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Malik went to high school 10 minutes from my home.

I really like this young man. I sure hope he does not go to the Steelers.

If a team has patience and brings him along with a detailed plan. He could be great. He has a lot to learn about coverages and reads.

But all that he needs really is experience and good coaching. He is somewhere between Murray and Watson.

I doubt the Browns will take him if he is there at 13.

We are in a win now mode. Malik is an investment. He is not ready to start. I believe they want immediate return in the first and second round.

This is where I have no clue about Berry and his thoughts on the qb's in this draft.

It will be interesting to find out later if we bring someone in for a workout in Berea.

Pickett or Malik will most likely be the first qb taken.

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Love seeing that. But I do not wish to draft him.


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I’d trade up to get Willis.

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Originally Posted by cfrs15
I’d trade up to get Willis.
You would have traded five first round picks for Mike White last year at one point.
You may have been joking. But your list of whose better than Baker includes ... everyone.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
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I’d trade up to get Willis.
You would have traded five first round picks for Mike White last year at one point.
You may have been joking. But your list of whose better than Baker includes ... everyone.

It literally doesn’t.

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I made this predication a while back and I still stand by it.

Malik Willis gets drafted #2 overall by the Detroit Lions.
Perfect situation. A team building up from the depths, Goff to be the veteran Qb for a year allowing Willis to sit and and learn, along with time and assets to build the Oline and Wr corp.


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He is a very talented guy.

Fantastic athlete. Big arm, fast, built solid, excellent runner.

What will make or break Malik is how he adjusts to the pro game.

You have to play from the pocket. I know he can play off script. But at some point you have to read and throw guys open.

Know where to go with the ball and be accurate.

I have this bad feeling that a few years will go by and we will going damn we should have taken him. I see the risk. I know he will need time.

But I like his make up and his enormous potential.

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Take Cole Kelly after trading back into the 2nd round. This kid is Josh Allen like.

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Sorry all you Baker doubters we aren't drafting a QB in the first 2 days of the draft, I could see us take a flyer on a young QB in the 5th rd. or later, but not rounds 1-3 ... JMO


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Not a Baker doubter, buddy.

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Originally Posted by Hammer
Not a Baker doubter, buddy.

Thats good, I just don't see us wasting a high pick on a QB when we have a chance to add a solid starter or two to a team ready to win now ...

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Originally Posted by Jester
I made this predication a while back and I still stand by it.

Malik Willis gets drafted #2 overall by the Detroit Lions.
Perfect situation. A team building up from the depths, Goff to be the veteran Qb for a year allowing Willis to sit and and learn, along with time and assets to build the Oline and Wr corp.

This makes a lot of sense.


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Thats good, I just don't see us wasting a high pick on a QB when we have a chance to add a solid starter or two to a team ready to win now ...


"High" pick, when talking about QBs, is a totally different animal. If we are going to cut Keenum to save money (we should), then we are in the market for at least 1 QB. We have 1 dude on the roster, and I think our 3rd should come from the draft.


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Timing is everything, it just is not good timing for Malik and the Browns. We got our Franchise QB time to give him some blue chip WRs to depend on.

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I think Baker is our guy 2022 and if he performs like I believe he will - he will be signed to a 4-5 year contract.

I think Willis will be gone before we draft at 13.

BUT -- if Berry and KS decide they think Willis is the next Mahomes/Allen/Herbert .... and he is there at 13. I don't think they would hesitate.


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I haven't watched a whole bunch of him but I don't get the hype. I've seen the accuracy stats, which aren't the end-all, but he is at or near the bottom in most of them. His teammates could have been the reason.


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I tend to like accuracy - it's why I would never would have drafted Josh Allen. QB's do not get more accurate in the NFL - with the exception of very very few. But this trend of athletic QB's is a thing, Willis is getting a lot of play as a top pick. Who knows. In my post above, you can simply swap any QB in there - if Berry or KS (well I guess both) feel there is a legit FQB there at 13 - I would think they will draft him if they have ANY doubts about Baker.


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'Someone raised this young man the right way': College football QB, 22, becomes a viral sensation after he was filmed giving a homeless pregnant woman new clothing from his own suitcase after NFL Draft event

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...ness-homeless-woman-captured-camera.html

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I hope he doesn't end up in pittsburgh.


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They will have to move up to get him - like before Washington, possibly Denver.

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Originally Posted by Hammer
They will have to move up to get him - like before Washington, possibly Denver.

Hopefully the QB hype train is in full swing and we'll end up seeing at least 2 taken before our pick at 13.... or someone will want to trade with us at 13 to get one.


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Just remember, when QBs go early, really good players slide. We might want to sit at 13 for great value on a pick.

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Originally Posted by GMdawg
I hope he doesn't end up in pittsburgh.


Why he is an average QB being pushed up the draft board because of NFL QB hungry teams ...


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In your opinion. I think he has a chance to do very well in the nfl. Im not saying he will or won't but hr is very talented and could give us trouble for years and i sure as heck don't want that to happen.


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I mentioned a plan for Willis and patience. He is not ready to start in the NFL.

He was not asked to do much at Liberty. Here is a schemed throw. If open throw it. If not make a play.

He was not asked to make plays from the pocket. He will need to learn NFL route concepts and reading post snap.

That is a steep curve. He is not ready.

Pickett could run a NFL offense. He does all things well. He does nothing exceptional.

Of the rest I like Ridder. He has pocket awareness. He can slide and reset his feet quickly. I love his feet. He has a live arm. Not a gun but good.
He is moble but he looks to throw from the pocket. He is an athlete. I think he will add weight to a smallish 6'3" frame.
His accuracy can be good. But he is inconsistent in ball placement. I think he can develop. There are good things that can be worked on to refine.


Willis will get the hype but he has much to learn.

I don't know where Ridder will go? He is not a first rounder. I see him as a second or third round guy with good potential.

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Originally Posted by mgh888
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They will have to move up to get him - like before Washington, possibly Denver.

Hopefully the QB hype train is in full swing and we'll end up seeing at least 2 taken before our pick at 13.... or someone will want to trade with us at 13 to get one.


That brings up a great question. If the Steelers called the Browns on draft night and offered #20 and 2023 1st rounder for pick #13 to take their possible QB of the future. If you are GM do you take the trade? In this draft the pick you get at 13 and 20 will be fairly equal in talent so your not giving up much in terms of talent. So you would be a genius sliding 7 spots and still getting one of the top WR's and acquiring the 2023 1st rounder positions you to make a move for your own QB in 2023 if Mayfield struggles again this year. But, if Willis ends up a Steeler for a decade plus and keeps them consistent playoff contenders that move will be talked about for well over 20 years.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
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They will have to move up to get him - like before Washington, possibly Denver.

Hopefully the QB hype train is in full swing and we'll end up seeing at least 2 taken before our pick at 13.... or someone will want to trade with us at 13 to get one.


That brings up a great question. If the Steelers called the Browns on draft night and offered #20 and 2023 1st rounder for pick #13 to take their possible QB of the future. If you are GM do you take the trade? In this draft the pick you get at 13 and 20 will be fairly equal in talent so your not giving up much in terms of talent. So you would be a genius sliding 7 spots and still getting one of the top WR's and acquiring the 2023 1st rounder positions you to make a move for your own QB in 2023 if Mayfield struggles again this year. But, if Willis ends up a Steeler for a decade plus and keeps them consistent playoff contenders that move will be talked about for well over 20 years.

You take the deal every time. Trust your evaluations, don’t worry about other teams.

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They will have to move up to get him - like before Washington, possibly Denver.

Hopefully the QB hype train is in full swing and we'll end up seeing at least 2 taken before our pick at 13.... or someone will want to trade with us at 13 to get one.


That brings up a great question. If the Steelers called the Browns on draft night and offered #20 and 2023 1st rounder for pick #13 to take their possible QB of the future. If you are GM do you take the trade? In this draft the pick you get at 13 and 20 will be fairly equal in talent so your not giving up much in terms of talent. So you would be a genius sliding 7 spots and still getting one of the top WR's and acquiring the 2023 1st rounder positions you to make a move for your own QB in 2023 if Mayfield struggles again this year. But, if Willis ends up a Steeler for a decade plus and keeps them consistent playoff contenders that move will be talked about for well over 20 years.

You take the deal every time. Trust your evaluations, don’t worry about other teams.

This. And as stated, every time.

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I know some teams or GM's won't trade in their own division. I think we have already seen Berry will do this, so it sounds like a good deal to me. As you said, do what you think is best for your team and don't worry about what other teams are doing.


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I know some teams or GM's won't trade in their own division. I think we have already seen Berry will do this, so it sounds like a good deal to me. As you said, do what you think is best for your team and don't worry about what other teams are doing.

I might try to squeeze a bit more out of it, but that is picking, I agree with your thought.


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If I were to trade with Pittsburgh I would want #20 their 2023 1st and this years 3rd or tell them to take a hike ...


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
That brings up a great question. If the Steelers called the Browns on draft night and offered #20 and 2023 1st rounder for pick #13 to take their possible QB of the future. If you are GM do you take the trade? In this draft the pick you get at 13 and 20 will be fairly equal in talent so your not giving up much in terms of talent. So you would be a genius sliding 7 spots and still getting one of the top WR's and acquiring the 2023 1st rounder positions you to make a move for your own QB in 2023 if Mayfield struggles again this year. But, if Willis ends up a Steeler for a decade plus and keeps them consistent playoff contenders that move will be talked about for well over 20 years.

That's a very good hypothetical situation to ponder. I don't think there's a one size fits all answer to it. There are varying factors to consider. First the Steelers are in our division. That doesn't mean I wouldn't make a trade with them, it just means I might hold out for a little more when trading within our own division.

Secondly, and most importantly is how this FO has Willis ranked and our teams scouting report on Willis. If you have a high evaluation on Willis and feel the odds are better than not you could be handing the Steelers a franchise QB, you don't make the trade. If your evaluation of Willis concludes he is more likely not to ever be a franchise QB, you pull the trigger every time. You have to trust the evaluation your draft team has an players.


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The Steelers have haskins. I think they will roll with him next year


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you think so? i dunno if Haskins would last until week one, tbh.

i think he's a bum. it would be nice if the steelers rolled with him, but unfortunately they might see it in training camp that he isn't gonna work.


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The Steelers have haskins. I think they will roll with him next year

Their GM, who will soon no longer be their GM, has said that Rudolph is currently the starter.

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Willis, Watson, or roll with Baker?

thats tough. Willis certainly has a higher ceiling than Baker. but in order to draft Willis, we would have to pick him at 13 or trade down. i think getting at 8-10 isn't that expensive, especially if we trade baker for assets beforehand, or during the draft.

Watson is proven, but has huge legal issues that makes his available highly questionable. Thats a huge risk, but with the biggest upside. we can make the argument that Watson is better than Burrow, making him the best QB in our division, top 4-5 in the conference. What will that cost? Will it be similar to the cost of trading for Wilson? maybe those picks + Baker will be enough for Watson.

or we roll with Baker and just try to strengthen everything around him, and pay + draft for a legit #1 receiver, and hope he proves to be the guy.


Willis needs work, but definitely not a project in today's league. having him sit for a year would be great, but if he was in a situation to start his rookie season, on a run dominate team like ours it wouldn't be the end of the world. he has a lot of raw talent, but do we have the coaching staff to develop him? But damn....i don't want to be stuck with a daniel jones situation. Dude really didn't play anybody. but there's added pressure of not falling behind in the QB race, especially if the steelers draft him.

i'd draft him if he falls to #13. potential QB of the future/fire up mayfield's ass/doesn't cost us much.

but bro has an absolute cannon and is accurate. i like his reckless play style. you can tame that without taking away from his overall talent. Arm is stronger, accuracy is there, has a gunslinger mentality, and is far more athletic. So this is Lamar with a better arm, or a top tier version of Tyler Huntley. but i wanna learn more about him because its difficult to project what players from lower conferences could potentially be.


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damn you know what kind of plays Stefanski can design and call with Willis? His physical style of play actually allows Stefanski to call more exotic plays just too keep the clock going. And his deep ball is gorgeous!!!!


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