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Will DW face any additional suspension from the league? If the Browns acquire him in a trade, I am guessing Rodger will throw out a 10-12 game suspension 15 minutes after trade is finalized.....any other trade to otger teams and DW gets time served.

Yet Watson and Baker have the same amount of playoff wins in their career. one

As if that is a measure of anything other than the overall team’s success.

division titles:

Watson - 2
Mayfield - 0

Hmm, do we want a chip on his shoulder Baker in 2022, that half the NFL fandom thinks is inept? Or do we want a creepily scandalized top ten QB who last played in 2020, that may be suspended by the NFL, and still faces a ton of civil suits? I'll ride with 6.

i want the QB who doesn't require a make-believe chip on their shoulder in order to be a consistent winner.

I am seriously conflicted by this question because of Watson’s unique circumstances (ie he masturbated in front of people who did not want that to happen).

If Watson was clean off the field there would not be a question my mind who I would want.

2 of the women claimed forced oral sex. One of them (thru her boyfriend) contacted Watson and offered to keep quiet for 30k.

Yeah, nothing wrong with a little good old fashioned indecent exposure.

It appears you want that at any cost.

A measure of success I consider to be not selling your soul for wins at any cost. But that's just me. To do that I would have to try to rationalize that with my daughter. I'm amazed at the people who actually have daughters who would advocate such a thing.

This is what is going through my head:

Do I want the QB who I don’t think is very good and the team doesn’t have a chance to win a championship with or a top five QB in the league (who causes me to do mental gymnastics in order to accept the trade)? My heart is telling me I want Baker. I like him and want him to do well. I will definitely talk myself into him doing well at some point before the season. My head is telling me that I want my team to win at all costs.

I don’t know how to feel. My guess is that when there is more finality to the topic I will have a clearer head.

thats an interesting take. i wonder how you explained to your daughters how you're still a fan of the browns after signing Kareem hunt, who was on video beating a woman. somehow, that was fine, but a guy who just got cleared of criminal charges, no video evidence, and in a he said/she said situation is where you draw the line.


daughter: "omg did you see the video of hunt?
Pit: "yea it was bad. he got suspended and cut from a team for it, but everyone deserves a 2nd chance"

daughter: "omg, did you see watson get accused of sexual assault?"
Pit: "yea, it looks bad. but even though he isn't getting charged, and there is no hard evidence of him committing a crime, i cant possibly cheer for the browns anymore"

you're starting to sound like the dudes who swore up and down they werent gonna watch the NFL due to kneeling, as well as the dudes who claimed they werent gonna watch the browns anymore when the team knelt together.

and yet, you're still here. IF* we sign watson, guess where you'll be?

right here posting on the board.

No - how about adjusting what you are doing instead of advertising it and getting your QB killed week after week.

Some other factors you may wish to consider in this are issues that will be ongoing for a very long time with all of the civil suits involved. In a civil suit you don't have to reach the threshold of "beyond a reasonable doubt". The threshold is much lower. It's a "preponderance of the evidence", which means more likely than not. You will be having some of these suits being paid off with a confidentiality clause included. Most people consider that nothing more than paying for silence. There will be continual national media attention given to all of this. You will have a huge and strong division among the fan base. So the actual "finality to the topic" is a long way off. And if we trade for Watson, all of that will be laying squarely in the shoulders of the Browns decision. There's a much bigger picture to all of this. That's why I strongly suggest people look at this from a big picture.

At that point the question becomes how much is too much to pay for Watson with all of the baggage that's included?

These are all things I have been thinking about.

This is a sad thing to be trying to compare. Some people pay for their actions. Some do not. Hunt paid dearly for his actions. He admitted and apologized for his actions. It caused him to be out of the league due to his actions. When he did come back he made a fraction of what his value as player was because of his actions.

I also taught my daughter everyone is deserving of a second chance if they've paid for and apologized for their mistakes.

So you can save that crap for someone who is too stupid to know the difference.

In contrast, Watson hasn't paid any price for his actions. He was paid for 2021. As of yet he has not been suspended for any of his actions. He will be rewarded for his actions. He has not apologized for his actions.

I'm pretty sure that if your daughters don't see the difference right now, they soon will.

Good luck with that.

And you are right. I'll still be here. And I'll be talking about what scum bags our FO was for signing him. Talking about how we now have a scum bag as a QB. And laughing at all of you every time we see him have to settle and gets judgements against him in court. How you all sold your souls for the mess we are in. You're damned right I'll be here.

A better person or a better player? Or does the better person things hold no value?

In a massage parlor? Come on man, we all know what that usually means. Rub and tug. Unless it was supposed to be legit massages and not some shady “co-masturbation” joint. Still takes a certain type of character to even go into those places, the seedy joints

At this point, I don't care what the Browns do, but I will have a hard time rooting for Watson as our QB. I mean I want a Browns Super Bowl as much as anybody, but after waiting so long, I don't want it tainted in any way.

thats fine. but you'll still be here, cheering the team on.

No, that's not what it means. Unless of course that's what you're looking for. No reputable message therapist would endure such a thing.

I highly doubt it. I have a hard time supporting scum bags. After he's gone? Sure. I have a daughter.

Those without sin throw the first stone. You act like you are perfect and others who make mistakes should not ever be given second chances. Also, the court of law said no charges will be filed. How can we hold this man accountable when the court of law said they did not find enough evidence to charge. If a man is not guilty he is innocent until proven. Innocent until proven guilty is our law. Why should we hold him to a higher standard than everyone else?

You obviously haven't been following this thread have you? Once someone pays the price for their mistakes and takes responsibility for it, I think they do deserve a second chance.

I do not agree with rewarding them with a second chance before they do those things. Try to keep up next time.

And no, I have never made unwanted sexual advances, forced a woman to perform oral sex on me or had 1 woman, much less 22 accuse me of those things. Have you?

The bottom line is the courts did not find enough evidence to convict. DeShaun Watson is an innocent man. Thus he must be treated as so.

I mean that's a great take. I agree.

With that said - i think this is a go to line for nearly every Baker hater. It's all about the bottom line. How many wins. How many 4th Q come backs? Strapping the team on his back and doing it DESPITE the team .... I mean, they all forget how many times Baker took the lead in the last 6-7 minutes of a game only to see the other team crush the life out of our defense and waltz down the field and take the lead with too little time on the clock for a KS offense to respond.

Anyway - I digress.

The issue I have with the Watson's behavior is the calculated/serial/repetition of his actions. Maybe it's some of my exposure to corporate training/expectations - but one time, someone with "power" or "influence" - putting a female in pressurized/exploited situation is enough to get you fired. . . . repeating this 22+ times is just flat wrong. Didn't some of the accusers say they ended up having some form of sex with him? Does anyone think that this 22 is the ONLY ones he's ever done this too?

Get a grip people - just coz he's an elite athlete ... IT IS NOT OK.

What Hunt did was wrong. No doubt. It was terrible. It was an isolated one time thing and he paid a huge price for it. There's no-one down playing how wrong it was. But if we have to judge, and without any excuse for Hunt - a one time incident with a female who was chasing him and harassing him DOES NOT COMPARE to a minimum of 22 females being subjected to sexual exploitation.

Who knows how this will end up - but I do not want him on the Browns. That's my perspective and clearly others too..... I don't understand why posters want to insinuate that's a bad take or hypocritical. jmo.

the courts did not find enough evidence to convict. Why do we think we have a moral high ground to the law?

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/adam-schefter-deshaun-watson-tweet-truth.html
You don’t have to be a lawyer to understand that a grand jury’s decision not to indict a defendant doesn’t necessarily mean they think that person is innocent. It means that at least a number of people on the jury do not feel there is enough probable cause to move forward with a trial. Unlike a trial jury, a grand jury is not here to determine guilt or innocence.

next up civil lawsuits.

this is far from over.

Let me know how all of that works out after all the civil trials have been conducted. So you're telling me that if you were doing the hiring you would consider an applicant with 22 sexual assault civil cases hanging over his head the same as an applicant who didn't? I didn't think so.

The law doesn't state you should ignore 22 women that have civil suits pending for sexual misconduct. Have you been accused of sexual misconduct by anyone? Saying that's wrong doesn't have anything to do with some moral high ground. It's about actions of a normal human being and having an once of human decency. Those aren't the same thing.

If he can take us to the Super Bowl then I think he's innocent. But its good to know we have Pit, aguy that knows everything about everything to lead us down the path to perfect virtue.

Did Robert Kraft end up getting any NFL punishment for his massage parlor escapades? I'm guessing if Watson gets suspended, he would appeal and point to that as precedent. I'm not sure the NFL would want to re-open up that can of worms. Drop the hammer on the young black man while sweeping the rich white man's indiscretions under the rug? PR nightmare especially while already dealing with the race of HCs/GMs situation.

I'm guessing his punishment, if any, will be minimal unless something new comes up in the civil cases.

All there appears to be is hearsay. There's no smoking gun/incriminating (if not conclusive) video evidence, as there were in the other frequently referenced cases. I haven't heard of any forensic evidence linking Watson to a crime.

Roethlisberger admitted to "making mistakes." Watson has maintained his innocence.

Thanks for proving my point that some people would sell their soul for a SB ring. Even if they aren't sure getting a scum bag QB would do that. It explains a lot about you.

It's illegal to videotape people in a message parlor. Sets up the perfect scenario for a pervert.

I thought he found the women on IG, they agreed to fly in, and they massaged him at his home?

Paying a prostitute for sex is not what Watson is accused of. Again - 100% false equivalence. Just because they are sleazy doesn't mean they are equal or similar.