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I don’t like it, but Odell won. He spent two and a half years here that derailed a potential Hall of Fame career because the quarterback could not find him on the field. He forced his way out, found a QB who knew how to get him the ball, and now he has a ring. He can make a good case the problem was never him.
We’re talking about rebuilding our WR room with a top draft pick and maybe a big free agent, but you have to wonder if Baker will find “chemistry” with whomever we bring in. I know we all hope so.

Interesting take.. I was under the impression it was the opposite.

At least Jarvis and Myles came and supported OBJ.

So far I didn't see anyone coming on the defense of Baker, I actually think that its going to be a problem if this guys come in next year and see Baker still there...

Why do you think Chubb and Myles have Baker's back... the guy has multiple times implied he was the one who changed the culture of the team, the one that took them to the playoffs... Imagine how does that sit with the guys that actually did it.

Bone told me all i did was imply. i guess Wilson Jr is doing the same thing, right, Bone?

If Kyler ever starts free lancing with his throws he will be cut just like OBJ was. If Kyler throws the ball where he wants instead of where the receivers are supposed to be all the time, and his Daddy posts a video of Cardinal players missing blocks, or being covered on plays he would be dropped like a hot potato.

I saw that too. Newsome has said a whole bunch of similar stuff. Higgins and Njoku throw love his way all the time.

I'll just say I don't get it, and I'll leave it at that. The guy took a giant stinky dump on the team this year with the stone hands that magically went away when he went to LA, and the business decisions that gave way to unselfish play when he became a team's 2nd+ passing option. Dude's (allegedly) when crapping on the team since day 1.


But the thing I understand even less is fans like Pit that try to defend his every move on here. Dude took a giant dump on your team and you're defending their every move. I read a couple of Pit's posts on this thread and they sound like Collinsworth last night.

The ones who did got kicked out of the team, except for Kareem.

Myles was vocal about OBJ... and others were vocal about his wife tweets and comments.

By the way, the praises were mostly for his fighting spirit, nobody was much upset for not giving him the new contract..

"nobody was much upset for not giving him the new contract."

And you know this how?

j/c...

You're starting to sound like those who are only willing to look at one side of the coin. Football isn't your career. Anyone willing to look at it from that perspective may have the ability to be more objective. But let's not do that.

Yes, parents will defend their children when they feel they are being falsely blamed. Would all go as far as OBJ's dad did? Most likely not. But many certainly would. When you feel your child, no matter their age is being unfairly attacked, you kick into defense mode. I would hope that if I were in those shoes I would have handled the situation better. But in today's society where people post first and think later, it's certainly no surprise OBJ's dad reacted as he did. And people make up this was some kind of conspiracy between the two. Heck, his dad didn't even create the Tweet, he simply forwarded it. The fact is, no matter how hard some try to deny it, there was never a chemistry built between Baker and OBJ. And as I've stated the most TD's caught by any WR on the Browns last season was 3. I guess that's OBJ's fault too? All of our WR's were dropping the ball. Even Higgins who was once a security blanket for Baker. Landry's production also hit the skids. Now who do all of these WR's depend on for their production? It's not OBJ. But let's single him out and ignore everyone else.

But yeah, let's ignore all of that and focus on one guy. I guess if OBJ took a giant dump on this team so did every WR on the roster. If I were OBJ I would have wanted out of this mess too. As much as you wish to deny it, OBJ's value was taking a giant hit the longer he played here. An NFL career only lasts so long. But let's ignore all of that and make OBJ the fall guy. Everyone looks for a sacrificial lamb. It looks like you have joined the crowd that found one.

Let’s also be sure to ignore the comment Von Miller made about Odell telling him not to come to Cleveland even before the 2021 season began? Also Odell was dropping passes from the backup QB as well. Shall we ignore that? Stack that on top of Odell refusing to show up after he was traded to “get his head right”. Essentially missing any chance to gel with the team. I realize there wasn’t much time with the Covid protocols but is it really so shocking they weren’t on the same page? This is a bunch of BS blown up by the media and Odell’s camp making it appear he was trying but the results said differently.

It seems you pay attention to what you want to and ignore the rest. Did you ever notice when everyone outside of Cleveland disagrees with the bulk of our fan base people blame on "the media" or "Odell's camp". They never consider that those who are not Browns fans have the ability to be more objective.

I'm going walk back that last paragraph (half step). I was annoyed about the talking heads rewriting history during the telecast. I singled you out because, for all your accusation of focusing on certain portions of the OBJ situation and ignoring others, you're doing the same (IMO). That said, today has taken a turn for the weird and now that I care far less about the Superbowl last night, that last part of that last post of mine sounds really childish.


I said before I don't understand the situation and don't understand our players' reactions to it. Here is what I do know.

-OBJ has wanted out at least since end of last season (playoff win and offense going on a tear), if not since (allegedly) the offseason he was traded here
-OBJ had a bad issue with dropping easy passes until he arrived in LA
-Talk of OBJ's injuries magically went away once he got to LA (was on injury report 1st week, then got rest w/o injury designation the next week and then never appears again)
-He may not have been behind the video, but he also never said one single peep about it afterwards. He still hasn't talked to Baker, and never addressed anything. He's had plenty of opportunity to say something about the video and his exit. He's chosen not to.

You have to admit... that's a LOT of smoke... even when you take out the unconfirmed and made up Twitter stuff. Still a ton of smoke (too much, IMO).

So yeah... this time without the drama and finger-pointing and anger and stuff... I don't understand how you want to defend the guy on this board all day.

Damn. My bad.

Baker Mayfield Got Roasted For No Reason After Fake IG Post Blasting Odell Goes Viral (PIC + TWEETS)

https://www.totalprosports.com/2022...st-blasting-odell-goes-viral-pic-tweets/

Looks like a lot of people bought it.

You'd think people would be familiar with the social media apps that they take issue with. No blue check mark, no Baker Mayfield.

Maybe we can get him back on a one year prove it deal.

Having Jarvis Landry will be a great selling point, too!

He and Baker worked out together during the off-season when he was with Giants too!

Maybe he’ll bring Von Miller with him!

If we have Jarvis.

Are there any homes for sale in Strongsville?

j/c

If OBJ had a pre-first name of Mike, Mark, Mary etc...he could go by M.odell Beckham. Odd.

Old
Broken
Joint


His knee is toast.

True. I'm not quite sure how that makes him a bad guy.


True. So did every other WR on the Browns roster. Something isn't right with the entire WR unit. Even the once sure handed Higgins wasn't reliable. Some people wish to isolate the issue to OBJ when in fact it was systemic. Often times we've seen a change of scenery for players do them a world of good. Anyone who watched this season knows both Landry and Higgins were not themselves either. Neither was OBJ. We need to figure out why this was happening across the board instead of playing the blame game. OBJ is gone and this happened the entire season even after he was gone.


The coaches make the injury list, not the players. The impact of that was zero. He started and played all of his last six games here and what was written on the injury report by the coaching staff had no impact on that.


So now you think OBJ should speak out against his dad? He is playing for his third NFL team. He has one dad. This is ridiculous. Baker said he would like to talk to OBJ. Baker has a phone. Connecting dots is one thing. Creating dots to connect is another.


Damp leaves create smoke. Points you consider something of importance are actually nothing more than damp leaves which one could use their imagination to try and paint a certain picture.

I mean do you really think, "yeah but he didn't call Baker" and "Yeah but he didn't diss his dad" are anything of substance? Or, "yeah but the Rams coaching staff decided not to list OBJ on their injury list", when OBJ was starting every game during that time means anything? Really?

After watching him the last half of the season he would be an upgrade to any WR we have on the roster. Great idea!

Higgens was toast once other teams realized he could only get open in zone. When they covered him man to man he couldn't get open. The Browns new this a few years ago, but the general public has no, zero, zilch idea. Ahhh life in the NFL.

I never, ever, would have noticed this.

Which this begs the question: how could you force a defense to go into Zone?


Like, is this something we could have worked with?

Tearing the same ACL twice affects you physically but I would image a lot more psychologically.

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You need to ask somebody who is way smarter than me about the x's and o's of the game for that answer. I was just reporting info that was given to me.

My guess is if the other team's players can consistently beat your players 1 on 1, a zone will at least provide some help, especially deep, preventing gash plays. It also makes it easier to defend a running QB. Players in a zone don't usually turn their back on the QB to run with a player. Generally, they "slide" inside their zone assignment and don't leave until they see the ball released before releasing to chase the ball.

I think defenses use zone D to compensate for a perceived "weak link" in their pass coverage. Sometimes its because a DB is not starter quality and lacks man skills, or it might be because of mismatches due to a WR or TE being such superior ability. Sometimes defenses deploy a disguised zone to confuse an inexperienced or recognition-deficient QB. Ideally though, I would think teams prefer to play man D.

jc

if we can find a way to keep jarvis, i think Baker needs a different weapon on the other side. he has good TEs, but he really needs a big body WR to throw to. it makes me so mad at this dude, cause i swear we would all be having a totally different convo if it was Josh Gordon/Landry instead of OBJ/Landry. or at least if Calloway kept his head on straight.

somebody who's similar to an Andre Johnson type.

You (we) want Treylon Burks, Arkansas

Cast out of the exact same mold.

6'3" (same)

225-230 (same)

4.3- 4.4 speed (faster)

Just as angry
Just as tough

We'll need to special-order some size 5XL gloves to put in front of his Nick Chubb stiff-arm.