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If I am ATL, there’s no way I’m doing that deal for Hunt. A 27 year old back when the season starts that’s been out quite a few games because of injuries. If I’m a GM, I’m confident knowing he wouldn’t last the whole year as a lead back. His NFL time is almost done regarding RBs
D. Johnson is 26, I wouldn’t take him either for Ridley. I might pause a moment if a 2-3 rounder was added to the deal, just because Johnson has less wear n tear. Either way, If I’m trading for a back he better be young with possible potential.

WRs longevity can go into their 30s. If/when Ridley comes back he would be more valuable paired with Pitts. If they are that desperate, bring in a retread RB or draft one in the second where they tend to be drafted.

You’ve said the draft is a gamble a couple times. You aren’t wrong at all, but as a GM you still need to be confident in your scouts, staff, and your evaluations in picking players that fit your coaches system. While knowing there’s a high chance there not going to be playing at an All-pro level out the gate.

I do want to clarify I do like Hunt and Johnson for us. They definitely have great value for our team. I just don’t see the return value in trading them as significant value.

That is usually not how trades work in the NFL.

Trading Hunt would be foolish. We aren’t doing that, just signed him to an extension. Hooper I’d be good with trading, but as others said, who else would want him?

How do NFL trades work statboy?

What CFRS said. Trades usually don’t work that way.

I get he’s rumored. I saw an article on that. But just going off my post, why would you do that if you are Atlanta ? You brought up Hooper, they have Kyle Pitts who had a great rookie year.

I do agree about checking if he’s available.

Didn't Hooper play at Atlanta before we signed him? After two really good seasons they decided to not sign him and let him walk as a free agent. After two seasons of drops, stumbles, and 0 YAC I do not see them thinking they made a mistake in letting him move on and take him back.

Ah, what you said is the whole point here - "You’ve said the draft is a gamble a couple times. You aren’t wrong at all, but as a GM you still need to be confident in your scouts, staff, and your evaluations in picking players that fit your coach's system. While knowing there’s a high chance there not going to be playing at an All-pro level out the gate."


All the players that keep being mentioned in this forum are not "players that fit your coach's system" - they are players that have produced in other systems (like Hooper) that are not and will not be used to their skill set in Cleveland. I just watched Cincinnati stay the course playing to their QB's skill set even after being sacked 9 times to win at Tennessee. That entire team is built to what Burrow and his receiver set can do best. I watched Tennessee have its run scheme stopped and inability to win with adjustments. I watched a much better LARams team crawl into its cocoon after dominating for 3 quarters trying to run out the clock against a QB known for 2 decades of coming back against teams that try to run out the clock. I watched a SFO team where we have posters drooling over the fact that their QB is now in the championship game that just put up one of the worst performances by a QB in the playoffs whose team just won a playoff game because the GBP's special teams handed them 7 points on a blocked punt and a missed 3 points on a blocked field goal just before the half. In what was one of the greatest games ever played - I watched KCC and Buffalo show why you build your teams to the skill set of your players as they scored 25 points in the last 1:55 of the 4th quarter. Not in your lifetime will you ever see a Stefanski led team put up that type of production with his scheme. If the AFC Championship is going to go through Cincinnati, KCC, Buffalo, LAC or Las Vegas then you better be able to score with them - which at this point we are not even close. Don't even attempt to talk about having a defense to stop them because Buffalo was the NFL top defense this season and couldn't slow down KCC. You have to be able to adjust and score with them which at present the Browns absolutely cannot!

There are about 7-10 teams that play to their players skillsets and always seem to be winning and/or in the playoffs. The balance have players trying to play to their coach's scheme. We have a team that is based on a coach's scheme not the players skill sets and that will always give you inconsistency which is what we have in Cleveland. Getting a Ridley, Williams, or even Adams for that point does not fix the Browns offense if it's not built to enhance their skill set. As of today - not going to happen in Cleveland with a Stefanski offensive scheme.

Haven't seen him adapt yet, teams are putting 8 in the box and he still tried to run the 3 TE scheme - almost 19% of all offensive plays and an additional 21% of the total plays with a 2 TE set. That is not adapting to your players - that's forcing a scheme. As far as Shanahan goes, if Jimmy G was so good in the scheme, he wouldn't be so hell bent on replacing him. The 49ers are not winning because of Jimmy G, they are winning in spite of Jimmy G with a top-rated defense. Jimmy G being available during the off season should tell you all you need to know about him running Shanahan's scheme. Jimmy G has also missed 34 of 81 games (41.9%) the last 5-years so he can officially be labeled as a fragile QB.

I don't know man. I am not sure Hunt is more valuable or not. I guess it depends on which of Hunt or Johnson we can sign for another 3-4 years to spell chubb. I agree with Bone in that I think Johnson is the guy we want to sign long term. He has looked pretty darn good when we have had to lean on him.

Much like how parts of Baker's game this year stands on its own (namely the hesitation and not finding open receivers), I don't know how anyone can look at JimmyG's last game and say they want that guy. Yes, he is playing for a trip to the SB, but Big Ben also made the playoffs.

They've got a mostly-healthy Oline, their playmakers are getting/staying hot, and Shanny runs circles around KS in terms of playcalling. If anything, Jimmy almost gave the game away.

As someone who was hot on the Jimmy G train when he went to 49ers - and since - I agree with this last post. I think a healthy Baker outperforms Jimmy G at this point.

It's a tough analysis. JimmyG's downward trend was started by a bunch of injuries. I can see why people would gravitate to his name when looking for upgrades to Baker (very similar system, probably available, has exhibited traits that we are probably looking for in a QB). But (imo) if you decide you have to give up assets to upgrade from Baker, and then apply those same criteria to JG, then he only seems to be a marginal (at best) upgrade to the position. Is that really all we're going for?

If anything the 49ers winning shows you can succeed in the playoffs with a crappy QB and the scheme we run (and a great defensive performance).

Read the rest of what he wrote and don't stop at the first sentence. It's valid because it speaks to how people are looking at WR's with ga-ga numbers and failing to recognize that they will NOT have those numbers here because they will NOT have those opportunities because this offense is NOT going to even try to get them the ball as often.
Then, Ridley is a head case in addition to the rest of that..... so, how and where does it ever make any sense to go after that guy?

Browns had the #5 defense...our QB is bottom 3 in jsut about everything.. pretty sure where the problem lies

Nobody is saying we don't need receivers - that's a given. However, trying to get FA's to come here with the knowledge your numbers are going to drop because of the play calling or scheme is not the type of carrot to dangle to convince a top tier WR to come to Cleveland. You might say to yourself that if it's enough money they will come. I say do we really want a player on the team that is more focused on the immediate money today instead of what his performance may get him in the future? Unless you're signing him to a 10-year contract, most of these players have 2-3 more contract in their future so selling all out for the dollar to Cleveland is not a smart move. Diggs seen it, OBJ seen it, Hooper is surely regretting his decision, Landry is having second thoughts and Mayfield is feeling the biggest betrayal.

AVP said the Browns do not have a good passing attack - who the hell is responsible for that? When you complain about Baker's footwork and mechanics, keep in mind that Stefanski has had almost 50% of his career as an Asst QB Coach and a QB Coach. Why the hell is Mayfield's mechanics and footwork not fixed?

Because Baker refuses to train with a QB coach in the off-season like all the other QBs?

If you can't find below average open WR's how is not being able to find better open WR's really going to help?

I would like to point out another thing about the draft and the value placed on picks. The Browns absorbed Brock Osweiler's $16 million contract for a second-round pick in the spring of 2019. The fans in general thought that was a wonderful idea. If that's the value placed on a second round pick, I have no idea why they would try to undervalue picks now.

So Alex Van Pelt doesn't count? They began working on his footwork and mechanics last February.

And the footwork got way better in 2020. And then bad again. I wonder if Tom Brady’s QB coach has to get on him about his footwork all the time.

Does anyone have the All-22?
Can someone look at his footwork before and after Weeks 1 & 2 and compare?
How was his footwork in the Chargers game? Though, that game was more about Sir Nicholas Chubb and 7.7 ypc, but Baker had success throwing, too.

I read an interesting article in Sports Illustrated last month. Yes, I still get the paper magazine. It was about footwork. Basically, it's in part over valued/rated.

well, that's inaccurate. footwork is very important when throwing a ball.

*precise footwork every single time is not important*

But, there are things within footwork that need to happen every time - for velocity and accuracy sake. the same thing is true with your hips and torso - certain things need to happen. But, not everything is perfect.

Well, I didn't write it.

Here: https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/16/cover-story-how-the-qb-evolution-sparked-a-coaching-revolution

Was this the article by chance? This was a good read about the evolution of the QB position, being creative as a QB, throwing off-platform, etc..

Another takeaway was just how many of these QBs spend their offseason (some even during the season) training with independent QB coaches to work on their mechanics and refining body movement to make those off-platform throws. Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Mahomes, Herbert, Fields and Lawrence to name a few mentioned in the article.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/16/cover-story-how-the-qb-evolution-sparked-a-coaching-revolution

Yes.

I just found it interesting when I read it last month.