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We never half ass funding wars. Whether we need them all or not. So you think spending 715 billion on defense is a good thing? It sounds as if you should start paying the bulk of the bills for other families and then get back to me on how fair and right that is.

You sound like OCD right now.

Good lord man. We have the biggest budget and it’s not spent efficiently. We have the money to invest in infrastructure but we don’t prioritize it

That’s what I mean by half-assed. We’re always one foot in, one foot out with anything we do lately.

And you damn right we half assed the wars. If we didn’t, we wouldn’t had spent 20 years there. The mission in the Middle East constantly changed cause our leaders didn’t know what to do and got played by the wealthy.

We keep claiming we need to invest in our infrastructure, but there’s always some reason why the bill can’t get passed.

America does nothing but virtue signal lately. Crap is lame.

I'm never going to agree with global war welfare.

Weren't you the same person complaining about the War Industrial Complex?

And I don’t believe and taking crap that doesn’t belong to you. Which is what Putin is doing.

Yes. That does not equate to being against military action.

By the way, I’m only saying we go hard in the paint if they invade. I’m not suggesting a preemptive strike.

The only place we disagree is that I'm not for being responsible for every time someone starts taking people's stuff. There are 30 nations who are members of NATO. Not one. Everyone of those nations should be doing their part.

Isn't Russia already shelling Ukraine?

Are they? If you’ve heard something, post a link.

Here:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-volatile-east-day-shelling-085013805.html

The pro Russian rebels. Again, when Putin gives the order, that’s when things get busy.

Im still worried more about an attack coming from the Middle East or Black Sea region, the build up along the border being mostly a decoy.

In today’s warfare, a cyber attack has to happen first before a full scale invasion. Anything else would be completely stupid.

I never disagreed with that.

But I’m not gonna stop doing the right thing because one or two countries within NATO are hesitating. Nor have I implied ignoring all the other geopolitical concerns that come with this for other countries.

I’ve maintained my stance that unless Putin invades, it’s just another dance. But if he attacks, we can’t just stop at defending Ukraine. Clowns like him won’t stop there. Ukraine is a huge aspect of his Soviet era dream, but it isn’t the only one.

Didn't even think about the cyber attacks! What if all these attacks in the past years were just practice?

bro NATO and the pentagon has been telling us for years that cyber warfare is the new battleground. this is why Russia is always at the forefront over China. China is economic warfare from the american perspective. its why Russia is still our biggest national security threat, cause they're an actual threat to our allies way of life, nevermind ours. look what the Kremlin pulled off with a big ass network of internet trolls. they created levels of chaos in 2016 that a physical military strike would have a hard time competing with. Putin has been doing cyber attacks and espionage for years on the web. Russia has constantly been trying to hack banking industries in europe, and funding troll farms to spread propaganda on the internet. he's part of the reason you see some right wing uprisings across europe.

but we still dont associate that with actual attacks as a society yet. and we need to because warfare and everything else has gone digital. tanks and soldiers arent gonna threaten people who are inside the crib on the internet. why do i need tanks when i can just shut down your grid? thats far more devastating than rolling in brigades worth of troops, and far more efficient. and cyber attacks make physical attacks easier. disrupt your communication network and launch an physical attack from the southeast across the black sea.

this is why the situation in Georgia is bad. its a craphole country no one cares about, but it has a huge strategical use for military movement. This is why he spends so much time trying to build relations in the middle east. its also why Crimea is so important. Roll up in bulgaria and romania and face less resistance. build a relationship with Turkey, a NATO "member", and now you have a whole country that might look the other way if you launch an attack. OR use that as a backdrop to run up in the kurdish areas, and possibly greece. organized chaos.

the kremlin has already been successful in hacking banking and government systems of some eastern european countries, as well as attempts with our closer allies in western europe. that is an act of war, yet we're so woefully behind on cybersecurity and global communication that far too many people around the world don't treat that as a life threatening action.

who needs nukes when you can shut down the entire grid?

Russia needs the natural gas pipeline that passes through Ukraine to sell to Germany. Don’t forget that fact.

Good stuff Swish

Well Germany seem to play both sides of the coin on this and have their own Pipeline to Russian gas. I believe this is impacting their commitment regards unified NATO backing of a response to any Ukraine invasion.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...s-nord-steam-2-and-why-is-it-contentious

https://www.reuters.com/business/en...lp-russia-dodge-us-sanctions-2022-02-10/

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...as-pipeline-becomes-a-geopolitical-lever

This. It's not policing the world, it's not regime change and trying to support one crackpot regime over a different crackpot regime, it's not coming to the defense of an ally in a situation that isn't directly tied to the USA. This impacts the globe and very much the USA.

Speaking to the wrong group Swish. Most of America is like this including our leaders

J/C

So we’ve gone from arguing about Baker to if we should/shouldn’t invade Russia if they invade Ukraine? What’s going on? Is everyone nihilistic and itching for global thermonuclear war?

This sabrerattling of “will he/won’t he” is classic Putin. There was a good documentary by the BBC back in the 2010s called HyperNormalisation. Essentially part of it talked about how Putin just loved to throw out disinformation to keep people at unease. This is essentially what is happening, just look at the stock market, and the constant headlines of “will they/won’t they invade”. Now he’s taking it to physical actions, and he’s loving the chaos he is sowing.

Putin is not going to risk the wealth he has personally accumulated over what is essentially a urinating spectacle. He’s arguably the richest individual on the planet.

Ukraine needs to figure it out. I’m not risking American boots and full blown nuclear war over Putin’s posturing.

Oh come on. You’re seriously stanning for an autocratic republic that pays their citizens dirt, restricts access to knowledge, commits genocide, and is a leader in global pollution that is directly responsible for global warming. What is your deal?

Appreciate the clarification

Like what, exactly? Be specific.

And which leaders are you talking about? The ones that talk tough, draw red lines and don't do anything about it? Or the ones that draft up a withdrawal plan with the enemy, without our ally that we installed participating in talks... after abandoning the Kurds in Syria? Or is it the ones that stuck our noses everywhere on the globe and left it there with no plan or realistic endgame?

So unless we created NATO in the same way we set up a new government in Afghanistan, then we should fulfill our responsibility in supporting NATO, and have them in the best position to defend their own backyards.

Putin holding a few million Ukrainians hostage for NATO to keep out. Mmmm. Sounds like international terrorism to me.

Who said we should invade Russia?

What happened. We know that 5-7 days ago Kamala Harris, went to Poland to... work with this Russia +Ukraine situation, that has been reported, that is not in dispute.
So, seems to me, Kamala Harris, whomever she represents, whether it is a position of weakness to whichever foreign power,
It seems like, Kamala Harris negotiated terms of surr, terms of giving up whatever, to buy off Putins army,
for the moment.
Peace through appeasement, How did it work for Chamberlain, in the 1940s, that is what seems to have happened, for the moment.

Would you care to show us any evidence of that?

Well Russian troops rolled in to separatist controlled areas of Ukraine and Putin gives a fiery speech suggesting Ukraine doesn't have a history of self governance. Fun times.

Jc

Shout out to all my fellow American men -regardless of race- who could be posted up in Ukraine with a future permanent base out there.

I hear the women fine as hell and are highly educated. Can’t wait to see a McDonald’s serving vodka like the McDonald’s that served beer when in was in Germany.

And thank god Purp isn’t in the navy. I can’t imagine naval service members docking off the Black Sea in Ukraine. All kinds of babies with dual passports.

j/c:


Dirty.

It's my duty as a responsible international citizen of this world.

Plus, I'm directly descended from Saint Olga of Kiev and Vladimir the Great, so it's just familial duty.

God knows the sacrifice you're making by stepping up to the plate. A very admirable quality.

Well, the good news is that Binden should have learned from the last Russian invasion while he was in office.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-praises-putins-genius-incursion-into-ukraine-234001858.html

I know I shouldn’t be shocked, but I am.

Inconceivable.

Really?
Inconceivable?
Are you sure about that word usage?

WTF have you been these last 10 years?
Have you not heard of this guy before?

As President of The United States of America, this- "person" sat in front of the entire world on a stage in Helsinki, Finland... and punk'd his nation's entire intelligence community in favor of that a short, pasty, ex-KGB autocratic boss of a second-rate almost-world player.

These comments should have come as no surprise to anyone.

One man's "inconceivable" is another man's "totally predictable," I suppose-


Language can be a funny thing.

have you LISTENED to his comments, or just read them?

In just reading them, it sounds terrible, obviously.

In LISTENING (that spelled right?), it is obvious there is sarcasm. With an open mind (and I know trump haters can't do this), LISTEN to his words, don't read them.

He's saying basically putin was genius for going around accepted rule of nations by saying "we are going in to the independent areas as an act of ...

But I know.............not one damn thing trump has ever done matters to the haters. Is trump a good person? No, by his personal life.

ahh, so we're back to the old excuses/variants of "he was joking"

imagine not being able to take a president/former president seriously because he can't be taken seriously.

imagine voting for somebody like that. twice.

Anyways,

Even Germany had to finally jump off the fence and take a position after Putin’s latest moves. I wonder how far Putin is willing to go with this. What’s that follow through look like?

He’s already having the opposite effect of what he’s trying to gain. Now we have Finland considering to join NATO after years of wanting to stay neutral.

Hope that follow through is perfect, Putin. The world won’t leave your country alone like the last time Russia collapsed under its own weight. That pipeline Germany needs will get certified; they’ll just be in charge of it in the future.

Have you LISTENED to his words, or just read them on the mainstream media?