If Berry’s history is an indication we are going to sign a few more receivers on Monday.
What makes you think that? I know he has been aggressive with a couple of players during the tampering period, but none of them WR.
With the Cooper trade, I'd be surprised with any other major WR signings early on. Monday is when the big money is normally dished out. I can't see that being the WR spot for us.
That said, one player I think the Browns might go after is Will Fuller. He is (or was at one point) an analytics dream. Unfortunately, he has a MAJOR history with injuries. Maybe they get a discount after a few day is he isn't signed.
Plus, he has worked with Watson. Lol.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
If Berry’s history is an indication we are going to sign a few more receivers on Monday.
What makes you think that? I know he has been aggressive with a couple of players during the tampering period, but none of them WR.
With the Cooper trade, I'd be surprised with any other major WR signings early on. Monday is when the big money is normally dished out. I can't see that being the WR spot for us.
That said, one player I think the Browns might go after is Will Fuller. He is (or was at one point) an analytics dream. Unfortunately, he has a MAJOR history with injuries. Maybe they get a discount after a few day is he isn't signed.
Plus, he has worked with Watson. Lol.
I had the same name in my head.
Before the Cooper trade there was a little smoke around Christian Kirk.
Great clip. What stood out to me most is that he's not short and catches with BOTH hands. Hopefully he's not a diva like the last guy, who was horrible.
If Berry’s history is an indication we are going to sign a few more receivers on Monday.
What makes you think that? I know he has been aggressive with a couple of players during the tampering period, but none of them WR.
With the Cooper trade, I'd be surprised with any other major WR signings early on. Monday is when the big money is normally dished out. I can't see that being the WR spot for us.
In Berry’s two years with us he has focused his attention on two areas. The first year he focused on the offensive line and we signed Conklin. Last year the defensive backfield was the focus and we signed John Johnson and Troy Hill.
I would guess we end up signing a new guy for the slot at least on Monday.
My thinking is he has already addressed a big need in WR with Cooper. I also don't think a slot WR is an immediate need in FA from the jump and our focus in early negations with players/agents. That, and our current commitment to Njoku and Hooper.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
If Berry’s history is an indication we are going to sign a few more receivers on Monday.
What makes you think that? I know he has been aggressive with a couple of players during the tampering period, but none of them WR.
With the Cooper trade, I'd be surprised with any other major WR signings early on. Monday is when the big money is normally dished out. I can't see that being the WR spot for us.
In Berry’s two years with us he has focused his attention on two areas. The first year he focused on the offensive line and we signed Conklin. Last year the defensive backfield was the focus and we signed John Johnson and Troy Hill.
I would guess we end up signing a new guy for the slot at least on Monday.
My thinking is he has already addressed a big need in WR with Cooper. I also don't think a slot WR is an immediate need in FA from the jump and our focus in early negations with players/agents. That, and our current commitment to Njoku and Hooper.
Agreed.
Either way I would bet we sign some guys on one year deals as the off-season progresses.
Good move by Berry. Cooper is expensive, but is very productive. I am somewhat concerned that his production fell off quite a bit last year, with Prescott at QB for the entire season though. He can, essentially, be a 1 year rental, though, if that would turn out to be right for the team. I do think that Jarvis is gone as close to certainly gone as can be, following this move. I also believe that Cooper wil be an upgrade.
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If Berry’s history is an indication we are going to sign a few more receivers on Monday.
What makes you think that? I know he has been aggressive with a couple of players during the tampering period, but none of them WR.
With the Cooper trade, I'd be surprised with any other major WR signings early on. Monday is when the big money is normally dished out. I can't see that being the WR spot for us.
In Berry’s two years with us he has focused his attention on two areas. The first year he focused on the offensive line and we signed Conklin. Last year the defensive backfield was the focus and we signed John Johnson and Troy Hill.
I would guess we end up signing a new guy for the slot at least on Monday.
My thinking is he has already addressed a big need in WR with Cooper. I also don't think a slot WR is an immediate need in FA from the jump and our focus in early negations with players/agents. That, and our current commitment to Njoku and Hooper.
Agreed.
Either way I would bet we sign some guys on one year deals as the off-season progresses.
Sign Braxton Berrios to play the slot. Young guy that keeps improving. Also, get a great kick returner in the process.
I'm trying to find it, but I read earlier today that the Browns have given Landry permission to seek a trade. But they left the door open for his return. Sounds like they are telling Jarvis to take less or find a trade you like.
Could be. Maybe we have floated some numbers as to where we would be willing to keep him. It still sounds like a final exit move, but you never know.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
By Terry Pluto, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – I’ve liked Amari Cooper dating back to the 2015 draft when he was the first-round pick of the Oakland (now Las Vegas) Raiders. The Browns didn’t have a chance to take the Alabama wide receiver, who was the No. 4 pick while the Browns selected Danny Shelton at No. 12.
Seven years later, Cooper is coming to Cleveland in what could be a terrific move for GM Andrew Berry and the franchise. The price? A fifth-rounder in 2022, along with the Browns and Dallas exchanging sixth-round picks.
A modest price for a guy who caught 68 passes last season, including eight for TDs. He’s made four Pro Bowls.
The 6-foot-1, 210-pound Cooper is only 27. He has missed a mere four games in his seven NFL seasons. With the expected loss of Jarvis Landry to salary cap concerns, Cooper becomes a younger and healthier alternative.
You can view the trade as Landry and the late-round draft picks for Cooper. If you’re the Browns, that’s impossible to resist. There also is a possibility Landry could rework his contract and stay with the Browns.
WHY SUCH A LOW PRICE TAG ON COOPER?
Dallas has a salary cap mess. Cooper has three more years annually at $20 million. That eliminated several teams from trade talk because the Cowboys didn’t want to take money back in the deal.
The good part for the Browns is none of the cash over the remaining three years is guaranteed, according to overthecap.com. In 2020, Cooper signed a 5-year, $100 million deal with Dallas. In typical NFL fashion, it really was only a 2-year, $40 million contract – the only guaranteed seasons.
So Cooper is playing on what is really a one-year, prove-it deal the next three seasons. This could be a major motivating factor.
I talked to an NFL executive who likes the trade for the Browns. It’s a significant upgrade, given the depleted state of Cleveland’s receivers. The executive called Cooper “good, but not great. And when you watch him play, you think the guy should be elite. He has that kind of ability.”
He said there are no problems with Cooper as a person, he just wishes Cooper was driven a little harder to become a great player.
That also could be why some teams backed off on him, given the $20 million price tag.
THE RIGHT MOVES
In his last three seasons with Dallas, Cooper averaged 79 receptions and seven TD catches per season. He dropped only 13 passes over those three years. I’ll take that production for the Browns, who had only seven TD catches from all of their receivers in 2021.
The executive also told me that Cooper has “excellent hands and is a very good route runner. Look, don’t misunderstand. The guy is good. I just wanted you to understand why the trade market was soft for him.”
I also love this move because it sets up the Browns to do something in the draft I prefer – grab a pass rusher in the first round. They need one desperately to help Myles Garrett. It’s doubtful Jadeveon Clowney will return as the defensive end is looking for a long-term deal.
Meanwhile, the Browns can add receivers lower in the draft.
The bottom line on Cooper? He’s in his prime. He’s durable. He is a respected receiver with elite physical ability. He is on a team-friendly contract because of the lack of guaranteed money.
To me, it’s more about his style of play. Does he freelance his routes like OBJ?
No, I don't think so. In fact, he allegedly is one of the better crip route runners.
Well, as long as he’s not a blood route runner I suppose.
lol bro why
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
question for the board. i love the trade, and he will admittedly be better than OBJ as far as not freelancing routes.
however, at least with the cowboys, Cooper had an issue with showing up on the road. is that more of him being in his head on the road, or was that more Dak and the cowboys offense?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
you think Landry would be willing to restructure more if we landed Watson?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
question for the board. i love the trade, and he will admittedly be better than OBJ as far as not freelancing routes.
however, at least with the cowboys, Cooper had an issue with showing up on the road. is that more of him being in his head on the road, or was that more Dak and the cowboys offense?
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Oof, that’s a tough question to answer. Could be any number of things, in any number of combinations. Hopefully, it was a scheme thing instead of a him thing.
you think Landry would be willing to restructure more if we landed Watson?
I heard somewhere that Landry was willing to renegotiate his contract. But in doing so he wanted to add years. But that the browns don't want to add years, and that that is the stalemate.
Caveat, I don't remember where I heard or read that so no idea on the validity to that statement
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question for the board. i love the trade, and he will admittedly be better than OBJ as far as not freelancing routes.
however, at least with the cowboys, Cooper had an issue with showing up on the road. is that more of him being in his head on the road, or was that more Dak and the cowboys offense?
Cooper's numbers are better when playing indoors on turf vs on the road.
We also should acknowledge how volatile Cooper has been in terms of splits indoors and outdoors over the course of his career. Cooper has been a sports car, operating at peak conditions on fast tracks and taking advantage of the comfortable confines in Dallas.
Cooper has 25 career 100-yard receiving games, with just nine coming on the road. Even while playing in a warm-weather climate with the Raiders, seven of Cooper’s 13 100-yard games with the team came on the road.
When looking at his road game hits over his entire career, two of those nine 100-yard games came in a dome. Of the remaining seven, all were played at 56 degrees or warmer. Cooper has played just 12 career games below 40 degrees, averaging 9.1 fantasy points per game in those games, catching 47-of-86 targets (54.6%) for 507 yards (10.8 yards per catch) with two touchdowns. Splits like these can have more than enough noise to them, but the discrepancy in Cooper’s results are extremely one-sided.
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Not only is Cooper trading comfortable surroundings from a top-down team level, he also is leaving attachment from the quarterback he has found his best sustained career output with. Tack on that Cooper is coming off his worst statistical season since leaving the Raiders during a strong Prescott season, it is hard to suggest he will find elevation through Baker Mayfield, should the Browns enter 2021 with him under center.
In 2021, Prescott ranked 10th in the NFL in on-target rate (77.9%) per Sports Info Solutions. Over the start of Mayfield’s career, he has ranked 22nd, 30th, 15th, and 38th in the same category. In 2021, Mayfield ranked 30th in the league in expected completion percentage (65.9%) while finishing 30th in completion rate below expectation (-2.7%).
Cooper will surely aid Mayfield improving in 2022 should the Browns not make splash addition under center, but we have a large sample of Mayfield finishing at league average and below in accuracy, while the underperformance of Odell Beckham in Cleveland paired with Jarvis Landry’s continued decline do not paint a strong narrative of anticipating this move being an overwhelming positive for Cooper posting a WR1 type of season despite the potential increase in target share.
So, am I supposed to be excited about this trade? I mean, I was excited when we traded for OBJ. A legit WR1 and all. And that turned out well.
I get that we did not give up anywhere near as much for Cooper. And its been said that he is a good route runner, and not a head case, etc. But, still, I am not so pumped up about this. Is that wrong?
But, still, I am not so pumped up about this. Is that wrong?
We got good value in the trade. We don't know how Cooper will perform. So no, you are not wrong. After the 2021 season we should be skeptical about a lot of things.
And when Baker is moved thats $19 Mil more to spend, I don't think we are done in FA ...
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
you think Landry would be willing to restructure more if we landed Watson?
I heard somewhere that Landry was willing to renegotiate his contract. But in doing so he wanted to add years. But that the browns don't want to add years, and that that is the stalemate.
Caveat, I don't remember where I heard or read that so no idea on the validity to that statement
You're correct...I recall reading the same off rotoworld/edge a few weeks ago too.
With Hill receiving a 3 year/$75 million deal from the Dolphins, Cooper is looking more and more like a real steal.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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