Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
#1914416 12/25/21 08:35 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 51,484
Likes: 723
Swish Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 51,484
Likes: 723
It’s OBJs fault.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

- Theodore Roosevelt
Swish #1914418 12/25/21 08:37 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,504
Likes: 806
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,504
Likes: 806
"How to Blow It", by Baker Mayfield.

In his defense, he didn't get in much work and there was a hold on that last pass....but still.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Swish #1914419 12/25/21 08:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 51,484
Likes: 723
Swish Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 51,484
Likes: 723
Also, guys. Baker was missing routine throws. I understand the last INT should’ve been a defensive holding, but baker should’ve had 4 picks anyway if the defender doesn’t drop one. 5 if the defender didn’t drop the pass on the two pointer.

This game was here for the taking. The defense did their job yet again. All 3 TDs the packers scored came off our QBs turnovers.

Baker just isn’t it.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

- Theodore Roosevelt
Swish #1914420 12/25/21 08:38 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 497
1st String
Offline
1st String
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 497
Amazing. The run was working fantastically and yet for three straight downs with the game and season on the line they call plays for Color-Blind Baker to throw his 4th interception. He’s got to go. And I’m pretty upset with Stepflunksi and his idiotic switch to the passing game. Season is over.


Never have hope. You won’t be disappointed.
Swish #1914421 12/25/21 08:38 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 32,581
Likes: 668
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 32,581
Likes: 668
Well, that jackass sure as hell didn't help things around here. Couldn't find his hands to save his soul, while wearing orange and brown. I'm sick of hearing about his ass, too.

Last edited by OldColdDawg; 12/25/21 08:38 PM.

Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Swish #1914422 12/25/21 08:38 PM
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 873
Likes: 25
B
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
B
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 873
Likes: 25
we scored a TD in the 4th, so there's that

I'm selling my Mayfield stock, I'd rather invest in Deshaun Watson, at this moment I don't care if he sexually assaulted half the city of Houston, I just want a winner at QB

Ballpeen #1914423 12/25/21 08:39 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 51,484
Likes: 723
Swish Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 51,484
Likes: 723
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
"How to Blow It", by Baker Mayfield.

In his defense, he didn't get in much work and there was a hold on that last pass....but still.

Yea, I get he didn’t get any work this week.

But work or not, you don’t throw it into double coverage.

2 of his picks could’ve been a minimum of 2 FGs if we don’t turn it over. Another FG if he doesn’t take back to back sacks.

We had 3 back ups on the line and still rushed for over 200. I’m just done with baker.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

- Theodore Roosevelt
Swish #1914424 12/25/21 08:41 PM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 116
S
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
S
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 116
I hate to say it, but, Baker blew this game. I also never criticize play calling, but three passes when you are averaging 7 yards a carry is piss poor play calling. Njoku was open multiple times and the ball is behind him. The long throws were atrocious. This team will not go anywhere with Baker, it's sad to say.

Back ups all over the field, and you take basically the best team in the league to the wire, only to be beat by horrible QB play.

This front office needs to go all in on Deshaun. We are, as been said many times over the years, a QB away from being a good team.

Last edited by Steubenvillian; 12/25/21 08:43 PM.

"The Elf is killing the Curse"
boofers20 #1914425 12/25/21 08:41 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,661
Likes: 40
S
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,661
Likes: 40
Originally Posted by boofers20
we scored a TD in the 4th, so there's that

I'm selling my Mayfield stock, I'd rather invest in Deshaun Watson, at this moment I don't care if he sexually assaulted half the city of Houston, I just want a winner at QB


Comon man be better then that. I would not want that rapist on our team if we could get him for nothing


" Now here you are running these dirty old streets tattoo on your neck fake gold on your teeth, got the hood here snowed but you can't fool me, we both know who you are"
boofers20 #1914426 12/25/21 08:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 51,484
Likes: 723
Swish Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 51,484
Likes: 723
Originally Posted by boofers20
we scored a TD in the 4th, so there's that

I'm selling my Mayfield stock, I'd rather invest in Deshaun Watson, at this moment I don't care if he sexually assaulted half the city of Houston, I just want a winner at QB

I hate to say it but he’s worth the risk at this point. If he gets cleared but suspended a few games for player misconduct, so be it.

Right now I’m calling Houston.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

- Theodore Roosevelt
Swish #1914427 12/25/21 08:42 PM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
L
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
L
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
just run the ball when the game is on the line and we win


I`m good with Baker... Playoffs is good enough for me.
Swish #1914428 12/25/21 08:42 PM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,291
Likes: 45
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,291
Likes: 45
Roger Goodell can SAD. His league is garbage. His officials are CHEATERS. The Browns may not have won this game in the end, but officials REPEATEDLY "missing" calls in Browns games (or simply making them up) is criminal. These games are fixed. There is NO question in my mind. Follow the money. An investigation is needed. I'm sick and tired of watching this BLATANT cheating. Enough.


The Browns finally have a leader in the building. It won't be long before Jim Schwartz is in charge. Thankfully.
1 member likes this: Tackman
Swish #1914429 12/25/21 08:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Likes: 501
C
Legend
Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Likes: 501
An average QB and that’s a blowout.

Swish #1914430 12/25/21 08:43 PM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
L
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
L
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
redzone we should run the ball and take as many fgs we can


I`m good with Baker... Playoffs is good enough for me.
Swish #1914431 12/25/21 08:43 PM
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 806
Likes: 68
T
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
T
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 806
Likes: 68
Baker's passing game looking horrid, so what does Stefanski do? Magically call pass plays when Chubb/D'Ernest were tearing it up. Plenty of TOs to use the run game.

Regardless - on Baker for not protecting the ball and Stefanksi for playing right to Baker's weakness.

Swish #1914432 12/25/21 08:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,240
Likes: 57
R
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
R
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,240
Likes: 57
We had 3 timeouts and 50 seconds left. Take the dang timeout, let Chubb catch his breath, and get him back in there. Fire Stefanski and bring in Doug Pederson.

Nonsense to blame this game on officiating. We have one of the 10 worst qb’s in the league and he threw 3 int’s - and nearly threw 4 before the final drive. Then did throw #4 on the final drive! Lol.

Season is officially over. Starting now, our guys will want to preserve their health for the offseason. - Vacations await and they have lots of money in their bank accounts to spend. You can expect a 50% effort from here on out.

‘Tis the Season! Merry Christmas Gents! There are other things to celebrate tonight and over the next week.

The Beast #1914434 12/25/21 08:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
L
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
L
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 9
Originally Posted by The Beast
Roger Goodell can SAD. His league is garbage. His officials are CHEATERS. The Browns may not have won this game in the end, but officials REPEATEDLY "missing" calls in Browns games (or simply making them up) is criminal. These games are fixed. There is NO question in my mind. Follow the money. An investigation is needed. I'm sick and tired of watching this BLATANT cheating. Enough.

home cooking for sure...offsides by gb and its false start without moving


I`m good with Baker... Playoffs is good enough for me.
The Beast #1914435 12/25/21 08:45 PM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 116
S
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
S
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 116
Originally Posted by The Beast
Roger Goodell can SAD. His league is garbage. His officials are CHEATERS. The Browns may not have won this game in the end, but officials REPEATEDLY "missing" calls in Browns games (or simply making them up) is criminal. These games are fixed. There is NO question in my mind. Follow the money. An investigation is needed. I'm sick and tired of watching this BLATANT cheating. Enough.


I didn't want to bring up the officials, but they blew many calls today that hurt us. Still 4INTS, you will always lose.


"The Elf is killing the Curse"
Swish #1914436 12/25/21 08:45 PM
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433
Likes: 11
R
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
R
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433
Likes: 11
This take is hotter than a freshly stolen BMW.

Swish #1914438 12/25/21 08:46 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,475
Likes: 494
E
Legend
Offline
Legend
E
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,475
Likes: 494
I thought the team played well overall. And the gameplan was solid.

The ints are on Baker and I'm sure he will own them.

I noticed that Baker seemed to get rid of the ball quicker and so Im wondering if that is the reason for those ints.
Normally he hems and haws before throwing.
So I guess my question is if he is trying to change up his play.


No Craps Given
Swish #1914439 12/25/21 08:46 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,504
Likes: 806
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,504
Likes: 806
Originally Posted by Swish
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
"How to Blow It", by Baker Mayfield.

In his defense, he didn't get in much work and there was a hold on that last pass....but still.

Yea, I get he didn’t get any work this week.

But work or not, you don’t throw it into double coverage.

2 of his picks could’ve been a minimum of 2 FGs if we don’t turn it over. Another FG if he doesn’t take back to back sacks.

We had 3 back ups on the line and still rushed for over 200. I’m just done with baker.

My addition of....but still... was my way of indicating it was a half ass defense of his play.

We will keep him for next season, but the guy is playing his way out of Cleveland.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
lionchamp29 #1914440 12/25/21 08:47 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,840
Likes: 180
H
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
H
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,840
Likes: 180
We got the short end of the officiating for sure but let's face it, the 4 interceptions were ridiculous even if the last one shouldn't have counted. We beat ourselves constantly.

Swish #1914442 12/25/21 08:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,449
Likes: 1
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,449
Likes: 1
Baker blows, Stephanski can't call a game for his life....
We need a QB...and whats the deal with all the advertising on this site? Geez....

Swish #1914443 12/25/21 08:48 PM
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
The Browns fortunes, and culture, won't change until we get our Rodgers.

Aikman lamented consistently throughout the telecast that the difference in winning and losing is the routine plays that Baker just didn't make. If he connects with Njoku two plays before the pick, you're in FG range.

There's two things going on with Baker...he either doesn't work hard enough in the off season / isn't working on the right things or he just doesn't have it between the ears.

The problem is unless you are in a position to draft Ridder, you're stuck with Baker. Rodgers and Wilson are not coming to Cleveland. Watson does not fit the culture here.

Now let's hear how it's everyone else's fault but Baker's.

1 member likes this: RememberMuni
Swish #1914445 12/25/21 08:49 PM
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 873
Likes: 25
B
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
B
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 873
Likes: 25
Yeah the only feel good thing I would take away from this season is if we can beat Pittsburgh next week (and we should), but I have zero faith we can do that.

Also for the Baker apologists for him not getting in any work this week, clearly he needs it, but realistically he should know the offense by know, know the timing of his guys, and hit them on target by now this late in the season.

Rishuz #1914447 12/25/21 08:50 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,504
Likes: 806
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,504
Likes: 806
I like Pickett.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Ballpeen #1914448 12/25/21 08:50 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,840
Likes: 180
H
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
H
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,840
Likes: 180
I have been a Baker supporter but the more I see the more I'm starting to think that his critics may be right. Obviously we should keep him for now but if there is a chance to upgrade at the QB position we should do it. JMO

EveDawg #1914449 12/25/21 08:51 PM
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
Originally Posted by EveDawg
I thought the team played well overall. And the gameplan was solid.

The ints are on Baker and I'm sure he will own them.

I noticed that Baker seemed to get rid of the ball quicker and so Im wondering if that is the reason for those ints.
Normally he hems and haws before throwing.
So I guess my question is if he is trying to change up his play.

He's not good Eve.

It's ok. Just admit it.

Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 873
Likes: 25
B
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
B
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 873
Likes: 25
Quote
Still 4INTS, you will always lose.

Unless you are the Browns playing the Ravens, and pick of Lamar 4 times, then becoming the 1st team in NFL history to do that and still lose

boofers20 #1914451 12/25/21 08:56 PM
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
Originally Posted by boofers20
Quote
Still 4INTS, you will always lose.

Unless you are the Browns playing the Ravens, and pick of Lamar 4 times, then becoming the 1st team in NFL history to do that and still lose

Browns are just a loser organization.

It will always be that way until we find the next Aaron Rodgers.

Rishuz #1914452 12/25/21 08:58 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,475
Likes: 494
E
Legend
Offline
Legend
E
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 16,475
Likes: 494
No, youre a hater.

I recognize that this team is a work in progress. Not a finished product.

Before the season started we all thought we were going to the Superbowl.
We all bought into the hype train.

But nobody recognized that last year was a creampuff schedule and this year is a ball cracker schedule.
That and we have a young team and young coaches.

So now yall want to burn down the house and start over.
That's BS.

Let them learn from their mistakes and get better.
This team has way too much talent to trash them.

They are a work in progress.
I give them a pass for this season.

Fill in some holes in the offseason and heal those injuries.


No Craps Given
6 members like this: Homewood Dog, Moxdawg, FrankZ
Swish #1914453 12/25/21 09:00 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 6,937
Likes: 69
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 6,937
Likes: 69
Stefanski has a few issues but can't blame him today. That was on BM's shoulders. 4 - 0 turnovers and there is your ballgame, folks....


When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
EveDawg #1914454 12/25/21 09:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,245
Likes: 100
H
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
H
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,245
Likes: 100
Hear, hear, Eve.

That tool is the ultimate hater.

1 member likes this: EveDawg
EveDawg #1914455 12/25/21 09:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
Originally Posted by EveDawg
No, youre a hater.

7-8 in a season filled with super bowl aspirations.

15 tds, 11 ints (these are Bernie numbers in a run heavy 80's NFL).

No fourth quarter comebacks this season.

Only one fourth quarter comeback in the last two year's.

One (maybe 2?) fourth quarter comebacks against winning teams ever.

Craps the bed on every nationally televised game.

Laughed at and ridiculed by TV analysts across multiple networks.

...and I'm the hater.

This is what happens when you root for players and not the Browns.

Swish #1914456 12/25/21 09:11 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,590
Likes: 238
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,590
Likes: 238
3 picks were gifts from the refs


Blocking those who argue to argue, eliminates the argument.
Rishuz #1914457 12/25/21 09:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Originally Posted by EveDawg
No, youre a hater.

7-8 in a season filled with super bowl aspirations.

15 tds, 11 ints (these are Bernie numbers in a run heavy 80's NFL).

No fourth quarter comebacks this season.

Only one fourth quarter comeback in the last two year's.

One (maybe 2?) fourth quarter comebacks against winning teams ever.

Craps the bed on every nationally televised game.

Laughed at and ridiculed by TV analysts across multiple networks.

...and I'm the hater.

This is what happens when you root for players and not the Browns.

Just saw a tweet ...

Baker has had the ball with the chance to win/tie on the final drive 16 times in his career. His record is 2-14.

I said this even before the season started ... if Baker didn't take a step forward and start beating good teams and be able to put a team on his back, the Browns will go nowhere.

Guess what. They are going nowhere.

But my favorite part about this week will be post after post dissecting the Njoku play and if he got the right "depth" on his route so that Baker could complete the pass.

1 member likes this: 3rd_and_20
Rishuz #1914458 12/25/21 09:11 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,462
Likes: 12
B
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,462
Likes: 12
Originally Posted by Rishuz
The Browns fortunes, and culture, won't change until we get our Rodgers.

Aikman lamented consistently throughout the telecast that the difference in winning and losing is the routine plays that Baker just didn't make. If he connects with Njoku two plays before the pick, you're in FG range.

There's two things going on with Baker...he either doesn't work hard enough in the off season / isn't working on the right things or he just doesn't have it between the ears.

The problem is unless you are in a position to draft Ridder, you're stuck with Baker. Rodgers and Wilson are not coming to Cleveland. Watson does not fit the culture here.

Now let's hear how it's everyone else's fault but Baker's.

The 1st int.It looked like the packers were playing man under with a free safety.Any HS QB worth his salt knows not to throw deep middle against that defense.Landry,I believe,was running a crossing route and was wide open for at least a 15 yard gain.
An inaccurate QB,who doesn't read defenses well,is not a good QB.


Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
BCbrownie #1914459 12/25/21 09:14 PM
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,708
Likes: 392
Yes, the play should have been to Landry.

It's tough. You draft a guy number one overall he's supposed to be the guy for 15 years.

Now it's back to the drawing board.

Ballpeen #1914460 12/25/21 09:14 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,084
Likes: 290
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,084
Likes: 290
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
"How to Blow It", by Baker Mayfield.

In his defense, he didn't get in much work and there was a hold on that last pass....but still.


Wasn't able to watch or listen to the game, although able to listen to the pressers. Baker himself says he's a NFL quarter back and he needs to make those plays.

Sounds like the team didn't quit ! lost by 2. Yes they need to get these kind of wins. I think this team will be a lot better next year. Defense holds the Packers to a FG in the 2nd half is a heck of an accomplishment.

A team riddled with injuries and covid , it has to be a miracle they have 7 wins...

How ya all feel if they win out now ! smile

Swish #1914461 12/25/21 09:14 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,571
Likes: 507
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,571
Likes: 507
Give us any other QB (just about) in the NFL and we win the game. We outplayed them up front and the defense was good considering. Our run game was astonishing. Our QB was freaking garbage.

My biggest gripe:

- 1st and 10 at midfield with 1:00 on the clock and 3 timeouts … and we didnt run it PLUS chubb wasn’t even in the game. That’s unacceptable IMO


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Page 1 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2021 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 22 Packers 24 Post game.

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5