first place. Not saying this as fact, not at all, but I feel there is a decent chance of this being true

not good news



+ Walker too

well... it is what it is folks.


Our playoff hopes are in the Hands of Nick Mullens --- like we all expected at the start of the season

Aight so nick mullens is gonna keep our season alive!!!

Theres little chance this won't be an ugly loss. It makes next week a must win for sure.

I think there is a good chance he might. This is the kind of dismal situation Baker would thrive in, odds stacked against us and nobody expecting us to pull off a win. Mullins has played well at times and under similar conditions. This game is for all the chips, no pressure.

Thing about Mullins, is he has experience, and is no slouch. The Ttackle situation bothers me more than anything.

This is going to be a glorious train wreck of a game.... the only question is whether we walk away from the wreck, or whether we're immolated in the process.

Make no mistake - because it is a conference game, barring multiple losses by the teams in our division in their remaining games, a loss tonight ends our playoff hopes.
Yes, there is a scenario where we can win the division at 9-8, so *technically*, we can lose tonight AND next week against Green Bay and still win the division, but it requires a LOT of hoping for certain games to fall our way (CIN>BAL, KC>PIT; KC>CIN, CLE>PIT; CLE>CIN, PIT>BAL).

Just Win, Baby.

#mullinsmafia