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I agree. This is a good year to have extra mid round picks, which we do, We can stand pat and potentially get good players, or even move a pick or two and get another 2nd rounder.

Most teams know this so trading down might be hard, but I would do that if given the chance. I wouldn't mind that, get a 1st next year, or if the trade wasn't all that far, maybe a 2nd this year. I think the FO would push for a pick next year. We have shown that we like to stock future picks.

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It all depends who drops to us - there will be one heck of an elite football player there at #13.

Will somebody take a RB in the top 12? They would be good for us.
How man QBs will get take in the top 12. Hopefully a run starts early.

Olave has tremendous hands and good speed. But are we looking for size and create miss matches even with average speed?

What defensive player will drop to us???

Will the OTs dominate the draft early on ???
How good is Kellen Diesch? I'm thinking 4th, 5th round pick???

Man Penning looking better and better - I would love him for our RT.

WR, would Dotson be there in the 2nd round? Do we go all out.
Drake/Burks in the first then Dotson in the 2nd?



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No doubt lot's of questions that could impact the draft.


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Interesting comments from a WR under consideration for the Browns this year - about the Browns first round pick last year:

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/new...i-was-hands-down-the-toughest-cb-he-s-ev

David Bell didn't need much time to think of his response Thursday when he was asked to name the toughest defensive back he's ever faced.

"Greg Newsome, hands down," said Bell, a Purdue wide receiver at the NFL Combine who is likely to be drafted in the early rounds of the 2022 NFL draft. "He definitely gave me the most trouble."

Newsome was the Browns' first-round pick in 2021 after he became one of the best corners in the Big Ten at Northwestern, where he totaled 25 pass breakups in 21 games. He was a reliable defender in his rookie season with the Browns and tallied nine pass breakups in 12 games.


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Travon Walker.

At 6'5" and 272 pounds he is a perfect match set opposite Myles.

He moves so well. Has the body type of a 6'2" 255 lb linebacker.

He was really impressive in all the drills. Has great body control. Looks so easy for him.

He is going to be one hellava player. I hope we get him at 13.

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I think we should be prepared to trade up if we want Walker.

I don’t think our front office would like to trade up for a non-QB in the first round.

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Hoping to get some opinions from SEC fans and in particular Georgia fans:

Georgia had a really good defense this year. Removing which of the following players from that defense would have the biggest impact on it?

Jordan Davis
Traylon Walker
Devonte Wyatt
Nakobe Dean


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I agree we are not a trade up candidate.

As far as as Walker at 13. Where do the quarterbacks go? When do the receivers start falling.

Top ten teams get to pick the top guys at positions. So you hope they go after need.

That is where we could land Walker.

Then there are BPA guys like Kyle Hamilton. Who maybe the best in the draft but at a low priority position safety.

Really at 13 It would be hard to fail.

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I am a big Jordan Davis fan ! I believe we need at lest one Moutain in the middle ( Tackle ) . Don't know if Woods /Berry will ever get the kind of Middle LB I want , so enter Davis on the line .

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Originally Posted by waterdawg
I am a big Jordan Davis fan ! I believe we need at lest one Moutain in the middle ( Tackle ) . Don't know if Woods /Berry will ever get the kind of Middle LB I want , so enter Davis on the line .

Davis gives me Danny Shelton PTSD.

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Originally Posted by cfrs15
Originally Posted by waterdawg
I am a big Jordan Davis fan ! I believe we need at lest one Moutain in the middle ( Tackle ) . Don't know if Woods /Berry will ever get the kind of Middle LB I want , so enter Davis on the line .

Davis gives me Danny Shelton PTSD.

Say what you will about Shelton, but he led the league in JOPA (jumps on pile aggressively). No idea if that has any bearing on the Jordan Davis discussion.

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Two guys I like that are receivers that maybe there in the second Jahan Dotson and George Pickens.

Both guys catch the ball well, have speed, play like receivers should.

I am not all down on Burks because he ran 4.5. Watch him play. He takes balls away from people. He plays fast. He is strong.

Drake London will have his pro day.

Garrett Wilson looks like the complete package. He is a safe bet in the NFL. Way good at all things receivers do.

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If the draft is as top-heavy as people are saying, wouldn't it make sense to trade back into the 1st (especially near the end) for that 5th year option?


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I was under the impression it was more deep than top heavy. Also, I'm not sure the 5th year option is all that valuable. In theory it's great, but you've got the Kyler Murrays of the world clamoring for new contracts after year 3.

I think I'd rather have more round 2-5 picks than an extra 1st this go around. If it's the right extra 1st rounder that could change, but it is all about maximizing value.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
If the draft is as top-heavy as people are saying, wouldn't it make sense to trade back into the 1st (especially near the end) for that 5th year option?

The fifth year option is kind of overblown. Most of the time guys are getting extensions before the option year would kick in anyway.

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I'm also under the impression it's more deep than top heavy.


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That has definitely been the general consensus, thus far, but looking at the number of Elite RAS scores coming out of the Combine, I have to wonder a bit if it isn't actually top heavy AND deep.

I mean, there are names that a few weeks ago were being talked about as having issues who are putting up mind-blowing numbers. I guess we need someone to do a deeper evaluation of what all came out of the Combine.


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I think sometimes people value those combine numbers a lot more than I do. I mean those players didn't just develop those skills and times overnight. They had all of that while they were actually playing football. Game film shows you how those talents presented themselves on the field and to the game of football. Wowing me with drills, lifting weights and 40 times doesn't really impress me that much when you couldn't produce as good or better than players with that had poorer combine numbers.


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j/c - It happens every year - more now than ever before because the Combine has become such a huge marketed event.

The two players who I can remember shooting up draft boards based on the Combine who were/are studs in the NFL - Metcalf (WR) and Chris Johnson (RB). I'm no expert and my memory is suspect at the best of times so I am sure there are others - but I bet there are many more players drafted higher because of the Combine and subsequently busted than were successful.

In the past I think we have had Browns FO that might have drafted purely or skewed to SPARQ scores and athleticism. My impression is now that it's more balanced - and game play/tape and scouting reports are equally desirable as measurable explosiveness.


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Originally Posted by waterdawg
I am a big Jordan Davis fan ! I believe we need at lest one Moutain in the middle ( Tackle ) . Don't know if Woods /Berry will ever get the kind of Middle LB I want , so enter Davis on the line .

check this out ... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...er-combine-ol-and-edge-rushers-dominate/

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I don't know the stats and didn't watch the games - but on more than one scouting report/mock draft - Walker is listed as DL not Edge. It is mentioned that he can play inside. That might account for some of the discrepancy, but those are unflattering stats presented as they are.


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Originally Posted by cfrs15

Interesting that Hutchinson is 13th with 17% and Thibodeau is 17th at 17%


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Probably a tie and the list sorted weird.

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Almost certainly multiple players were tied at 17% and they were probably listed alphabetically.
Just thought it was funny/odd


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The combine is eye candy.

It is fun to see guys doing stuff without pads and helmets. What it does for me is make me go and look at guys on tape that I did not know.

When I watch tape you can see speed. You can see tell how game speed plays. Example is Treylon Burks.

Ok he ran a 4.55. That is ok nothing special. Watch the tape. He plays big and fast. He takes balls away from people. He looks like a player.

Wilson is a thoroughbred. He is just plain good. I did not expect him to run as fast as he did. If he had run 4.48 to 4.54 It would not have changed what I have seen him do.

The combine does leave an impression. The DE drills are good drills. You can see how the guy moves naturally. How smooth, balance, control, stop, take off, directional pursuit. How fluid or stiff they are.

It is a factor. But nothing replaces how they play on the field. Some players can get stuck with bad teams, poor coaching, distorted results.

George Pickens was hurt in the spring and came back late to play a few games.

I never heard of him. I watched him at the Combine. He looked like a big fast guy. He caught my attention. I watched his tape.

Damn he looks killer. He makes crazy catches. Has mad body control. I would take him in heartbeat.

I had seen Skyy Moore's name. That is all. I watched at the Combine. I was impressed. Looks like a player to me.
Strong but short. Quick and fast. Soft natural hands. He will be a good player.

The Combine is just a single part of a process.

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Agreed.

I had a funny thought today. We talk about what a good position we are in at #13. I think I can prove it - I think there is a list of at least 9 players who I would be happy with and they would be damn near top of class.

There are 4 elite DE - admittedly 2 are expected to go in the first 4 picks - but they still count. 1 DT (might be the most suspect one on the list). 1 LB. 1 Safety who might be the best player in the draft. A minimum of 2 WR (Wilson, London - that order). You might even add Olave and Burks to that list... if Williams is 100% cleared medically, he is definitely in the mix too. . . . . that's a ton of talent for us to choose from and every QB, OT and CB taken ahead of us only gives us more choice and more opportunity to drop down and still pick from this pool.

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First mock I have seen with the Browns tacking him ..

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Man, I never would have guessed that Cam would ever be viewed in such a light as a LT that has played well enough to get the franchise tag.


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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
Man, I never would have guessed that Cam would ever be viewed in such a light as a LT that has played well enough to get the franchise tag.

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j/c...

Dane Brugler mock draft 3.0 willynilly

13. Cleveland Browns — Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State
The Browns would be elated if no wide receiver is drafted in the top 12 picks, giving them the chance to pick their top-ranked player at arguably their largest position of need. Wilson, who clocked a 4.3 40-yard dash in Indianapolis, has only average size, but his ability to create space before and after the catch is what separates him in this class.

44. Cleveland Browns — Logan Hall, DL, Houston

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It sounds like this draft is such that the Browns can sit back and be confident that they can pick BPA and it'll be a difference-maker, at an area of need to boot. Really excited for this offseason to get going.


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Logan Hall was impressive at the Combine.

Have not watched his tape yet but I will.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
Logan Hall was impressive at the Combine.


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Just sent my rebuttal to DraftTek;
Just want to disagree some on you Browns selection …

@13 I prefer Burks over London
@44 I prefer Leal, DT over any Edge — unless it’s Logan Hall (if this happens, then change next to)
@78 NO QB this draft - here’s the Edge time, Sanders - (either of these DT's Mathis or Ridgeway)
@98 (comp) great choice, ILB Chenal
@106 No Trade -
@109 Pierce, WR
@117 Peevy, DT
@155 Eze, OT
@192 Hawkins, S
@221 No Trade
@222 either Dixon, WR, Brooks, ILB or Collier, S

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Question for anyone (sorry if this has been already discussed):

Of all the top WRs in the draft, who is most ‘NFL ready’?


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That is a bit of a trick question.

The reason is because I think to a degree it depends on the team taking the receiver.

What do they want him to do? What others are on the team? What kind of scheme do they run?

And of course who is the quarterback?

I do think that Garrett Wilson is the most complete receiver.

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I'm going to go with Chris Olave .. Guy is a blue collar , lunch bucket , day one starter .. I think he and Baker would light it up.

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