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My Top 5 +1

1. Garrett Wilson - OSU
2. Chris Olave - OSU
3. Drake London - USC
4. Jahan Dotson - PSU
5. Treylon Burks - ARKANSAS

Wild Card - David Bell - PURDUE

I'm a huge OSU football fan but I believe your WR rankings are more than just a little OSU centric.

I think you are 100% spot on with your 2nd round list.

I think in the first round - those DE's are going to be gone If not I would take any one of them. I think Devonte Wyatt should be one to add to the list - I think he might be more of a 3 down interior guy despite Jordan Davis's athleticism. And Devin Lloyd might be in play too. Pair him in the middle with JOK on the edge, that'd give us two absolute stud LB's.

The more I look at this draft - the more I hope we can trade back 4-8 spots in the first round - and back up into the mid/late part of the second round.

If we stick at 13 for WR - my preference would be Wilson, Williams, London, Olave, Burks.

Right now,

I would probably go

1a. Burks
1b. Wilson
2. Dotson
3. Olave
4. Williams

No more than any other, EXCEPT, we don't know which way to go. Solid arguments can be made to go in several different directions.

We don't have receivers or DT's. We have a QB situation up in the air. That create turmoil for us in trying to at least figure out if we are likely to go with O or if we go with the D?

My feeling is the D is nearly finished and why I would finish that and then go fix the O. My feeling is if Baker wasn't a question mark, draft a receiver #1, but as long as we are unsure at that position, I don't think a WR is going to change much on that side of the ball.

We also have to consider that possibly the offensive scheme just isn't set up for the vertical game. I am not saying that can't work or is bad. It just limits what wide out can do. If they are running a lot of decoy routes, how good do they need to be?

Depending on what happens in Free Agency to me our 1st pick has to either be a WR or a pass rusher. We currently don't have a go to guy at WR and from what I have read it doesn't sound like Clowney is coming back. The only exceptions I could see is if our top targets at those two positions are gone maybe we go OC Linderbaum or if he were to drop S Kyle Hamilton.

We agree quite a bit and disagree as well. I've never been one who would normally advocate drafting a WR in round 1. Especially in the first half of round 1. And I'm not dead set on it now. It seems Clowney will be departing and if so I could see DE added to the list of DT and WR. Of course that is based on where we stand at the moment without FA acquisitions.

Where we disagree may be where I think drafting a first round WR may be more important and not less at this point in time. The long term future of your team is dependent on your QB play to a very large extent. The fact that so many see Baker as a question mark is even more reason to me as a reason draft a high quality WR and that's even if we sign a good FA WR. As of now other than Landry I don't think we even have a #2 WR on this team. The direction we go at the QB position next season is by far the most critical decision this team will have made since Mayfield was drafted. And without giving him the weapons he needs to succeed we may or may not make the biggest mistake we have made for years going into the 2023 season.

So now Amari is a Brown I'd say DL in round 1.

If the top 5 DE are off the board by the time we draft and no interior DL are off the board, I'dove to see us pick up the DI we love the most. I think MG having someone explosive alongside him would make a dangerous pairing. Maybe more so than an elite DE opposite on the other side.

I'm just curious. Cooper has never had more than 8 td's in a single season. Don't get me wrong, he's no slouch but do you really think that is enough to rule out a WR in round one? As we've seen from Berry before, he addresses our weakest units by making multiple investments in both FA and the draft. I'm certainly not trying to say a WR in round 1 is a lock, but if the plan is to rebuild the WR unit, I certainly think there is a plan in place to invest in it heavily. I don't think a WR whose best years were 8 td's rule out a heavy investment in the draft.

8 is twice the number of TDs that anyone on our team caught last year. (Njoku led with 4) link


I don't think anything can be ruled out in the draft. I do think Berry would prefer to go in the direction of one of the good DEs at the top of the draft if one is available.

So you think a WR who has never caught more than 8td's in a season answers the #1 WR position?

2015 6td's.

2016 5td's.

2017 7td's.

2018 Cowboys/Raiders season 7 td's.

2019 8td's.

2020 5td's.

2021 8td's.

Four of those seasons he caught for over 1000 yards.

You might wish to take a look around the league and see if you actually don't believe we need one more big contribution at the WR position. Landry had 2td's last season. That gives us a net gain of 6td's. Not nearly as much as I would have thought if I hadn't looked at the numbers myself.

I certainly think availability will play into it. I don't think we would pass on a highly ranked DE if one is sitting on the board.

I really expect Berry to go DE/EDGE at #13 and WR in the 2nd Round now that we traded for Cooper ...

Right now, that seems most likely.

To add, I still want Drake London. A big rangy receiver who is an inviting target for Baker. And in three years when Cooper might start sliding past his prime, Drake will be just starting to hit his own prime.

But, I would be okay with a stud edge rusher at 13.

I was wrong. Free agency hasn’t even started yet.

If we do trade for Watson, we won't have a 1st rounder. If I had to guess, this year will cost a 1st, Baker and Hunt. Next year a 1st rounder. Maybe something like a 4th as well.

Honestly - what are Amari's PFF grades ? That would interest me FAR more than how many TD's he caught. Does KS plan in using AC playing to his strengths? Or will he end up being a square peg in a round hole?

OBJ was an abject failure as a Brown ... disregard the reason - he didn't work out here. He went to LA and caught 5 TDs in half a season. That tells me that fit is more important than anything. Just one perspective.

Having watched him play over the last few years because he has been on my fantasy team at least half the years he has been in the NFL ... the kid can play at a high level and is head and shoulders better than ANYTHING we had on the Browns last year.

I agree on fit. I am not sure any wide receivers are really a fit for this offense. At least fit for what some people would like to see.

I think it would be something pretty close to this. Nice work.

To me that's to much, I would rather just roll with Baker.

And be average.

PFF ranked a healthy Baker in 2020 the #8 QB in the league with 85.7 grade and Baker's rating for his 1st three years in the league are better than Watson's first three years. By the way we were 11-5 and won a playoff game in 2020 I think that's better than average.

That’s one way to put it.

I can see going DE with 13 but if none of the top 4 are there, Damn a WO like London ,Garrett or Olave would excite the fan base. Either way I will roll with Berry. Berry has turned out to be one of my favroite people. Next to TRUMP.

A part of me really hopes that we still draft a WR at 13 plus maybe 1 in the 3rd, , and just completely rebuild our WR corps in one season.

Problem being it's not that deep in pass rushers that grade so highly. At 13 it would be hard for me to rationalize a FO reaching based on position when the talent doesn't dictate the player is worthy of the pick.

Every now and then someone will post that graphic that shows Baker's 1st four years were better than Brady's first four years. So we have someone better than the GOAT. We can rest easy now.

But nobody said that.

Valid point, but the flip side to that is people will bust out the same types of stats to support why we should dump Baker for any other re-tread they find on the i terwebs, so it's really just a matter of balance.

The truth, as always, is in the middle. We have already seen how good Baker can be... and it is way more than good enough to win it all more than once. The only thing we haven't seen is whether he can be that consistently, year after year. Last year gets muddled by injuries and a WR corps that was vastly inferior to what we thought we had (and a number of other factors).

You never know Baker might end up being the GOAT. My point was that Baker has already proven to be a pretty good QB. Would I take Watson over Baker straight up, sure but I don't think the difference between the two is so great that we need to give up the farm when Baker has already showed he can get be a top 10 QB in this league.

Khalil Shakir from Boise St could be a good addition to our WR room in the mid rounds. Makes the tough catches over the middle. Great concentration. 4.4 speed. Seems to be a real team guy with great intangibles from interviews.