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There was a time not so long ago that I would and did argue this point with you. Not anymore. I do like that you qualified it the way you did. I think accuracy and the ability to go through your reads is a higher priority in the grand scheme of things. But having the ability to scramble and run to a degree is also high on the list in today's NFL.


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That didn’t take long. Looks like it’s time to put a call into whoever is running the Jaguars.

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Interesting. People can have their opinion on Todd but he is serious about his job.

As soon as I looked at Malik Willis's tape. I felt he would be on those guys who would come up the draft Boards.

The reason is because potential is being graded higher than before. You can not look at a players tape today and judge them as is.

You have to forecast what he can become. That is not easy when you look at guys who are 20-23. They can and do make mistakes. They are far from finished products. What can this guy do if we can clean up his shortcomings?

That is why the 49ers gave up so much to get Trey Lance.

Kyle Murray is 5' 10" and 207lbs. He was taken number one because of his overall skills with mobility a huge factor.

Malik Willis is 6' 1" listed at 225lbs. He has the same type skills. Malik Willis is incredibly fast. In his sophomore year at Auburn Univeristy back in 2018, it was reported that he ran a 4.37 40 yard dash.

He also can spin it and has a quick release.

His tape shows sometime poor judgement. He had a 64.2% completion rate in 2020.

He will get picked apart for all kinds of things between now and the draft.

But people will look at the potential of the skills that can not be coached up.

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
There was a time not so long ago that I would and did argue this point with you. Not anymore. I do like that you qualified it the way you did. I think accuracy and the ability to go through your reads is a higher priority in the grand scheme of things. But having the ability to scramble and run to a degree is also high on the list in today's NFL.

I purposely set the number low so as not to freak people out. Since most QB's only run when the field is open in front of them they tend to gain yards in chunks. Being such, if they sort of think about running more, I could see a pretty easy 40-50 yards a game. QB's can still slide for protection. That type of yardage per game puts them around 800 yards per season. QB yardage doesn't take the same type of punishment running backs take.

At any rate, I want a QB who can be a threat with his legs and arm.


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The Browns most likely will select a wide receiver or DE.

Berry would have to be really taken by the player to draft a qb.

This year quarterback class is considered poor.

That is what they said in 2017 when we took Myles. Trubisky was taken second.

However, in that poor qb class.

Mahomes was taken 10th and Deshaun Watson was taken 12th.

I never buy into "this years class." Look at the players and judge them on their own merits.

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I think about Harrison Bryant. They really liked him, and when he dropped they pulled the trigger. I would think something similar would need to happen with the QB.


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You may well be right.

As of today when you look at the early mock drafts. Most drafts have the first quarterback taken after pick ten.

As we all have seen in the past. The Boards change quite a bit as each week passes and the draft process plays out.

Teams however go through their own process. Their Boards are not mock drafts they are rankings of players and positional rankings.

After the draft events like the Senior Bowl, Combine, and Pro Days. Teams bring in guys for private workouts.

Their evaluations may differ quite a bit from media picks and mock drafts.

Very difficult to know how the Browns will view the quarterbacks in this years draft.

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This morning this:

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2022/02/02/browns-mock-draft-malik-willis/

Funny how the draft world turns.

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This is an excellent film breakdown of Garrett Wilson.




Wilson has elite skills especially route running. This tape really shows how you create space.

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Good breakdown. He will blow up the Combine.

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How dumb are the Jaguars? It seems like they are pretty dumb. Maybe we won’t have to trade the standard three first to trade up to #1. Maybe we can just get away with 13 and next year’s first.

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I don't know if the Steelers would trade up.

But I will stand behind what I predicted.

That the Steelers will pick Willis if they get a crack at him.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
I don't know if the Steelers would trade up.

But I will stand behind what I predicted.

That the Steelers will pick Willis if they get a crack at him.

I think he’s going to be the first QB off the board. That means the only way you get him for sure is if you trade up to one. If you love a QB and don’t have a QB you should always trade up to get one if you can.

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You play the draft game.

You have to really believe in the guy to trade up.

I firmly believe and have stated it. Sometimes you have to take the risk knowing you could be wrong.

A calculated risk means you trust yourself and are willing.

I am not there yet on Willis.

But I stated clearly that if Berry loves Willis and believes he will be a big improvement at the position.

There is no reason why he should not take him.

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Originally Posted by cfrs15


How dumb are the Jaguars? It seems like they are pretty dumb. Maybe we won’t have to trade the standard three first to trade up to #1. Maybe we can just get away with 13 and next year’s first.


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I was talking to my son who is very football savy. Both of us were like; we have to find out about the other side of Malik Willis.

I watched his tape but have not heard him speak. Don't have a clue about his intangibles.

So. that is interesting. Interviews are huge. When you are in evaluation mode character, work ethic, leadership etc. those are major factors.

It is obvious Malik Willis has physical tools.

I am going to look around and see if I find out more on this part of him

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Originally Posted by Milk Man
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If any of those first three names are interior guys, we should be giving them a strong look.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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Malik Willis is going to be the first QB taken and will probably be taken first overall.

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I hope for his sake that he's not overdrafted and has expectations he can't handle put on him.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
I hope for his sake that he's not overdrafted and has expectations he can't handle put on him.

I have faith in Stefanski and AVP to develop him. He also has trained with a QB coach in the off-season so that should speed up his progress.

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I have zero faith we draft a QB in round one period.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I have zero faith we draft a QB in round one period.

That’s understandable. If a person thinks we should stick with Baker for another year then they should come to that conclusion. I am not that person.

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I watched an interview with him last year.

He appears very grounded and humble.

Knows he has much to learn.

Personally I am one who really believes in a rookie qb sitting a year. Unless you know you can not compete and the young man knows you will live with his mistakes. He is told do your best we will help you. You are starting because we want you to gain experience.

For those guys getting picked mid first or later. Let them sit. They could have come out early. Lack experience. Gone through a wirlwind of activity going through the draft process. Then thrown into a first year camp. You should not expect him to start.

Willis is raw. Played at a small school. He will need time.

He has the upside ceiling.

I have no idea at all if the Browns would take him.

My guess is no they will not. IMO they will take a DE or receiver.

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Originally Posted by cfrs15
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I have zero faith we draft a QB in round one period.

That’s understandable. If a person thinks we should stick with Baker for another year then they should come to that conclusion. I am not that person.

I think it far more depends on what you think the FO and coaching staff plans to do. It's true that we disagree on Baker being our QB next season. But I'm basing my opinion as to drafting a QB in round 1 this year on what I think the FO will do. I'm quite sure that neither of our opinions will be a part of their decision.


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Speak for yourself. Each of my posts is shown directly to Andrew Berry.

I believe the front office knows the importance of taking shots on QBs. Berry has said that he learned the most from Howie Roseman. Roseman’s philosophy is to keep taking shots at QBs until you find one. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we took a QB at 13 or traded up for a QB.

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So you think a first round draft pick on a QB is "taking a shot"? I see that as more of a huge investment. Giving up multiple first round draft picks to move up is much more than just taking a shot.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So you think a first round draft pick on a QB is "taking a shot"? I see that as more of a huge investment. Giving up multiple first round draft picks to move up is much more than just taking a shot.

By taking a shot I mean keep looking for a QB if you don’t have one instead of being complacent. Roseman traded a ton for Carson Wentz when he already had Sam Bradford. He then used a second round pick on Jalen Hurts when he already had Wentz. If the front office doesn’t think Baker Mayfield can be a quality starter going forward then I’d expect them to do something drastic. I don’t think they think Baker can be a quality starter going forward (despite what they have said publicly).

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I guess we'll find out in April.


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This is the beginning of the draft season. There is a long way to go.

The hype on Willis has begun. Lots will come out over the next months and up to draft night.

Will the Browns bring in someone to work out? There will be leaks.

Is it possible that Berry will draft a qb? Sure it is possible.

I will wait till at least sometime in April.

I do believe the Steelers will go after Willis. I believe they are looking for a guy like him. They want the run ability option. They want mobility.

One thing to bear in mind. Berry and this coaching staff expect to win. They will be expecting to be in the playoffs. They believe in the core talent.

One view may be invest to improve now. Use the draft to get supporting talent.

Another view maybe they don't expect to be picking 13th again anytime soon. Maybe go after a quarterback now.

What intersects those views is how they see a guy like Willis or another qb? If they go over the moon on Willis. They damn sure may take him.

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Free agency will be interesting.

We have some decisions to make. Of the UFA IMO Berry will make offers to:

Clowney, Walker, Njoku, McKinley (if he clears a medical and be ready to start the season), MJ Stewart.

Impossible to say if they return. But, I think Njoku and Walker will return. I hope Clowney will but not sure at all. Berry will have to be high bid.

I wonder if the Browns will make an offer for Sheldon Richardson who is UFA?

IMO they will go hard after a veteran receiver like Chris Godwin.

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Malik Willis is a better prospect than Lamar Jackson was coming out of college.

https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/malik-willis-draft/

I have watched a bunch of his tape not just highlights.

If Berry is sold on him. I have no problem drafting him.

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I have no problem drafting a QB that could (at least eventually) push Baker off the roster. I have a BIG problem sinking our entire draft into a QB. Neither our team, nor the draft is such that we should be sinking so much into one of the QBs.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
I have no problem drafting a QB that could (at least eventually) push Baker off the roster. I have a BIG problem sinking our entire draft into a QB. Neither our team, nor the draft is such that we should be sinking so much into one of the QBs.

We are literally a QB away from being a powerhouse.

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Originally Posted by cfrs15
We are literally a QB AND a few wide receivers away from being a powerhouse.

FIFY

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Originally Posted by SuperBrown
Originally Posted by cfrs15
We are literally a QB AND a few wide receivers away from being a powerhouse.

FIFY

I can understand how a person might have this opinion and won’t dispute it. I don’t think we have the best wide receivers but I think the ones we do have are adequate.

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Don't forget DT.


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